A Fair and Balanced™©® Look at Vaping – SOME MORE NEWS

A Fair and Balanced™©® Look at Vaping – SOME MORE NEWS

(dramatic music) – This just news in. Here, is that news. Some of it. This is some news, more of it. People are awfully concerned about vaping, a thing that, much like
the new Joker movie, is mostly enjoyed by
insufferable young men, is vaguely but probably not harmful, and just exhausting to talk about. Like, even the word itself,
with all them V’s and P’s, makes it physically taxing to say. Vape. I hate it. According to the CDC, as of
the taping of this episode there has been a recent
outbreak of vaping-related pulmonary illness including over 1,000 mostly-young victims and nearly 20 deaths. And what seems to make that even scarier is that no one can definitively
say why that’s happening. A lot of these deaths
or medical emergencies are being linked to THC
products from the black market, while other studies are pointing out that perhaps inhaling oil is not great, and here’s another investigation
linking it with Vitamin E? But even before this specific
scare, this hip new way to inhale things not normally
inhaled has been the subject of much debate over its
attractiveness to teens, possible health effects,
and future in America. Should we ban vaping? Or should we celebrate it as a safer alternative to cigarettes? Is it even helping people quit? It is, objectively, a safer,
futuristic way to inhale drugs. And that’s like, some kind of Star Trek. The Final Blunteer. (dramatic music) And heck, roughly the
same amount of people have been killed by falling
coconuts as e-cigarettes, but the difference is that we at least know why that happens. We’re seeing the plane
crash effect where the death is so dramatic and horrific that we don’t care how
statistically probable it is. After all, even if you
don’t vape yourself, you probably know someone who does. Perhaps a sibling or friend or a son that you only remember
is biologically yours until halfway through a
sentence describing him. – And I’m hearing it and that’s how the
first lady got involved. She’s got a son, together,
that is a beautiful young man and she feels very,
very strongly about it. – Mmmm. Every word from that man is a gift. Except all the racist and sexist stuff and publicly threatening for a civil war when he gets caught for doing crimes. But all those other words,
mmm, golden treasure. A little more? – Especially vaping as it
pertains to innocent children. They’re coming home and they’re
saying, “Mom I wanna vape!” – Mm, yum. One more time. – “Mom I wanna vape.” – Mm, yum. Anyway, so is our vaping
fear merely a reactionary media panic over something
new and confusing and we’re pretty (beep) hypocritical about what we decide is and isn’t harmful? Probably, yes. But to be balanced, and
fair, but mostly balanced, but also fair again in
order to balance things out, which I guess would add an
extra balance and make me more balanced than fair and
therefore not as balanced as I hoped and I apologize. But to be all of that, I want
to take a moment to point out that while vaping is a far
better alternative to smoking, it’s not really being used to quit and in most cases just
replaces one addiction with another, albeit a healthier one. But it’s still an addiction. It’s still paying a company
lots of money for a dependence. And if you’re using nicotine e-cigarettes, that can actually get you
more hooked to the substance because of how easy it is to do. There are now people talking
about how they had to switch back to cigarettes to
ease their addiction. So no, it’s not a great
way to quit smoking, and has actually reversed
a lot of progress in getting teenagers to quit a dependence. According to the American
Lung Association, the best association to get
all your sweet lung facts, tobacco use amongst
teens peaked in the 90s with 36.4% of students
admitting to smoking cigarettes. As we tightened
restrictions over the years, that number went down to 9.3% in 2015. But don’t worry,
people-who-like-it-when-teens-inhale-stuff not-normally-inhaled,
because at the same time the use of e-cigarettes went
up, and according to multiple studies is currently at around
37.3% for teens who vape. You might recognize how those
two numbers are very similar, and in fact the current one
is the highest of the two. But to be clear, that’s
still healthier than smoking and not all vaping includes nicotine. But even if you’re not vaping nicotine, you’re still putting
something in an orifice that has no business
being in that orifice. And, as evidenced by the recent
epidemic, every time humans stick something new in
one of their orifices, there’s going to be a
chance your body won’t enjoy having that thing inside of
it and it will try to die. But again, better than smoking. But also, not good for you,
even without the nicotine. Like, if everyone stopped
drinking alcohol and instead had big parties where they
binged on gallons of maple syrup, that would be technically better, sure. But also, bad. Goodish and bad. Like a word between those two words. Bood, perhaps. We’ve created a device that
allows you to inhale any liquid you want smoke-free, potentially
creating an alternative to a much deadlier product. But we also didn’t regulate that device. Additionally we also created teenagers, a type of people who,
if they’re cool enough, are willing to inhale just about anything. Assuming they’re cool and not babies. There’s entire subreddits
devoted to DIY vaping, and here are some videos of
young folks inhaling everything from ketchup to hot sauce
to (beep) hand sanitizer. Here’s a forum with some kid
asking if they could vape soda and energy drinks,
the answer obviously being: yes, if you’re cool enough. Like, that kind of cool
misuse is obviously bad. But since we’re still trying
to figure out just how bad the commercial e-liquids
are, and why they’re bad, it’s become a tad complicated situation. Especially since we blew
the first couple decades of e-cigarette existence
completely ignoring the possibility of health consequences and in fact helped tobacco
companies profit from them. (dramatic music) Hey, did you hear about that time the FDA tried to ban kid-friendly
vaping flavors back in 2015? It was a proposal backed
by countless scientists and health experts pointing
out that vaping companies were using the same flavor ingredients in their nicotine products
as popular candies, and were clearly designed
to attract children. Then a bunch of Obama
administration officials met with tobacco lobbyists for 50 days, having a series of meetings
aimed at debunking the FDA rule. Altria Group, a company
heavily invested in Juul that was formally known
as Philip (beep) Morris, sent four representatives to help push an industry friendly
version of the legislation. When the FDA rule was eventually
passed, it had completely excluded any kind of
flavoring ban and wiped out 15 pages of evidence supporting the link between flavors and youth smoking. This is according to the LA
Times, who recently went through the early drafts of the FDA’s
rule as well as meeting logs detailing the insane and effective effort from tobacco companies to
influence the then-current administration to completely
sell out high school kids in order to protect an industry that’s literally manufacturing addiction. Thanks Obama! I’m not even sarcastically
being sarcastic. I’m legitimately non-sarcastically saying that sarcastic thing
people say thanking Obama when they really don’t like Obama because he really (beep) up there. That (beep) is a scandal and it doesn’t even involve
bombing a civilian wedding. Anyway, so now that’s
where we are, and instead of figuring out the nuance of
this issue we’re eyeballing the possibility of
banning vaping altogether. Like if you ignored your
car’s check engine light for 10 years before just
pushing it into a quarry, which of course is the
proper way to dispose of cars and appliances and chemicals and stuff. And as the panic ramps, people
are just gonna get dumber about finding solutions,
such as this high school that removed its bathroom
stall doors to combat vaping, which is silly, because
high school teens need bathroom doors more than anyone, you know, to hide from the shooters. Anyway, Mr. President,
any comment about how kids are getting shot all the time? – Vaping has become a very big
business as I understand it, like a giant business in a
very short period of time. But we can’t allow people to get sick and we can’t have our
youth be so affected. – Sure, whatever. I hate all of this. But also, he’s not wrong. We shouldn’t have our youth get affected by large companies profiting
off their sickness. No, not that youth, the other ones, with the mostly white faces. But seriously, if Trump manages to ban flavored nicotine e-cigarettes despite overwhelming industry
influence then he will have actually done
something better than Obama. And perhaps we should, for
the sake of a greater good, point that out to him a bunch. So that’s the plan. Get Trump to ban flavored
vaping, then like, I dunno, impeach him for the other stuff. Then we can dust off our
hands, turn off the internet, and enjoy a cushy Mike Pence presidency. Everything solved. Only, for the sake of
argument, let’s say that none of what I just said was good or true. I mean, yes, I believe
I’ve stressed that vaping isn’t healthy and should
ideally exist in a world where it’s used to curb the
habits of cigarette smokers. And failing that, at least not be made to appeal to teenagers. This is all true. But also true is that, since
vaping didn’t immediately fall under any specific regulatory category, the government spent nearly two decades just completely ignoring the
dangers, and in that time created a situation where
countless small businesses could be formed solely around vaping. Businesses often run by lower class folks living out exactly what the American dream and capitalism is supposed to be. And now that states are issuing
sweeping bans, those small businesses are going to
no longer have a product. Many of these businesses
are currently speaking up, even suing states over this. But none of that will matter,
because unlike gun violence and healthcare reform, vaping is something that actually affects
the people in charge. We must save Baron, you guys. You can already see
the dark irony forming. Because if we get a sweeping
ban of flavored e-cigarettes, the only businesses that would
survive are big vaping brands like Blu or Vuse or Juul, all of which are owned by
large tobacco companies. The same companies that
e-cigarettes are supposed to combat. The same companies that have
literally tried to fight against vaping to protect
their bigger product. In what is the hilarious
reality of capitalism, these large companies came in to lobby against a flavor ban long
enough to hook high schoolers, and then will have their
competition wiped out when that ban finally goes into effect. Another much-needed win for
gold-plated taints everywhere! Good job! Oh, fun bit of information: tobacco companies are doing great! When the government created
a bunch of regulations and they got sued and all that, they just raised their
prices and conducted a series of giant
mergers to counteract it. It’s a real rags to
riches to getting richer and staying rich and then
killing a bunch of people to getting sued and then
back to riches story. Two of those companies,
Reynolds American and Lorillard, recently merged into a super
company despite the fact that they were already once
part of a single company that our government forced
to break up back in 1911. Capitalism is just… aces. Thumbs up! So (beep) it, where do we go from here? On one hand, we’re selling
a product that is dangerous. But on the other hand, we
don’t know how dangerous it is, and banning it would destroy
thousands of businesses and hand more power to
the already powerful. It’s almost as if there needs
to be like, a third option. Like if banning vaping
was the color black, and not banning vaping
was the color white, there should be like, an area
between those two colors. Like a bl, bwhite, or whack. Because it’s not like
e-cigarettes are the only harmful product we allow to be
sold in the country. We have the right, as
consenting adults, to consume something that kills us
a little bit in exchange for a brief moment of shade from the blinding light that is reality. Most everyone has an addition. I’m on PCP right now, and
you don’t see the government cracking down on… Really? When did that? I’m not on PCP and never
have done PCP before and don’t do PCP now
and won’t do PCP later. (upbeat music) So what’s a better solution? I mean, we could maybe try doing better with the regulations we
already have, for starters. Because at the moment we’re
absolutely not doing that. Last year when “The Atlanta
Journal-Constitution” tried to figure out how many
inspections of vape shops were happening in Georgia, they were told by the Department of Revenue
to ask the FDA who told them to ask the state department
of public health, who told them to ask the
Department of Revenue again. They also found that, thanks
to the weird confusion and lack of enforcement,
most teens in that state could easily buy e-cigarettes
despite being underage. And that makes sense. If you don’t enforce the laws, then yeah, the laws won’t work. In case you need more proof of
this glaringly obvious fact, here’s a study in the journal
Pediatrics that also found teen vaping was a third more likely in areas where vaping laws were more lax. Because uhhh, no poop. Also in the yeah no
poop, ya dopes category is the fact that many
of the e-juice flavors currently approved by the FDA
have only been technically cleared for ingestion and not inhalation. You know, because if you can
put something in one of your organs, you can definitely
put it in all of your organs. That’s just biology. Oh and here’s a study in the journal “Environmental Health Perspectives”
that points out the vape pens themselves could possibly
be releasing metal into you. Into your body. Specifically the part of
your body that gives you air. But hey, we probably don’t
have to look into that. (dramatic music) So it might be a good idea to,
before issuing a complete ban on something that isn’t
nearly as dangerous as guns or actual cigarettes, just try to enforce the laws better first? Maybe punch up those shoddy regulations? And do a few more studies to figure out how we can avoid inhaling metal? Do more crackdowns on
shady vaping manufacturers and make sure the retailers are complying with the regulations. I dunno, maybe that’s just crazy PCP talk. Talk, it’s just talk. Why would I? Why would I say PCP? I didn’t mean. I didn’t mean whatever it is I said. It just makes you appreciate
the marijuana industry for really having to walk that line, something the vaping industry
may or may not be able to do. There’s a fear that
legalized weed and regulation would create a similar
situation where big tobacco would overtake the
product and we would kill everything that makes weed awesome. And while that will happen to an extent, luckily the direction
the industry is going in more closely resembles craft
beer, where thanks to the laws being different in each state,
different marijuana strains are enjoyed as a regional product that encourages a lot of
locally owned businesses. Weed and vaping, while very
different in some ways, share a symbiotic relationship. A lot of people vape THC, not to mention that the demonization of
vaping and vaping as it relates to small businesses and the
working class is similar to what happened when weed
was first criminalized. Ironically, starting in California, a state that is 80% weed now. And the weed industry knows
this, and is currently asking that we open up
legalizations on both weed and vaping as a way to better
regulate both of those things. Which is probably the smarter route. Because again, we’re at a crossroads here. We can accept that vaping isn’t healthy, stop pretending it’s a magic
alternative to smoking, but also keep it available, in variety, and highly regulated. Perhaps we can allow flavored vaping only when there’s no
nicotine and closer scrutiny over the ingredients,
completely stop online sales, and hold businesses more accountable for selling to underage kids. Or, we can ban everything
that isn’t available behind the counter of a 7-Eleven,
snuff out the vaping industry, and hand e-cigarettes over to
the major tobacco corporations who can make money off of pretending there’s a healthy
alternative to cigarettes. It’s just so arbitrary, you know? The things we choose to ban
versus the drugs we approve and the terrible food we allow. And it’s all just tied to the status quo. Nobody panics when things
go according to plan, even if the plan is horrifying. Like if I said that a
truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody
panics when they blow up, because it’s all part of the plan. But when I say that, like,
one little old sick Baron will get sick, well, then
everyone loses their minds! Great quote, by me. The Cody. (dramatic music) Somebody stop me, I’m the Joker. It’s my favorite quote from the new film. Thanks for watching the video. Like and subscribe, the YouTube stuff. Check out our Patreon.com/SomeMoreNews if you want to support us. And we got a TeePublic if you like merch. And we got a podcast and
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100 thoughts on “A Fair and Balanced™©® Look at Vaping – SOME MORE NEWS

  1. What's my drug of choice? Caffeine. Caffeine is my drug of choice. My addiction. Yes. Black. Bitter. Dark and Hot. Caffeine.

  2. How to solve teen vaping: 1. No sales at gas stations or general-type stores (FDA found they mostly buy there). Only sales at registered vape-specific shops that verify age on entry. This works for liquor stores, bars, strip clubs, etc.
    2. Have a similar registry for online retailers, where each one must PROVE they accurately determine age before they're allowed to sell. It's entirely possible and the reputable sites already do it.
    3. Severely punish any business or person selling to/buying for a minor. They're no better than someone selling drugs to kids… Because that's what they're doing. Massive fines, loss of business licenses, prison time.

    How to solve this lung illness epidemic: 1. Legalize and regulate cannabis uniformly on a national level to push out the illegal thc carts causing this fiasco.
    2. There is no step 2.

  3. As an asthmatic who dies a little every time I’m around cigarette smokers, I appreciate being able to be around my smoking friends who vape now

  4. My throat closed up twice using 2 different legit THC carts, I was alone on my floor and almost passed out (I quit after the second time).
    A few weeks later, a 17 y/o boy in my small town has gone into a coma from using a flavored one.
    I never used flavors because the idea scared me, I said I'd never vape at all, but I have extreme anxiety and other disorders/illnesses and could not cope without THC those months. I regret it more every day. I heard on the news the other night, some have gotten chemical burns inside their lungs akin to to chemical warfare.
    It took weeks for my throat to feel "normali-sh" and now I get to go in and see what other health problem I have potentially given myself.
    I support marijuana legalization for meds and rec, but I don't think vaporizing will ever be safe.

  5. somehow, vaping is extra dangerous on US soil exclusively.. clean fucking air man.. can't inhale anything there that has an aroma, food items especially.. lungs will collapse..

  6. Not a fan of vaping, definitely better health standards should be adopted by the law, but the one thing I feel even more strongly about is that corporate power should be prevented from concentration and broken up. Bring back the antitrust movement, crack apart the cigarette companies.

  7. All I can think about is the video of someone having their jaw removed because of chewing tobacco.

    I’m glad I went to school in the 90s early 2000s:
    •When school buses didn’t have seat belts.
    •When kids could sit in the front seat without a car seat because we didn’t have car seats for kids.
    •When candy cigarettes were sold to children.
    •When the police came to the school to check lockers for drugs.
    •The DARE program that basically told kids to say no to drugs.
    •when there was no baby or child proofing at home or anywhere.
    •when TVs and desk top computers were so heavy u needed two people to carry them.
    •no one checked Halloween candy for foreign objects
    •when someone could come to a school to show kids diseased organs.
    •when no one cared about putting healthy food or drinks in vending machines.
    •when kids could play with BB guns unsupervised
    •when kids could stay at home alone
    •when kids could play outside without supervision.

    Back in Victorian times:
    •green wall paper was made with arsenic
    •Kids toys painted white contained lead.
    •Baby bottles were breading grounds for bacteria.
    •Woman wore corsets so tight their organs shifted in their bodies, the had difficulty breathing to the point of fainting which is why they had fainting couches.
    •Stoves blew up.
    •People could work in arsenic mines.
    The Victorian home was a death trap and continue to be until they are updated to meet modern standards. Modern standards that can be just as deadly as they were back then.

    The Good old days
    •Imagine children’s night shirts catching on fire because they were made of highly flammable material.
    •imagine siting on highly flammable chairs
    •imagine being crushed to death by a poorly maintained/constructed chimney.
    •imagine drowning because the many layers of clothes you wore were heavy with water.
    •when people could smoke unfiltered cigarettes
    •when people could smoke where ever they wanted
    •when people threw their waste products onto the streets
    •imagine houses built so close together that if one house was on fire all the houses would catch on fire. Unfortunately there was no fire department to put out the fire.
    •when Baths and showers and toilets were not yet invented.
    •imagine living in a world that is slowly killing you and yet it will take many years before someone does something about it. Or maybe no one will do anything about it because they are making so much money off your misfortune until the misfortune falls upon them in which case it will be a huge deal.

    Living life in any time period was and is dangerous, so why would the time period we live in be any different? Humans have been inventing death traps since humans started inventing things and nothing anyone does or says will change that.

  8. I would have liked it had you reached the point much sooner and with fewer labored gags. Not your best video, Cody. Here are a few items arranged in a convenient ordered list:

    1. The TOBACCO industry has been sponsoring anti-vaping "studies" in a round-about scheme to demonize vaping. Banning legitimate vaping will affect millions of former smokers, and cause a sharp increase in deaths from smoking related diseases over the next few decades. That curve should be trending down, like DUIs because of rideshare.

    2. This will shock you, but adults actually like things that taste good! Let that sink in for a minute. Banning flavors simply makes vaping unappealing… full stop. Try making all of your craft beer with 1% alcohol and see how many people flock to your brewery. Try serving plain mashed potatoes as the only dish on the menu and see how many anyones line up for reservations.

    3. IN ORDER TO QUIT SMOKING WITH VAPING YOU NEED AT LEAST 18MG OF NICOTINE IN YOUR VAPE JUICE. The industry has settled on 0MG, 3MG, and 6MG with Juul at 5MG. If you try to quit with a Juul or other pre-filled pod system, you WILL keep smoking. You simply aren't getting enough nicotine.

    4. The vaping industry has been asking for regulation for years.

  9. Just wanted to point out that the last two or three cigarette packs I opened had a coupon for 10$ off a Juul starter kit. At first I was like, why would they want me to switch to that? But now it makes sense.

  10. What the heck was that joker jab at the beginning? It's being petty universally acclaimed and speaks against the wealthy and abusive in society more than anything else. The memes leading up to it aren't the movie my guy

  11. I just cant believe the youth are this stupid; but then again, it's 2019 and I still see people smoking so. . . we need to fix the education system. If you vape, you are a total loser, it does not make you look 'cool' it makes you a pathetic loser.

  12. Also I want to add that I've had boomers tell me it's good to ban because you can't smell vaping like you can cigarettes so you can't catch and stop them

    And good to see you going further down the socialist path lmao. Don't forget that the workers need to be armed, gun violence is a mental and societal issue

  13. "we have the right as consenting adults to consume something that provides some shade to the blinding light that is reality" hahahahahahahahaha – love it

  14. Get one of those air quality testers. Test the outside air. Then, test cigarette smoke. Then test marijuana smoke. Then test vaping. Nicotine or marijuana vaping liquid should be similar.

    Post the results here.

    I bet the Bud is the “safest”. No additives. Just pure green goodness.

  15. Odd, I’ve vapes for 9 years and had no problems. Never heard of a problem with kids vaping until Juul came out. It has a high level ofnicotine.

  16. still dont understand why we havent banned tobacco. we know its harmful no matter how much you use it in moderation

  17. vaping did help me quit cigarettes. I think a lot of people who try to use it to quit keep vaping indefinitely, but if you go in with a plan and want to outright quit, I think it's a good method.

  18. pretty sure it's completely blown out of proportion by tobacco companies…why else would only tobacco and menthol flavors remain….oh yeah, when all vaping is banned those who have been using tobacco and menthol flavor will switch to cigarettes.

  19. Did I miss the line when Cody mentioned the 480,000 USA deaths per year caused by smoking cigarettes? *CDC Google it. 😢

  20. Holy shit… t rump forgot that his own kid was his own kid.. or maybe he s revealing something.
    Whatever. Hes a fucking joke.

  21. In addition to buffering many of the comments debunking some of the talking points in the comments, I also wanna mention that the whole conversation around flavors is weird and dumb. Last time I checked adults like fruity, sweet, and candy flavors too. And weirdly nobody seems to take issue with flavored alcohol, a product which is objectively worse for your health than vaping. This whole conversation is dumb. This was a pretty well researched and nuanced video but it still had some issues. I'm not saying vaping is harmless but let people enjoy their goddamn vices. I'm tired of the nanny state on this stuff, especially a hypocritical one who engages in selective enforcement

  22. noone panics when people say soldiers are gonna be blown up because they're soldiers and going to war is their job

  23. Yeah, E-Cigarettes is still smoking…
    It will still kill your lungs in about 30 years time, while driving your family bankrupt and enriching tobacco companies.
    Banning vaping in schools is a no f*ckin' brainer, but americans got no brain, so whatever…

  24. "Pointing out that vaping companies were using the same flavour ingredients in their nicotine products as popular candies, and were clearly designed to attract children"

    This logic follows only if you also believe that:

    1) Adults don't eat candy.

    2) Anything intended for adults should taste horrible.

    I don't want kids smoking or vaping, and I don't want tobacco products to be designed or marketed specifically with kids in mind, BUT fuck you very much if you think that this also means that an adult shouldn't be able to enjoy a grape-flavoured cigar, which is the outcome of this thinking. And I'm not being hyperbolic, here in Canada WHERE WEED IS LEGAL I can't buy a grape-flavoured cigar anymore. You can't even buy menthol cigarettes anymore. It's fucking ridiculous.

  25. The main problem I have with it is the advertising / propaganda being spread by these companies. They're clearly targeting kids and people who think vaping is like quitting cigarettes. It's definitely an upgrade over cigarettes, particularly when it comes to second hand smoke, but let's make sure people understand the risks involved, like we do with everything else.

  26. Q: Why is no one discussing what Putin has to gain by the US pulling out of Syria?
    Great show, Cody. The new podcast is also nice, though I prefer Some More News. Keep up the great work!

  27. So because some people misuse the object, it should be banned.
    I sure hope that gun enthusiasts don't trot out that particular argument.

  28. "he might have done something better than obama." everything he does is better than obama….u leftists really dont know about minority unemployments rate all time low…..prison reform….trump did this. what did obama do? he like interviewed that one musim kid with a clcok bobm or something….i cant imagine being at ur iq's and watching this show

  29. It is from people using home made cartridges, so it would be kinda like a guy who died from drinking Vodka he made in his bathtub.

  30. I saw this coming for a decade now. It could be pretty safe with good regulation. Now we are going to the other extreme

  31. A few weeks back I was critical of a video you released, and outlined what makes Some More News great. I now would like to claim 50% credit for this excellent episode. Great stuff.

  32. While we're all here, would like to just take the opportunity to remind the internet of my PETA-shut-down-Cracked theory. Katy's anti-PETA videos were brilliant, they went up, and back down, and back up, and then Cracked went down. Anywhoo, glad to see Cody still making stuff, have a like.

  33. Making juul pod only available at smoke shops is the cure ya dummy!!!!! Duhhhhbbb??! The whole outrage if fucking retarded.

  34. Can we get a "Fair and Balanced" look at how American companies are trying to undermine American Democracy to curry favor with China? That would be… great; and not depressing at all.

  35. The "getting more hooked by vaping" is BS… By itself, nicotine isn't all that addictive, it's other additives that they put in cigarettes (which aren't in e-liquid). Anecdotes don't prove anything, peer-reviewed studies do:

  36. As an adult, I also like tasting things that taste good. 😒 I’ve vaped a solid five times in my life, but the idea of banning flavored vaping annoys me so much I didn’t watch this video for a solid week.

  37. You can't just blame the problem on "capitalism." Lobbying corporations is part of a problem called "monopolies." You know? Kind of like fun game we used to play as a kid and find out how cruel the corporate world is, and where adults get into brawls.

  38. I know at least ten people who have gone from a chronic cough, smelling like cigarettes and having asthma to just blowing berry-scented vapor at others in an irritating manner, so I'm willing to call the thing a net positive. The nicotine racket is kind of not going anywhere, so… Better the devil that's less likely to cause throat cancer, I guess.

  39. Counterpoint: I'm an adult, and I would like to continue vaping nicotine in flavors. I prefer it to smoking, and while its not healthier than doing nothing it tastes better than my cigarettes did, and I feel far better than I did when I smoked them. Could I just NOT inhale drugs? Well yeah. I could also stop drinking beer, eating steak, and drinking coffee.

    But I'm not prepared to do that because I like drugs. Adults, overwhelmingly, like drugs. We like drugs SO MUCH we write entire magazines about them and invest tons of pretentious effort in to analyzing the miniscule and ridiculous differences between wines and craft beers and coffee.

    Saying 'we need to ban flavors because of teh children' is equivalent to saying 'We need to ban maragaritas because of teh children'

    Things that taste good are not the sole provenance of children. Being an adult doesn't mean subsisting on a diet of boiled goose and plain toast.

    If you do this, you're simply going to create a splinter and possibly grey market for "Flavor additives" or "nictoine additives" that will result in less regulation and more risk. The market, like alcohol before prohibition, is fixed. The consumers of these products, overwhelmingly, consider flavor options as a core part of the product. Look around anywhere where this stuff is sold. Specifically vape shops with strict ID requirements that ONLY sell to adults.

    The overwhelming majority of sold product is flavored nictone.

    While its easy to look in from the outside and say "AH HA! THINK OF THE CHILDREN" that fucking ship has passed. You're looking at an established 20 year old industry now that overwhelmingly serves adults drugs that taste like candy. That's no more inherently targeted at children than hard lemonade or zima or flavored vodka mixers.

    Should we regulate it better? Absolutely. Stuff like we did with cigarettes and should do with alcohol. Ban advertisments outside the point of sale. Enact strict penalties for underage sale or unlicesenced transfer to minors.

    If you're going to tell me my options are either not taking drugs or taking drugs that taste bad. That is logic that one would not apply to established drug industries like alcohol or caffeine and there is no logical standing for applying it to this not-new nicotine market either.

    I'm an adult and I reserve the right to enjoy killing myself a little bit at a time because it feels and tastes good now, like countless generations of adults throughout history.

  40. Vape fluid doesn't have oil in it. Propylene glycol, glycerin, nicotine, and flavoring is all that's in what I use. It was bootleg fluid, mainly the kind with CBD or THC in it, causing the issues. Also, it was (in some cases) vitamin E acetate, not vitamin E, that was being used as a thinner in said bootleg fluid, which isn't something people should be inhaling. Plain vitamin E wouldn't have been even half as toxic.

  41. I quit cigs 4.5 yrs ago and switched to vaping. At that time I had been having serious COPD symptoms for 5+ years, was coming down with 5+ cases of bronchitis a year, which turned into pneumonia at least 2 times a year, and I has severe asthma. Less than a year after the switch, the COPD symptoms were barely noticeable, I'd lost my smoker's cough, I don't need an inhaler to control my asthma, and I've only had one case of bronchitis and no cases of pneumonia since then. Vaping literally saved my life. Banning it is only going to make a lot of people switch back to cigs and then start getting sick AF again.

  42. In NC vape stores require ID proving you're 18 to even be allowed in the store, and the legit online vape suppliers also require proof someone is 18 to purchase from them. Just sayin'.

  43. If birthday cake flavored vodka isn't something people want to ban because kids might like it, why the heck is b'day cake flavored vape fluid??!!

  44. Nearly a half million people in the U.S. die every year from tobacco-related illness. That's about 1300 people every…single…f*cking…day. Also, the very few deaths attributable to vaping are now being linked to black-market produced THC vape oil.

  45. Its also possible to vape vodka and get instantly drunk. Grab empty coke bottle, put 20ml vodka in then seal with cork attached to foot pump. Pump until cork blows, the decompression means vodka vape. Enjoy!

  46. Vaping for sure helped me quit smoking. When I run out of juice I don't freak out and need to get more, if my batteries die it's no big deal, or if I forget it when I leave the house for work u don't mind and deal with it. Its nice to know I'm not connected to it like I was with cigarettes.

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