Caprece Jackson Takes Off Her Wig and Takes on Racism

Caprece Jackson Takes Off Her Wig and Takes on Racism

– It requires courage,
you have to be fearless. – To do what? – To be you. – To go against the
odds and to accept this camouflage, this wolf
ticket that we are not enough we are more than enough. And all we have to
do to claim that is claim ourselves, claim
our be-ness and just be. – Take off your hat – Yes. – Can you talk a
little bit about what you think your
style says about you? – My style is my armor. You know I’m a hair hopper. What’s that? A hair hopper is
somebody who hops like I may have
green hair one day, yellow hair the next
day, orange hair. And even like I went into
the bank a couple months ago and the bank didn’t
know me, he was like can I see you ID? I was like can you see my ID? Then I took off my sunglasses
I said it’s me, Caprece. But when I go in there
with my safe little pixie, doors open, that’s the
power of the armor, that’s the power of the helmet. – So as an example
like why today did you choose this hair, why? – Two reasons. – Number one being inspired
by the 60 plus movement I just, I only want
to wear white hair now I just only want
to be silver fox. Number two, it’s so safe
I can get in the door the powers at be, they
can see themselves when they look at me,
they see themselves, I’m – What do you mean? – palatable. Everyday I leave my door I know that I’m going on
the front line. So when I want to maximize
a positive response or a positive reaction
I do what’s necessary. – You see it as kind
of playing a game at like sort of resistance?
– Not a game. If you’re going to say
a game, I’m a say a war. A war against the
aesthetic of brown people. I got to get in the door, I
want to go open the darn door when I knock on it,
I want to get in. There’re not enough
portals I want to be one who helps to create. I’m an elder, God has blessed
me to reach the age of 64. This is it, these
are my legacy years. The system is set until
they just chip away at your self-esteem until
you think you’re not, you can’t, you won’t. But I’ve really in the last,
I would say three years, really started to reconnect with my hair in
it’s natural state like I’ll go to the gym I’m around the house
more, you know. – Meaning you won’t wear the, you won’t wear the wig? – Right I won’t wear the wig. I’m not going to give up on me, I never have and I never will. – What are assumptions
that people make about you based on
your appearance? – It’s really to be detriment, because a lot of times they
lower your expectations. Employers, people
who have the power. – Cause of what? – Cause of my skin! And these preconceived notions and these little boxes they
want to put everything in. I don’t have a box,
I create my own box, I step outside the
box and keep going. I helped open this
museum, from scratch, set up the whole
events department and it was really interesting because they gave
me marks to meet. I delivered three
and four times over what they asked me to do. And that’s what sent me
into one nervous breakdown because they let me go. And even within our own people when you don’t have a
certain grade of hair or you don’t have that
really kind of what I call homogenized look, you
kind of get it too. – Is there a certain
kind of person that you think
underestimates you more than another kind of person? – It just depends
on where they are in terms of their humanness. – Are they detached
from their humanness? Because a lot of folk that
are running things are. People who consider you
not human, you know, like during slavery, that was a total
disconnect from humanness. If you were intact
with your humanness you wouldn’t treat
another human like that. Oh my gosh, I worked at this
PR Firm on Capitol Hill. African American. – An African American PR Firm?
– PR Firm on Capitol Hill. I had to sue them
because of my braids. She was saying, you know,
either you change that hair or you’re just going to be, we’re going to send
you to the basement with the secretarial pool. And that was a very fine example of intraracial discrimination. – So can you talk
a little bit about your two nervous breakdowns? – Oh my gosh, I told
you about the museum that was crashing, but yeah, I was working there and
I just worked so hard. I think they had to pay me close to three times what they wanted. They said deliver,
I don’t know, 5% and I did, I went for 100. And then when I did that it
was like they didn’t like that and I was let go and it
just almost destroyed me. You know its this whole
thing, what am I doing wrong? What did I do wrong? I couldn’t wrap
my brain around it because it just felt like
I was doing everything that I was supposed to be
doing on so many levels and then going above that. And still the stress
and the strain and that’s a lot
of what I deal with and I’m sure a lot
of other women, especially women of color, because you don’t, we
don’t have luxury to stop. We have to keep against all odds in fact, stress becomes the norm and then you push to the point where its so much stress that
you don’t even realize it and by the time you do,
that’s when you cave in. I remember one time I was
in my mother’s bathtub with my fur coat on, crying with the shower
curtains and the door locked. My hair fell out of my head. I had locks, I had locks that
would make the seas part. Locked my hair July 27th
1988, they had thinned out to the point that, I
think it was March, I forgot the date, 2008, there
was twenty years almost exact and I had to let them go,
I had to cut them out. I’m thankful to say, through
all that I had to go through my eldest daughter is graduating from Harvard Law
School class of 2020. I’m happy to say
that my youngest is, right now she’s in Senegal,
you know, learning Wolof. – Is there anything for you that is a source of shame? – My youngest daughter
and I, we’re in therapy. I think I could of been
a better mother to Zani going through her school years
went to a very prestigious and Zani was a
lifer at her school. Which means she went from
kindergarten to 12th grade and a lot of times I ask
myself was that the best thing that we could of done? But, I wanted my girls to
understand how to function with all worlds of people. I wanted them to understand
how to be comfortable understand how to deal
with basically the elite. And a lot of times we
would go places and be like mom why are we the
only black people here? I think that there are things
that probably happened there. Microaggression, I’m sure
that she had, you know, multiple ongoing encounters
with that on varying scales. We would go to the meetings,
you know, for her school we wish Zani would,
you know, interact more and, you know, participate more. But she would pull back and
I never investigated that and I really wished I had. The way the system is
engineered to promote failure of our people, to promote
a hate, self-hate, to promote a lack
of self-esteem, to promote a lack of confidence, I did not want
that for my girls. My other daughter
has beautiful locks I always tell her that when
she walks the campus of Harvard that every time she
steps foot on it, she is committing
an act of feminism and a show of black power. My mother picked cotton. She’s going to see my
daughter walk across the Harvard School,
Harvard Law School stage, and get her degree. With me in the middle. What I went through brought
it to a certain point and then I was able to
help her as a result. To lift them up so I
could push them out and I’m just going to
keep trying to push, push, push where ever I can. – I kind of don’t think
that we can go finish this interview somehow,
my instinct tells me, without hearing a
little something about your mother. – Oh yes my mother. (sighs) This is a very
vulnerable subject for me cause my mother does
have Parkinson’s and she is, you know,
first stage of dementia and I am her main caregiver. My mother is my rock. My mother, she’s taught me what it means to survive. Cause she had to
rise to the occasion of my father leaving us but
she kept us glued together. I never even knew I was poor. I wouldn’t be anywhere, I wouldn’t be anything
without my mom. I’m going to make sure
I got these right. I told you I stared
wearing g-strings when I was at Playboy
and I haven’t stopped. I love them.
– Why? – I feel free. And it’s like, oh that
string is up your butt, but it just feels free to me. I still think it’s okay that
I feel sexy and feminine I don’t think I want to shut
myself off in that regard because that’s part of me. I do would like to have the
right mate, the right companion at this point, no but I still,
I’m still not giving up. – Hair, it’s last. – Okay. Ta-dah, I’m in drag. – What’s you biggest fear? It used to be that I wouldn’t
be accepted or appreciated but I don’t care
about that anymore. Cause I appreciate myself. My biggest fear right now, is that I’m not going
to like the way I look at a certain angle
when I take this, when I take my drag off,
when I take my cap off. (laughs) but here I am, I just, I’m, I think my palms
are a little sweaty. – So this is a big deal? – Umm, yes it’s a
pretty big deal. God gave me a lot
of things He gave me this beautiful color skin
but when it comes to here I didn’t get that
memo, so guess what? I made my own memo. You know, I was told that I
would be bald, but, guess what? I’m not bald, I got something,
I got a little hang, see it? Ha! So this is me, this is me. This is me. But let me try getting
through the door like this. When I know that I’m going to
able to get through the door with my do. – So you still don’t think you’d get through the door
with this, like this? – Uh-uh. – Why in your
body, in your skin, in your journey, why is
it a good place to be? – Because it’s
mine authentically. There’s 8.3 billion people on
this planet, no tree is alike. – How do you feel right now? – It’s been very cathartic, I’ve really, I’ve really
been very open and honest, I’ve told the truth, I’ve
bared my soul to this moment. I have not held
anything back and, if I had to do it
all over again I, do just the same
thing I just did. Yup, that’s the way I feel. Thank you so much. – That’s awesome. – I’m Lily, and I’m Elisa, and we’re the mother-daughter
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97 thoughts on “Caprece Jackson Takes Off Her Wig and Takes on Racism

  1. She's the prettiest. So strong. Love how this beautiful woman dresses the way she pleases. So well spoken. That museum story made me so mad. I don't understand why people have to discriminate against looks, beliefs, sexuality or anything that makes someone who they are tbh. Every skin color is beautiful. Every person is beautiful, so long as their intentions are from the heart. Sweetest soul ever. Bless her. So real and so gorgeous. 💕😍

  2. Woman, you are so beautiful. Thank you for sharing your youness with us. You’re the type of woman I’d be honored to call my friend. I understand the sweaty palms and that different things are a big deal to each of us, but you’re gorgeous from every angle.

  3. You two (Style like you Mom,& Daughter) are Really doing the Good work, Much Appreciation 💖 This Sister is phenomenal 💐💖💖💖

  4. Yes Capreece let them know Exactly what's it like as a WOMAN OF COLOUR in the place called America. Like this interviewer needs to wake up to this REALITY!!

  5. Glad she spoke about discrimination amongst our own people. Recently left a black owned business myself, stress is not my friend or soulmate.

  6. Her 'this is me' was so powerful. I can relate soo much. I'm also a hair hopper; I change my wigs up often. I have a work wig (which helps me blend into my environment & means less questions asked) & I have my colourful 'out there' wigs. My form of self expression 👌🏾✨I think I know how she feels about going out with her natural hair. It's daunting tbh…

  7. 65 and still rocking the hell out of it sis!! Wrinkle free, smooth and dewy brown skin….. like only a black woman can! The body of a forty year old!

  8. ALL of this is soo relatable for me.. I thank this beautiful soul for articulating what it means to be a woman/mother/employee/daughter of color! 💞

  9. The moment at the end when she said “this is me” was so beautiful❤️ This truly inspires me to give myself love through the whole journey of life😌

  10. I am always so surprised and moved by these films. I truly try to simply accept people as they are and move on, and I hope I've raised my son to interact with others that way. However, I hear her testimony and realize that is not the case, and I think I'm overly naive in many respects. That saddens me.

  11. This Sister looks good! I would totally smash… She has got the body of a woman 15 to 20 years younger – amazing. She speaks a lot of truth about the low key racism Black people historically have so often encountered, even when they do a good job. A White person of lesser or mediocre accomplishment might still receive praise or advancement. She's got a great attitude. Most women her age ( I'm 61 ) have sexually given up and are over the Hill, but she's still "got it".

  12. Gorgeous, inside and out! Thank you for sharing your story and insights. You spoke so eloquently and truthfully about the black female experience. Blessings to you and your fam! 💚

  13. She's amazing! She got more beautiful with each item she took off. I almost cried when it got to the end. I LOVE this project. Stylelikeu is the bomb!

  14. I feel that I like Caprece and see her beauty as a complete person, is because I got to KNOW Caprece (at least a little). It makes me sad that most people don't have a chance to have candid conversations and get to really know each other. Possibly this social superficiality is why prejudice of all kinds still exists, because we refuse to really know the individuals we interact with.

  15. Lovely Capresse. Awesome interview. Her beauty is shines from beginning to end. As a Black single, mom, motherless female, I've been encouraged today to keep being me. Thank you.

  16. she looks abolutely great, normal, not sure why that hair thing is a topic at all, looks ok to me, i would not give it a second thought if i see her walking in the street like that, without the wig

  17. Oh I loooove! Her passion, her honesty and presence 🙌🏾
    So beautiful and I welcome you through my door Caprece ❤️🙏🏾 Especially with your natural hair 😍

    I'm also really happy to see that you've got a sponsor for this video! I love this series of videos and your channel 🌳🌞
    much love & appreciation 🙏🏾

  18. Powerful black woman. I felt it when she talked about her mom. Losing my mommy to dementia too but she is young. Lost many jobs because l wear my hair natural and that’s in the UK. Great documentary ladies. 🎓❤️

  19. ❤️This woman is amazing. I want to be like her in my 60’s … but what she’s had to overcome proves her a warrior beyond! I locked my hair when my father died this past year and I hope I die with them. Love your channel. 💜🦋💜

  20. Caprece!! Your soul shines. I love your anger, power, your vulnerability, your truth. We are more than enough. We are light, and we need to learn how step in to that, to follow our light instead of moving in darkness of assumption, fear and prejudice. ♥️

  21. This beautifully seasoned, wise, informed, tested, and warrior of a Lady, is elegantly speaking Trust to Power! Yes, yes, yes, sadly many "blacks" are still self-hating.

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