Eldridge & Co. – Barney Frank: Former US Congressman (1981-2013)

Eldridge & Co. – Barney Frank: Former US Congressman (1981-2013)


♪ [THEME MUSIC] ♪>>>HELLO. I’M RONNIE ELDRIDGE. WELCOME TO “ELDRIDGE & COMPANY.” I’M SO PLEASED THAT MY GUEST TODAY IS MY FRIEND, THE FORMER CONGRESSMAN FROM MASSACHUSETTS BARNEY FRANK WHO PROVED ONCE AGAIN THAT POLITICS CAN BE A NOBLE PROFESSION. WELCOME. >>THANK YOU.>>YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN INTERESTED IN POLITICS FROM THE TIME YOU WERE A KID?>>YEAH. I REMEMBER, MY FATHER WAS WHAT WE WOULD CALL AN EARLY ADOPTER. HE BOUGHT A TV SET WHEN I WAS BORN IN 1940. >>OH, BOY. >>I REMEMBER NBC USED TO SEND OUT A POSTCARD ONCE A WEEK WITH THE PROGRAMS. IF THERE WAS A CHANGE, YOU GOT A PHONE CALL. SO I DO REMEMBER IN THE — MY EARLIEST MEMORIES, I WAS 10 YEARS OLD. IT WAS SORT OF CRIME, BUT THAT BECAME AN ENTRY TO POLITICS. IT WAS A HEARING REPRODUCING THE GODFATHER.>>I REMEMBER WHEN THAT WAS ON TELEVISION.>>I WAS 10 YEARS OLD. I DIDN’T FULLY UNDERSTAND IT. I CAN STILL REMEMBER IT. IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE MAFIA. BUT IT WAS POLITICS. I DO REMEMBER BEING VERY INTERESTED IN THE 1952 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. MY OLDER SISTER WHO WAS HERSELF BILL CLINTON’S PRESS SECRETARY, WAS OUT CAMPAIGNING FOR STEVENSON IN 1952. SO REALLY FROM 1950 ON I GOT MORE AND MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT IT AS WELL AS INTERESTED IN POLITICS. >>AND McCARTHY — >>McCARTHY, I WOULD RUN HOME FROM SCHOOL TO WATCH. BY THEN I FULLY — NOT FULLY. PUT I PRETTY MUCH UNDERSTOOD IT. THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT. >>YOU SAY IN A WAY THE MOST WONDERFUL BOOK, THAT THAT WAS A PERIOD WHEN YOU KNEW YOU REALLY WANTED TO GO INTO THE GOVERNMENT.>>I REALIZED I WAS — I REALIZED WHEN I WAS 13 THAT I WAS GAY. BUT BY THE TIME I WAS 14 I SAID, I’D LIKE DO THAT. I KNEW I WOULD BE GOOD AT IT. I WAS IN A LIFE LONG WAR WITH PHYSICAL OBJECTS. I WOULD USE TOO MUCH FORCE. I WOULD DO THEM WRONG. I’M LEFT HANDED. I WOULD DO THEM THE WRONG WAY. I ALMOST FAILED SHOP. THE SHOP TEACHER SAID, SIT THERE. I SAID, OKAY, THAT WOULD BE FINE WITH ME. I KNEW I WAS GOOD VERBALLY. I WAS GOOD WITH WORDS. I COULD MAKE PEOPLE LAUGH. I WAS QUICK WITTED. I HAD A NATURAL BENT FOR ARGUMENT. I’M WATCHING THE HEARINGS. I KNOW IT’S ABOUT IMPORTANT THINGS. PEOPLE’S FREEDOM FROM BEING ABUSED AND I SAY, I’M GOOD AT THAT. I’D LIKE DO THAT. TO BE HONEST, WE ALL LIKE TO DO THINGS WE’RE GOOD AT. YOU ARE BETTER AT THEM AND YOU ENJOY THEM. IT’S A MUTUAL REINFORCING CYCLE. THE McCARTHY HEARINGS WERE FASCINATING TO ME BUT THEY WERE ALSO CONFLICTING. AS I THOUGHT I WOULD LIKE DO THAT, I REALIZED THAT BEING GAY, A HOMOSEXUAL AS WE THEN CALLED OURSELVES IF NOT FAG. IT WAS AN ERA WHEN HOMOSEXUALITY WAS TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS. IT WAS LIKE — CAN’T OVEREMPHASIZE, IT WAS WHOLLY UNACCEPTABLE IN SOCIETY. I WAS AN EXAMPLE WHAT EVERYBODY CONSIDERED TO BE A TERRIBLE PERSON. THERE WASN’T ANYTHING TO DO ABOUT IT EXCEPT TO KEEP IT A BIG SECRET. I KNEW AT THE TIME, I WOULD LOVE TO BE IN GOVERNMENT. YOU HAD TO BE POPULAR TO BE IN GOVERNMENT. I’M A MEMBER OF THE MOST UNPOPULAR GROUP IN AMERICA. SO I FIGURED, WELL, THE UNPOPULARITY OF MY SEXUAL ORIENTATION WOULD KEEP ME FROM BEING IN GOVERNMENT.>>IT’S INCREDIBLE. YOU LIVED WITH THAT FOR HOW MANY YEARS?>>I DID NOT BEGIN TO TELL PEOPLE THAT I WAS GAY OTHER THAN TO HAVE SEX WITH A PERSON UNTIL INTO MY 30s. I DIDN’T TELL ANYBODY VOLUNTARILY UNTIL MY MID 30s WHEN I DECIDED AT THAT POINT I HAD BEEN — THAT BEING CLOSETED, REPRESSING MYSELF WAS — I COULDN’T LIVE THAT WAY. SO I BEGAN TO COME OUT ON A RETAIL BASIS TO FAMILY AND CLOSE FRIENDS IN THE LATE ’70s. >>BEFORE YOU WENT TO CONGRESS?>>I WAS IN THE PROCESS, ’78-’79, OF TELLING PEOPLE. I HAD BEEN IN THE LEGISLATURE BY THAT TIME FOR — >>BEFORE YOU WENT INTO THE LEGISLATURE, YOU WORKED WITH A CANDIDATE WHO BECAME MAYOR.>>I WORKED FOR A MAN NAMED KEVIN WHITE WHO WAS RUNNING FOR MAYOR OF BOSTON IN 1967 AGAINST A TERRIBLE RACIST. AND HE WAS THE HOPE TO DEFEAT HER. I WENT TO WORK FOR HIM OUT OF A NEGATIVE REACTION TO HER, NOT BECAUSE — I DIDN’T KNOW HIM WELL BUT I SOON CAME TO THINK HE WAS VERY GOOD. HE WAS ONE — HE WAS THE FIRST MAN TO OPEN UP TO THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY. HE WENT TO BE ONE OF THE PIONEERS IN STOPPING HIGHWAY CONSTRUCTION THROUGH THE CITY AND PUSHING FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION INSTEAD. SO I WAS — >>DURING THE LINDSAY ERA TOO.>>YEAH. LINDSAY GOT ELECTED IN 1965, THE YEAR HE GOT ELECTED, THE SAME DAY CARL STOKES BECAME THE FIRST BLACK MAYOR OF CLEVELAND. JOE ALIOTO BECAME KIND OF AN INNOVATIVE MAYOR OF SAN FRANCISO. THEY WERE KIND OF A TRIO OF ADVOCATES. I WORKED FOR HIM FOR THREE YEARS. I WORKED FOR HIM AND I WAS TOTALLY CLOSETED. I LIVED IN TOTAL FEAR THAT ANYBODY WOULD — >>AT THE SAME TIME YOU WERE REALLY SUCCESSFUL.>>THAT BECAME THE ISSUE. ONE OF THE THINGS I WARNED PEOPLE AGAINST BELIEVING IS THIS ARGUMENT, IT’S NOT HAPPENING AS MUCH ANYMORE BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN’T AS CLOSETED. PEOPLE THINK OF SUCCESSFUL POLITICIANS WHO WE ASSUME TO BE GAY OR LESBIAN AND THE EXPLANATION WAS, YOU KNOW WHAT, HE HAS GOT SUCH A GREAT CAREER, HE DOESN’T NEED A PRIVATE LIFE. THE ARGUMENT WOULD BE THAT BENEFITS OF THE PUBLIC LIFE, OF BEING A GREAT PUBLIC FIGURE, THAT THAT COMPENSATED FOR HAVING NO PRIVATE LIFE. I FOUND THAT TO BE ALMOST — NOT ONLY UNTRUE BUT ALMOST EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE. WHAT I FOUND IN MY CASE WAS THE GREATER THE DISPARITY BETWEEN THE PUBLIC CAREER I WAS GETTING WHICH WAS SUCCESSFUL, INCLUDING, BY THE WAY FOR BEING A GAY RIGHTS ADVOCATE. WHEN I DECIDED I WOULD RUN FOR OFFICE AFTER BEING WITH THE MAYOR AND GETTING PROMINENCE SO I COULD RUN FOR A LOWER STATE LEGISLATIVE ENTRY LEVEL POSITION IN THE SMALL AREA WHERE BEING UNUSUAL, NOT GAY SPECIFICALLY, WAS NOT A PROBLEM IN DOWNTOWN BOSTON. BUT I DID SAY TO MYSELF LITERALLY, OKAY, I CAN’T BE HONEST ABOUT BEING GAY. BUT I WILL BE A GAY RIGHTS ADVOCATE. I COULD NOT LIVE WITH BEING A HYPOCRITE ABOUT IT. I FELT EVER SINCE, NOBODY OUGHT TO COME OUT. BUT THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY — >>SHE RAN — >>SHE GOT ELECTED. I MENTIONED MY SISTER, A PIONEER IN WOMEN’S POLITICAL — SHE WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF THE NATIONAL WOMEN’S POLITICAL CAUCUS. SHE WAS OF THE NATIONAL WOMEN’S POLITICAL CAUCUS IN ’71. THEY HAD THREE CO-CHAIRS. AN AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN WHO WAS FROM PUBLIC HOUSING, MY SISTER, THE MARRIED MOTHER OF THREE AND A LESBIAN. SO SHE INTRODUCED ME TO HER. I WAS CLOSETED TO HER. SHE WAS OUT. I GET ELECTED IN ’72. SHE GOT ELECTED TWO YEARS LATER. SHE WAS THE FIRST PERSON IN AMERICA TO GET ELECTED IN A PARTISAN ELECTION TO A MAJOR JOB. SHE SERVED FOUR YEARS. SHE GOT SQUEEZED OUT WHEN THEY CHANGED THE DISTRICTS. I FOUND I WAS THE ADVOCATE FOR GAY RIGHTS. I WOULD GO TO GAY RIGHTS CELEBRATIONS AND PARADES AND PARTIES. THERE WOULD BE VERY NICE THINGS SAID ABOUT MY ADVOCACY. EVERYONE WOULD HAVE A GOOD TIME. THEN IT WOULD MORPH INTO A PARTY. AND I WAS HOME ALONE. THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND THE PRIVATE — RATHER THAN THE PUBLIC SUCCESS OFFSETTING THE PRIVATE NOT A SUCCESS, THE — IT WAS THE OWN SONG, SATURDAY NIGHT IS THE LONELIEST NIGHT OF THE WEEK. THAT WAS MY LIFE.>>THAT WAS SOMETHING. SO NOW, I MEAN THEN YOU WENT TO STATE LEGISLATURE AND YOU WENT TO CONGRESS. WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. NOW TO BE GAY IS FINE. TO BE IN THE GOVERNMENT OR IN CONGRESS — >>NOT SO FINE.>>EXPLAIN IT.>>IN 2012, MY LAST YEAR IN OFFICE, I GOT MARRIED. JIM AND I HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT GETTING MARRIED, DATING, LIVING TOGETHER FOR A WHILE WHEN — I HAD MY DISTRICT THAT I WAS GOING TO BE IN MUCH OF THE TIME IN WASHINGTON BUT WE WERE SPENDING AS MUCH TIME AS WE COULD->>AND ONLY ACCEPTED IN WASHINGTON, RIGHT?>>YEAH. WASHINGTON HAD BEEN A GAY TOLERANT COMMUNITY PROBABLY BECAUSE WASHINGTON IS A PLACE WHERE YOU ARE NOT AT A DISADVANTAGE IF YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER OF A TRADITIONAL FAMILY. THE WHITE COMMUNITY, NOT THE LARGER AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, IT’S A PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE TEMPORARILY. HAVING MEN THERE WITHOUT THEIR FAMILIES IS VERY COMMON IN WASHINGTON. ALSO IN DEFENSE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND POLITICIANS, THERE’S A NOTION ABOUT — THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN A GREAT SOURCE OF HIRING FREE OF DISCRIMINATION. IT HAS BEEN FOR A LONG TIME IT WAS A PLACE WHERE THE BLACK MIDDLE CLASS COULD GO. PRINCE GEORGES COUNTY OUTSIDE OF WASHINGTON, D.C. AND MARYLAND WAS FOR A WHILE I THINK ALONG WITH QUEENS ONE OF TWO COUNTIES IN AMERICA WHERE THE MEDIAN INCOME OF BLACK PEOPLE WAS HIGHER THAN FOR WHITE PEOPLE. BECAUSE YOU HAD A BLACK MIDDLE CLASS THAT COULD GET HIRED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IN 2012, WE MADE A POINT OF SAYING, WE WANTED TO GET MARRIED WHILE I WAS IN OFFICE. I WANTED THE REPUBLICANS ON THE WHOLE WHO HAD VOTED TO BAN SAME-SEX MARRIAGE TO ASSOCIATE WITH THE SAME-SEX MARRIED COUPLE TO SHOW THIS IS — YOUR FEARS ARE OUT OF NONSENSE.>>THIS IS WHERE IT ALL CAME TOGETHER. >>SOMEBODY HAD DONE A POLL. TWO YEARS BEFORE THAT I WAS THE CO-SPONSOR OF THE FINANCIAL REFORM BILL NAMED FOR MYSELF AND SENATOR CHRIS DODD. IT WAS LITERALLY THE CASE SOMEONE TOLD ME IN 2012 THAT IN THE POLLING, MY HAVING MARRIED JIM WAS MORE APPROVED BY THE VOTERS THAN THE FINANCIAL REFORM BILL. AS TIME WENT ON, THE PREJUDICE AGAINST LGB PEOPLE — WE ARE FINALLY GETTING THERE — DIMINISHED. REALITY BEAT PREJUDICE. THERE WAS A VICIOUS CYCLE. AS PEOPLE BEGAN TO COME OUT, STEREOTYPES WERE SO OBVIOUSLY INACCURATE. WHAT HAPPENED WAS THIS, PEOPLE COULD HATE THEM. AND THEN AS MORE AND MORE OF US BEGAN TO COME OUT, NOT PUBLICALLY, BUT TO OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND RELATIVES AND CO-WORKERS AND TEACHERS AND CUSTOMERS, PEOPLE BEGAN TO SEE US NOT AS THAT TERRIBLE — THAT’S SO AND SO. THAT’S MY COUSIN. THAT’S MY BROTHER. BEING GAY BECAME MORE AND MORE SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE. ON THE OTHER HAND, SADLY, IN THE ’70s, BEING IN GOVERNMENT BECAME LESS AND LESS ACCEPTED. THERE WAS A DEMONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT FROM A VARIETY OF SOURCES. I STARTED OUT BEING AFRAID THAT BEING GAY MADE ME SO UNPOPULAR THAT I COULDN’T DO ANYTHING IN GOVERNMENT. BY THE END, BEING GAY WAS MORE SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE THAN BEING A CONGRESSMAN. >>WHEN DID THE GOVERNMENT START TO GO DOWN?>>I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE ’70s. GO WAY BACK, VIETNAM. VIETNAM AND WATERGATE. IT STARTS WITH THAT. IT DOES GO BACK UP SOME.>>THAT’S WHEN WE MET. >>YES, IN 1965.>>IT GOES BACK — THE DEVALUATION OF GOVERNMENT YOU HAVE JIMMY CARTER, A DECENT MAN WHO MEANS WELL BUT THEN RONALD REAGAN COMES IN AND REAGAN IS NOT PERSONALLY — HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE. I GUESS I WOULD SAY IT HAPPENED — I CAN GIVE YOU THE TIME IN WHICH IT SEEMED TO HAPPEN. KENNEDY SAID ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU, ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY. THAT’S A PRO SOCIETAL — HOW DO WE DO THAT? THROUGH GOVERNMENT. WE WANT TO DO THINGS TOGETHER THROUGH GOVERNMENT. 20 YEARS LATER, RONALD REAGAN FROM HIS GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE ANSWER. GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM. I THINK WHAT FUELLED IT IS REALITY. I THINK IT STARTS IN THE ’70s. I THINK OPEC HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. YOU COME OUT OF WORLD WAR II AND AMERICA IS THE DOMINANT ECONOMIC POWER IN THE WORLD TO A DEGREE THAT NOBODY ELSE EVER HAS BEEN SINCE ROME. WORLD WAR II DEVASTATED EVERY MAJOR ECONOMY EXCEPT OURS. OURS, IT STIMULATED. PEOPLE DIED. BUT AMERICA BECAME THE MANUFACTURING CENTER FOR THE WORLD. WE MADE EVERYTHING. OUR ECONOMY GREW. WE GOT — PEOPLE BEGAN TO — WOMEN BEGAN TO WORK AND AFRICAN-AMERICANS. BUT BY THE POST-WAR PERIOD FROM ’45 UNTIL THE MID ’70s, AMERICA DOMINATED THE WORLD. WE MADE EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING WAS DONE HERE. THE REST OF THE WORLD WE SUPPLIED THEM. GOT MONEY FOR IT. SO DURING THAT PERIOD, IF YOU WERE A HARD WORKING MAN, WHITE GUY, YOU DIDN’T FACE PREJUDICE, AND YOU WERE WILLING TO WORK, YOU DIDN’T HAVE TO HAVE EDUCATION OR SKILL, YOU COULD GO TO A FACTORY AND MAKE A GOOD LIVING. >>YOU HAVE VETERANS COMING BACK.>>TREMENDOUSLY. TIP O’NEILL USED TO LAMENT WE CREATED A MIDDLE CLASS AND THE PEOPLE WHO BENEFITTED — THAT’S RIGHT. FOR 30 YEARS WHITE WORKING CLASS GUYS HAD — WHO WERE WILLING TO WORK HAD A GOOD CHANCE. WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT WAS TAKEN AS THE NORM. IT WAS AN EXCEPTIONAL PERIOD DUE TO AMERICA HAVING DONE SO WELL ECONOMICALLY WHEN THE REST OF THE WORLD WAS DEVASTATED. IN WORLD WAR II, BEGINNING OF THAT POINT — OPEC WAS A PART OF IT. THE POSITION OF WHITE MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS BEGAN TO ERODE. BECAUSE IT BEGAN DIFFERENTIATING THE ECONOMY. AMERICA NO LONGER COULD MAKE EVERYTHING. WE COULD MAKE MOST THINGS WHERE HIGH SCHOOLS AND HIGH EDUCATION WERE HELPFUL. BUT WHERE IT WAS JUST BASIC — >>WHEN YOU SAY OPEC, WHAT WAS THE — >>OIL. THE PRICE OF OIL GOING UP. THAT WAS ONE THING. ALL OF A SUDDEN AMERICANS HAD TO PAY MORE FOR OIL. THAT WAS FIRST ECONOMIC SHOCK.>>IT WASN’T DETERMINED BY US. >>RIGHT. THERE WAS THIS SIGNIFICANT SHIFT UPWARDS IN THE PRICE OF OIL. THAT WAS THE FIRST JOLT. REMEMBER JIMMY CARTER AND ENERGY — THE FIRST ENERGY EFFICIENCY ALTERNATIVE ENERGY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CLIMATE OR THE ENVIRONMENT. IT HAD MOSTLY TO DO WITH SECURITY NEEDS TO DEAL WITH THE PRICE OF OIL. WHAT HAPPENS IS, THE TERMS OF ECONOMIC ADVANCE BEGIN TO TURN. SO THE HIGH END DOES BETTER. THE LOW END DOES WORSE. YOU HAVE THIS SIGNIFICANT SHIFT THAT GETS WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE. FINALLY, REACHES THE POINT WHERE YOU HAVE NOW A WORLDWIDE KIND OF REVOLT IN ADVANCE SOCIETY BY A LOT OF VOTERS AGAINST ECONOMIC UNFAIRNESS. THEY ARE RIGHT. I THINK THEY’RE WRONG ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. IT’S NOT JUST DONALD TRUMP AND PEOPLE SAY WHY ISN’T HILLARY CLINTON DOING BETTER? FRANKLY OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WERE MAJOR POLITICAL FIGURES TODAY WHO HAVE HAD SIGNIFICANT GOVERNMENTAL EXPERIENCE IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, SHE’S THE ONLY ONE STILL SURVIVING. THE BUSHES GOT WIPED OUT. DAVID CAMERON, BRITAIN, ANGELA MERKEL, FRANCOIS HOLLANDE. I DO BELIEVE THAT THE FUNDAMENTAL REASON FOR IT IS REAL, THAT THERE HAS BEEN THIS SHIFT IN THE DISTRIBUTION ECONOMICALLY SO THAT EVEN AS THINGS GOT BETTER OVERALL, THEY EITHER GOT WORSE OR DIDN’T GET BETTER NEARLY FAST ENOUGH FOR A GREAT BULK OF PEOPLE. >>THIS SHIFT HAS CREATED THIS DIVISION, THE POLITICAL DIVISION.>>YES.>>YOU ALWAYS HEARD TIP O’NEILL AND REAGAN WORKED TOGETHER WELL. ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE IS NEWT GINGRICH WHO REALLY — >>HERE IS THE DEAL. REAGAN AND O’NEILL COULD WORK TOGETHER. ALTHOUGH, I MUST SAY — HE DIDN’T THINK HE KNEW VERY MUCH. HE IN PARTICULAR WAS VERY CRITICAL — CRITICAL OF RONALD REAGAN BECAUSE HE SAID HE’S A GUY WHO FORGOT WHERE HE CAME FROM. HE WAS AN IRISHMAN WHO BECAME KIND OF ABOVE IT ALL. STILL, WE WORKED TOGETHER. BY THE WAY, NOW IT’S TRUE, NEWT GINGRICH — PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHERE IT STARTED. THERE’S A VERY GOOD BOOK BY NORM ORANGESTEIN WHICH TALKS ABOUT HOW THINGS STARTED TO GO BAD. NEWT GINGRICH STARTED OUT IN THE EARLY — IN THE ’80s. HE SAID WE WILL NEVER TAKE OVER, WE REPUBLICANS, IF THE DEMOCRATS ARE SEEN AS DECENT PEOPLE WE DISAGREE WITH. HE BEGAN TO DEMONIZE THEM. IT SERVED. BUT EVEN THEN IT DIDN’T TAKE OVER. GINGRICH HAD SHORT-TERM SUCCESS, BUT HE WAS FORCED OUT OF OFFICE. FROM REALLY THROUGH 2008, PEOPLE SAID, THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN. IT’S DYSFUNCTIONAL. BUT ONLY BEGINNING IN 2011, ACTUALLY. DURING THE CLINTON YEARS AND THE GEORGE W. BUSH YEARS, AS WELL AS GEORGE H.W. YEARS AND REAGAN YEARS, PEOPLE WORKED TOGETHER. THERE WAS COOPERATION. 2008, I HAD BECOME CHAIRMAN OF THE FINANCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE. WE SPENT MOST OF — I WANTED TO BE WORKING ON BUILDING AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING AS OPPOSED TO SELLING POOR PEOPLE HOMES THEY COULDN’T AFFORD. I WANTED TO WORK ON A BETTER — THIS WHOLE QUESTION ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTION ECONOMICALLY. INSTEAD, WE FOUND OURSELVES FIREFIGHTING — FIGHTING A FIRE OF THE FINANCIAL CLASS. BUT THE DEAL IS, IN 2008, TOP ECONOMIC ADVISORS TO A DEMOCRATIC ADVISER SAID WE GOT TERRIBLE PROBLEMS WE THINK BECAUSE OF THE LAX REGULATORY POLICIES. WE NEED HELP TO BAIL THEM OUT. WE SPENT MOST OF THE ELECTION SEASON OF 2008 WITH THE DEMOCRATS WORKING WITH BUSH TO DO THINGS THAT BECAME VERY UNPOPULAR. REPUBLICANS BLAMED ON THE DEMOCRATS. DURING BUSH’S YEARS — HE GOT — HE HAD BIPARTISAN COOPERATION ON THE IRAQ WAR. I WISH HE HADN’T. THERE WERE THINGS I FELT WERE WRONG. THERE WAS NONE OF THIS VICIOUS BIPARTISANSHIP. EVEN UNDER GINGRICH, THE REPUBLICANS COOPERATED MORE WITH CLINTON. YOU HEARD JOHN KASICH DURING THE PRIMARY BOASTS HOW HE BALANCED THE BUDGET. WHAT HAPPENS IS OBAMA TAKES OVER. THE REPUBLICANS DECIDE THEY HAVE TO GO INTO OPEN WARFARE. THEY MADE A REALIZATION THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE SEEN AS THE PARTY OF GOVERNMENT. SO THAT GAVE THE REPUBLICANS WHO WERE WILLING TO DO IT A POLITICAL INCENTIVE TO TRASH GOVERNMENT. THEY WERE KIND OF LIKE SOLOMON IN THE TEMPLE. BECAUSE IT WASN’T GOING TO FALL ON THEIR HEADS. IT WAS GOING TO FALL ON US. IN 2009, THE REPUBLICANS MOVED FROM BEING A CONSERVATIVE PARTY THAT HAD VIEWS OF WHAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO TO BEING AN OPPOSITION PARTY WHOSE MAIN GOAL WAS TO DISABLE THE GOVERNMENT KNOWING THE DEMOCRATS WOULD GET BLAMED FOR IT.>>IT’S AMAZING. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?>>WELL I HAVE BEEN HOPING IS THAT — WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. WE NEED TO GET BACK TO BOB DOLE, GEORGE H.W. BUSH. HONEST CONSERVATIVES, BUT THERE WERE DIFFERENT VIEWS ABOUT WORLD GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE. SINCE 2009 AND INCREASINGLY AND THEN AFTER THEY WON THE CONGRESSIONAL ELECTION, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS BEEN ALL ABOUT PEOPLE WHO THINK THE GOVERNMENT — THAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD GET SCREWED UP. IT WAS FUELLED BY THE POLITICAL REACTION TO DEMOCRATS HAVING SUPPORT FOR BUSH DEALING WITH THE CRISIS. THE MODERATE — NOT EVEN MODERATE REPUBLICANS BUT MAINSTREAM CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS GOT BEATEN BY — WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO HAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TURN AROUND. I’VE BEEN HOPING FOR A VERY BIG HILLARY CLINTON WIN NOT BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE CONTROL OF CONGRESS, BUT I BELIEVE WE’RE NOT GOING TO GET OUT OF DYSFUNCTION UNTIL THE MAINSTREAM CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS TAKE THEIR PARTY BACK FROM THE EXTREMISTS AND TRUMP PEOPLE AND THE TEA PARTY PEOPLE. IF HILLARY DOES WIN, AS I BELIEVE SHE WILL, AND IF WE TAKE BACK THE SENATE, I’M HOPING THIS WILL GALVANIZE THE MORE RESPONSIBLE — I’M TALKING ABOUT RESPONSIBLE CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS TO TAKE THEIR PARTY BACK. UNTIL AND UNLESS THEY DO, WE’RE GOING TO BE IN THE SAME SITUATION.>>IT’S NOT ONLY IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IT’S THE STATE LEVEL, THE DISTRICTS?>>NO QUESTION. THEY HAVE — WE HAD BAD LUCK. THE REDISTRICTING COMES AFTER — WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE CONGRESSIONAL ELECTIONS, THE ELECTIONS OF 2010, THE OFF-YEAR ELECTIONS, PUT IN POWER THE PEOPLE WHO WERE GOING TO DO THE NEW DISTRICTS IN 2012. THEY WON THEM. OUR NEXT CHANCE TO DO THAT IS WE HAVE TO HOPE IN 2020 THE DEMOCRATS CAN DO MUCH BETTER AND TAKE BACK SOME OF THOSE STATES AND UNDO SOME OF THAT — ALL THE>>NOT ONLY GERRYMANDERING ALL THE VOTING RESTRICTIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.>> YEAH. THE RIGHT WING SUPREME COURT IS ALLOWED BY STRIKING THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT. WELL EVEN THERE SOME JUDGES HAVE INSISTED ON REDOING THAT. BUT THERE’S ALSO THIS CONSERVATISM — NOT THIS BUT THE RADICALIZATION OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. YOU’RE RIGHT WHEN YOU SAID NOT JUST THE NATION LEVEL. MASSACHUSETTS, NEW YORK, WE USED TO HAVE — IT WAS JACOB JAVITZ, SENATOR ED BROOKE, NELSON ROCKEFELLER, CONGRESSMEN JOHN LINDSAY, A REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN, BILL GREEN, A REPUBLICAN. THEY ARE GONE. EVEN AT THE STATE LEVEL NOW, THE MORE CONSERVATIVE TAKEOVER OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS BEEN COMPLETE. THERE IS AN ALMOST UNIFORMLY RIGHT — SOME REPUBLICANS DON’T LIKE THE RESPONSIBILITY BUT THEY’VE BEEN INTIMIDATED. THE FEAR OF LOSING A PRIMARY->>THAT’S SOMETHING WE NEED TO- I WANTED TO DISCUSS HOW SAD IT IS TO SEE SOME OF THE MODERATE REPUBLICANS BETRAY THEMSELVES AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE BY BEING THIS FEAR->>YEP. SOME OF THEM, RICHARD HANNA FROM ITHACA JUST QUIT. A REASONABLE, DECENT REPUBLICAN. I CAN’T LIVE THIS WAY. THERE ARE OTHERS. I THINK THAT WAS THE MAJOR REASON SENATOR SNOW QUIT. THE PROBLEM IS NOW THEY ARE MORE AFRAID OF LOSING A PRIMARY. I WAS ASKED IN 2011 OR WHENEVER PEOPLE SAID, WELL, HOW COME YOU CAN’T GET ALONG BETTER WITH THE REPUBLICANS? I SAID, LET ME ASK YOU, HOW EASY DO YOU THINK IT IS TO MAKE A DEAL WITH MICHELLE BACHMAN, ONE OF THE CRAZIEST. ARE ALL THE REPUBLICANS MICHELLE BACHMANN? NO. THE OTHER HALF ARE AFRAID OF LOSING A PRIMARY TO HER. A SMALL PIECE OF THIS BLAME GOES TO A GUY WHO HAS BEEN MORE RESPONSIBLE, JOHN McCAIN. HE LEGITIMIZED CRAZINESS WITH SARAH PALIN. THE NOMINATION OF SARAH PALIN TO BE THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WAS SUCH A SHOCKING THING TO DO, I’M SURE MCCAIN NOW REGRETS IT BECAUSE HE’S NOW UNLEASHED THIS TOTALLY DISTRUCTIVE FORCE.>>WE HAVE COME TO THE END OF THIS PROGRAM. AND I KNOW YOU COME TO NEW YORK OFTEN. MAYBE YOU WILL COME BACK. >>ABSOLUTELY.>>WE DIDN’T TALK ABOUT THIS WONDERFUL BOOK. THIS BOOK IS FUNNY, IT’S SO INFORMATIVE. IT TELLS YOU EVERYTHING ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT, EVERYTHING ABOUT YOUR STRUGGLE.>>I’M HOPING IT’S A MANUAL FOR HOW TO BE AN EFFECTIVE LIBERAL. >>I WANT YOU TO OME BACK SO I CAN — IF YOU WERE A YOUNG PERSON, WOULD YOU RUN FOR OFFICE?>>IF I WAS A YOUNG PERSON, SURE.>>THANK YOU. >>BE BACK IN A MONTH. >>OKAY. GREAT. ♪ [THEME MUSIC] ♪

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