Neil Howe, Pt 1

Neil Howe, Pt 1


for conversations of great minds i speak
with an american historian economist and author was opened our eyes to some fascinating
insights and generations of people interact with
each other craft the timeline of modern in history is that more than a dozen books one of which the fourth turning written
back in nineteen ninety-seven publish them for a probably work before that was prophetic in describing the events
were facing today as a nation his most recent book is called mullen hills in the workplace curly’s the present a consulting firm
life course associates senior associate for the center for strategic and
international studies global aging initiative like to welcome now to studio you know
how thanks for showing up tonight greg what is great to be here welcome to
our program i t i have in among my ten or fifteen most influential forces your fourth
turning in the books to surround that i think the whole concept multi generational well pick i like the words wave if you could
describe for us the concept why the fourth turning what are the four
generations what’s that big concept because it’s all about
anyway like the really started with their with
their first book as generations which came out in nineteen
ninety one several years earlier uh… i that’s kinda what gave birth to this
whole new approach decided that this is bill strauss and
myself why we decided to write pastry of america
the weighted it’d never been written before and that is as a sequence of generational
biographies starting all the way back in the early sixteen hundreds with the first
generation you know the great migration to new england with with john winthrop
in the puritans and so on and we looked at each generation as a
separate collective story what were they like his children what
was going on which you can coming of age their courtship what war is that they
serve them how did they go how are they uh… did
they experience parenting what were they like his mid-life leaders and what were they like an old age how
did they look back upon their lives in the life lessons and then we take the next group in the
next griffin the first thing we found that was
interesting as these different generations of
experienced the same events convicted experience in a different ages
gave them a completely different alike one generation of course surge in the
warrant the next generation with the children during the war andrew very different lesson from the experience and other generation with the elders
during the war hero idea moved in with the leaders in the elders in the ended this kind of jim these kinds
of generational differences have been a while and for centuries they’ve always
been there and they’ve been talked about the next thing we found that was really
sort of an expected is not only at these generations are very different but they tend to return a certain rhythm
that is to say certain kinds of generations tend to follow other
generations and of course ends each generation both shaped by history and then shapes
history right it’s shaped his trees mid-life leaders and parents that there is a kind of a rhythm in the kinds of generations
actually implied a rhythm of history itself and that gave rise too a perspective which stood at the front of our sip harvard
actually a third book which was the fourth turning which was instead of a lenient
generations and then looking at the rhythm of history we started by looking at rhythms of
history what are the patterns of history wired are there cycles of war are they cycles
of religious awakening doo-doo those drug dealers sell rise or
fall in any predictable pattern uh… i is there such a thing as a long
cycle contrary of wave and an economic activity uh… is are there is such things as a
cycle of a realigning elections in american history these have been widely
discusses an enormous literature on looking at these kinds of rhythms and
psychological economics particularly the economics and we found it there are so i felt and in fact the generational experience the dieting or ged rather governing by timer of the cycles mechanic gives
rise if it gets coherence the the experience of being young and growing older is a constant throughout history have
really doesn’t very very much a ministry that some of us who live longer than we
used to basic phases of life being young person coming of age into adulthood achieving leadership responsibilities
usually in your mid forties beginning to retire from public life and
an economic life in your in your mid sixties late sixties these have been concepts and and they didn’t give a certain time
industry itself so my read of your book was that there are these for kind of archetypal generations in that and any shirish is roughly
twenty years jarvis defined as nineteen years right listed for me and so every eighty years the cycle repeats
itself and each one of those four generations because of their experience from the generation experiences more
depression because of their experience that uh…
because their children’s experience growing up in that baby come the generation that does let’s
let’s start with that that generation experiences warren depression
of the depression war that generation is called walk well the the generation to pick an
arbitrary generation that comes of age in their youth participating actively in
a period of national crisis like a war but we call them a civic generation or
the hero architect as the founders vis-a-vis the the
republican generation often you know the the res publica generally original
meaning a republican uh… i’ve jefferson madison monroe i
mean precocious young as as political leaders an incredible age i think the
trav retrieves the average age of the of the writers offers authors of the
federalist papers right j at hamilton in madison something like thirty years old
attorneys imagine today the founding document of the whole near
a political regime being written by people that young but that’s what we expected from that
generation so them that generation to generation
then disparate the is is they grow old and typical of a care archetype and
we’ve seen many of them in our history they become politically and
institutionally powerfully young age in the occupied these positions of public
leadership for a long tenure over their lifetime their powerful as voters that organized
a valve frequently they load often in a vote in an organized way the most recent example of a hero
archetype course is the greatest generation right the g_i_ generation who came of age during the great
depression came of age in world war two they are the most uniformed generation per capita american history rightful something like fifteen million
of them served in in world war two nya at they took us out of the great
depression they fought these wars they’ve they’ve filled the interstates
in them they the americorps vaccines they took
us to the moon the great society all these wonderful civics thanks they have voted you know there are all image now bull
people as they vote all the time frame old people in american history don’t
always vote all the time injustice generation that those incidents of the
generation gives birth to well they are then followed him as the
sometimes is our younger sibling sometimes their children but they are followed but we call the
artist archetype and these are the war children these are the children of war born just
two leon just to lead to participate fifth charters in their conduct in the
war and just to burley to uh… bug i think that early enough to actually
experienced the quot places to turn it in history there we go
and you can see how they’re all located these tend to be conformist generations
young we’ve seen many other this is the fifties minister this was
the fifties and this is the so-called silent generation who were named a video store and william
manchester in time magazine in the early nineteen fifties silent they are our image of a silent generation is
children would be the little rascals shirley
temple very well-behaved kids and it’s a little
envelope with richard nixon tried to reach out to politically well gee i
don’t want to talk to the silent majority and and and the and he was
successful for a time as we remember they are and new generation always surprises
because okay that’s the role of those companies are never expecting this
sudden shift and your favorite and the silent generation surprised
everyone because when they came to college right after world war two there motto is no longer we want to change the system during the
communist party conquer half the world to the big things that you guys want to
do their motto was we don’t want to change the system we
want to work within the system and fortune magazine and a cover story
in nineteen forty nine called the college class of forty nine and suppose taking no chances their first interviews in initially reserved for jobs is a vet
pension plans are so so this generation of love for minister left a short break and when
i would like to get raw form there so that generation silent interaction
benny’s birthday or is followed by is followed by the profit architect and of course very
recently in american history these are boomers we’ve seen this pattern again and again
in american history of the generation born after the great crisis with no
memory of it indulge in the race for the time of high
material affluence they come engaged triggering the next great religious or
cultures creating throw rock-throwing listens and this is that if this is this
is the hip businesses if this is the that my daughter is she’s revolution become a major tacking the institution
of their elders the reshape not the outer world of
institutions that reshape the world of culture values and religion and they spend the rest of their life is
culture warriors i mean come on this israelis on the right now and i said
this is the bombers yet and the boomers are interned followed by the generation who are children during the awakening these are the little kids when older
people are discovering themselves and having visions of the new truth getting
in touch with themselves these are usually i like the silent
generation which are overprotective this archetype of the carbon nomad
architect it’s and you’re protected and this is generation x_ we see the same pattern and we see again and again these are
generation arraylist and this is the survivors free agents and and this could
be also the calvin coolidge warren harding that there are lost and they
were later called a lost generation who who is excesses who’ve whose financial excesses
in seeking wealth and and material prosperity led to the great depression and world
war two so the psychological over exact frisky
rest of the roaring twenties and into the great it was generation x_ along with their
mersey gave rise to the roaring back east uh… and then the ela was right and then finally look we have
a meltdown we have the bursting of bubbles and we’re living through the
aftermath of that in these four generations recurring to take this all
the way back to the to the war the roses to eight b
at what we what what is going to get that we take it back actually did that
to the through the to the renaissance and we believe it not only occurs
inserted american anglo history it occurs in
other societies as well in fact we can talk about that later these all across the world today and you know it is globally many of the
same kinds of generation for a generation types emerging threat not just english-speaking word
world but all of europe including russia and in china training is obsessed with generations
vision shock about that because it’s fascinating to do it at their version at
different times widely different times within these particular areas is
actually have a rough correspondent powell in a little later in these other
countries in america but evrythng correspondents fascinating this as a
remarkable you wrote this book was published in
nineteen seventy four nineteen ninety six is probably wrote this in ninety
five six we romanticize ninety six it’s a book of course as you know in the
book we predicted that’s what i want to read a if i’m if justices set up for the next seven is
we’ve we’ve got about a minute here to the break it’s already like to just share this with our with our viewers
though because i remember reading this and thinking
what will see are now looking back at it blows my mind you wrote back in nineteen ninety-five
the next four th turning his due to begin shortly after the new millennium
after the year two thousand five sudden sparkle catalysed a crisis mood remnants
of the old social order will disintegrate political and economic trustful imploded real hardship will be set the land was
severely distressed that could involve questions of class race nation an empire yet this time of travel will bring seeds
of social rebirth hero americans will share regret about
raising the stakes resolute new consensus about what to do and a very
survival of the nation will feel at stake somewhere sometimes
from before the year twenty twenty-five america will pass through a great day in
history commensurate with the american revolution the civil war between emerges
as the great depression will work to the risk of catastrophe will be very high
the nation could erupt into insurrection or superb civil violence crack up
geographically or succumb to a torturing role if there’s a war it is likely to be one of maximum risk
in efforts in other words a total war not this just is incredible it when we
come back meal idling on the other hand it could have a very
positive me clearly could solve all of our world power think this is the lesson of fourth
carries wishes and and and and i want to get into that what you know how did you see this coming and what where are we now know where we
go we’ll be right back here with neil howe in our conversations great

3 thoughts on “Neil Howe, Pt 1

  1. Hartmann is awesome! He is the only media peson I know of who has such a variety of guests.

    We need to have more public debate about generations. Demographics are destiny. We have lived through a time ruled by Boomers and part of the shift we're experiencing is that of the younger generations gaining power.

    BTW not all or even most Boomers were hippies. The fundamentalist backlash and the culture wars were also products of Boomers. Bush is the perfect example of a Boomer.

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