Oct. 9, 2019 – House of Assembly Proceedings

Oct. 9, 2019 – House of Assembly Proceedings


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ORDER, PLEASE. WE’LL NOW BEGIN WITH THE DAILY ROUTINING,
BEGINNING WITH PRESENTING AND READING OF PETITIONS. PRESENTING REPORTS OF
COMMITTEES. THE HONOURABLE CHAIR OF THE HUMAN RESOURCES
COMMITTEE? // THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER, ON
BEHALF OF THE STANDING — THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. ON BEHALF
OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE FOR HUMAN RESOURCES, I’M PLEASED TO
SUBMIT THE ANNUAL REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE FOR THE PERIOD FROM
SEPTEMBER 2018 TO AUGUST 2019 OF THE 63rd GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. The Speaker: THE REPORT IS
TABLED. TABLES REPORTS, REGULATIONS, AND OTHER PAPERS.
STATEMENTS BY MINISTERS. THE
HONOURABLE MINISTER OF LEADER. // I BEG LEAVE TO TABLE A
REPORT. Mr. SPEAKER, I HEREBY BEG LEAVE TO TABLE A REPORT
TITLED GUIDELINES FOR NOVA SCOTIA UNIVERSITIES, DEVELOPMENT
OF SURVIVAL CENTRIC POLICIES AND RESPONSES.
The Speaker: THE REPORT IS TABLED. STATEMENTS BY
MINISTERS. GOVERNMENT NOTICES OF MOTION. THE HONOURABLE
MINISTER OF HEALTH. // THANK YOU. Mr. SPEAKER,
MAY I MAKE AN INTRODUCTION. The Speaker: PERMISSION
GRANTED. // THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO
DRAW THE MEMBERS’ ATTENTION TO THE EAST GALLERY AND ASK THAT
THE SPECIAL GUESTS RISE AS I INTRODUCE THEM AND STAY STANDING
UNTIL WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THEM A WARM WELCOME.
SUSAN WILSON IS THE PREDICT COORDINATOR OF THE SEXUAL
ASSAULT NURSE EXAMINER FROM THE NOVA SCOTIA HEALTH AUTHORITY.
SHANA VENITO, TRICOUNTY WOMEN’S
CENTRE. JOANNE CORMIER, VON. AND REBECCA DROUIN ALSO WITH THE
VON. IF I COULD ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO PLEASE PROVIDE
THEM A WARM WELCOME. [ Applause ] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MINISTER OF HEALTH. // THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER, I
HERE BY GIVE NOTICE ON A FUTURE DAY I SHALL MOVE THE FOLLOWING
ADOPTION. WHEREAS NOVA SCOTIANS WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED SEXUALIZED
VIOLENCE REQUIRE SPECIALIZED EMERGENCY CARE AND NEED TO BE
ABLE TO ACCESS THAT CARE ANYWHERE IN THE PROVINCE AND
WHEREAS SEXUAL ASSAULT NURSE EXAMINERS OFTEN REFERRED TO AS SANEs, PROVIDE SUPPORTIVE
CARE, MEDICAL ATTENTION, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS WELL
AS EVIDENCE COLLECTION AND WHEREAS ON SITE SAME SERVICES
EXPANDING ACROSS THE PROVINCE AND IS NOW AVAILABLE IN 13
HOSPITALS AND HEALTH OFFICERS, IF HE ANYONE WISHING TO ACCESS A
SEAN NURSE CAN CONTACT THEM 7 DAYS A WEEK. THEREFORE, BE WITH
RESOLVED THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE RECOGNIZE THE
IMPORTANCE OF THE SANE PROGRAM AND THE WORK OF OUR SANE
PACKAGE. I REQUEST WAIVER. The Speaker: IT IS AGREED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOUR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
CONTRARY MINDED, NAY? MOTION IS CARRIED.
[ Applause ] THE HORRIBLE MINISTER OF LABOUR
AND ADVANCED EDUCATION. // PERMISSION TO MAKE AN
INTRODUCTION. IN THE EAST GALLERY, WE ARE JOINED BY PAULA
BARRIE MERCER FROM MOUNT ISN’T VINCENT UNIVERSITY. AS WELL, WE
HAVE ASSOCIATE MINISTER OF ADVANCED EDUCATION. COLETTE
ROBERTS, SEXUAL VIOLENCE COORDINATOR. STATUS OF WOMEN,
LESLIE POWERRIER McLAREN, STATUS OF WOMEN, LINDA SKINNER,
ANTIC SCHOOL OF THEOLOGY. CLANCY McDONNELL WHO IS WITH
STUDENTS NOVA SCOTIA. JORDAN ROBERTS SEXUALIZED RESPONSE
PREVENTION OFFICER. SHANNAN PRINGLE, SUPPORT CENTRE AT
DALHOUSIE UNIVERSITY. PETER HALPEN, SENIOR POLICY ANALYST
WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. Mr. SPEAKER, I ASK THAT THEY
RECEIVE THE WARM WELCOME OF THE HOUSE.
[ Applause ] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MINISTER OF LABOUR AND ADVANCED EDUCATION.
// I HERE BY GIVE NOTICE I SHALL MOVE THE ADOPTION OF THE
FOLLOWING RESOLUTION, WHEREAS STUDENTS DESERVE TO FEEL SAFE ON
OUR UNIVERSITY AND COLLEGE CAMPUSES AND WHEREAS SEXUAL
VIOLENCE IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE AND THE PROVINCIAL SEXUAL
VIOLENCE PREVENTION COMMITTEE’S EXPERTISE HAS BEEN USED TO
DEVELOP GUIDELINES AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL
CHAMPION A CHANGE AND A CULTURE AND STRONG SURVIVOR CENTRIC
POLICIES FOR POST-SECONDARY INSTITUTIONS. AND WHEREAS THIS
GOVERNMENT UNDER THE 2019 TO 2024 MOU WITH UNIVERSITIES HAS
COMMITTED MONEY TO SUPPORT THE INSTITUTIONS IN THE DEVELOPMENT
OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE PREVENTION EXPERTISE ON CAMPUS. THEREFORE
BE IT RESOLVED THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THIS LEGISLATURE RECOGNIZE
THE MEMBERS OF THE PROVINCIAL SEXUAL VIOLENCE PREVENTION
COMMITTEE AND THEIR IMPORTANT WORK TO ENSURE STUDENTS IN OUR
PROVINCE CAN LEARN IN ENVIRONMENTS FREE FROM SEXUAL
VIOLENCE. Mr. SPEAKER, I ASK FOR WAIVER OF NOTICE AND PASSAGE
WITHOUT DEBATE. The Speaker: THERE HAS BEEN A
REQUEST FOR WAIVERS. AGREED? IT IS AGREED. WOULD ALL THOSE
IN FAVOUR OF THE MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE. CONTRARY MINDED, NAY.
MOTION IS CARRIED. [ Applause ] THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF
BUSINESS. // THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I
HERE BY GIVE NOTICE ON A FUTURE DAY I SHALL MOVE THE ADOPTION OF
THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION. WHEREAS TOURISM NOVA SCOTIA IS
WORKING WITH BUSINESSES, COMMUNITIES, AND ALL LEVELS OF
GOVERNMENT TO GROW TOURISM REVENUES IN THIS PROVINCE BY
ATTRACTING VISITORS THROUGH AD CAMPAIGNS AND USING TRAVEL
WRITERS AND INFLUENCERS TO TELL OUR STORIES BY CREATING UNIQUE
EXPERIENCES THAT INSPIRE TRAVELERS TO BOOK A NOVA SCOTIA
VACATION. AND WHEREAS THE NOVA SCOTIA LOBSTER CRAWL ORGANIZED
BY THE SOUTH SHORE TOURISM COOPERATIVE IS AN EVENT THAT IS
HELPING TO EXTEND THE TOURISM SEASON BY DRAWING MORE RESIDENTS
TO THE REGION. AND WHEREAS TOURISM NOVA SCOTIA RECENTLY
DECEIVE DESTINATION CANADA’S AWARD OF EXCELLENCE FOR ITS
MEDIA CAMPAIGN PROMOTING THE NOVA SCOTIA LOBSTER CRAWL AS
WELL AS AN INDIVIDUAL NOMINATION FOR MEDIA RELATIONS SPECIALIST.
IT WAS ALSO ANNOUNCED THE WORD CLASS EXPERIENCE ACCELERATED
PROGRAM IS A FINALIST FOR THE ASSOCIATION OF CANADA’S 2019
TOURISM NOTIFICATION AWARD. THE WINDOW — INNOVATION AWARD.
THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT ALL MEMBERS THE ASSEMBLY
CONGRATULATE TOURISM NOVA SCOTIA AND FOR LEADING THE INDUSTRY TO
ACHIEVE RECORD TOURISM GROWTHS FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.
Mr. SPEAKER, I REQUEST WAIVER OF NOTICE AND PASSAGE WITHOUT
DEBATE. The Speaker: IT IS AGREED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOUR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE.
CONTRARY-MINDED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION IS CARRIED. THE
HONOURABLE MINISTER OF BUSINESS. // THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I
HERE BY GIVER NOTICE THAT I SHALL MOVE THE ADOPTION OF THE
FOLLOWING RESOLUTION. WHEREAS TOURISM IS A HUGE ECONOMIC
DRIVER IN NOVA SCOTIA THAT EMPLOYS PEOPLE IN EVERY CORNER
OF OUR PROVINCE AND OUR ENTIRE TOURISM INDUSTRY IS WORKING HARD
TO CREATE UNIQUE EXPERIENCES AND SHOWCASE THEM TO AN
INTERNATIONAL AUDIENCE, WHEREAS GLOBAL TRAVELERS HAVE SPOKEN AND
CAPE BRETON ISLAND HAS BEEN NAMED THE NUMBER 1 ISLAND IN THE
AMERICAS IN THE READER’S CHOICE AWARD.
[ Applause ] EVERYONE IN CAPE BRETON KNOWS
THIS STUFF ALREADY, GUYS. COMMONLY KNOWN AS THE BEST OF
THE BEST OF TRAVEL AND AN AWARD VOTED ON BY OVER 600,000 READERS
WORLDWIDE. AND WHEREAS EARLIER THIS YEAR, CAPE BRETON WAS ALSO
NAMED THE NUMBER 1 ISLAND DESTINATION IN CANADA AND 8th
IN THE WORLD BY READERS OF TRAVEL AND LEISURE MAGAZINE.
THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THE NOVA SCOTIA
ASSEMBLY CONGRATULATE THE FANTASTIC OPERATORS, BUSINESSES,
AND COMMUNITIES IN CAPE BRETON, DESTINATION CAPE BRETON
ASSOCIATION, AND TOURISM NOVA SCOTIA FOR THE INTERNATIONAL
RECOGNITION OF THEIR EXCEPTIONAL VISITOR EXPERIENCES THAT ARE
DRAWING TRAVELERS FROM AROUND THE WORLD AND SUPPORTING
ECONOMIC PROSPERITY IN OUR COMMUNITIES. Mr. SPEAKER, I
ASK FOR WAIVER OF NOTICE AND ASK FOR PASSAGE WITHOUT DEBATE.
The Speaker: ALL THOSE IS FAVOUR OF THE MOTION? MOTION IS
CARRIED. THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF
IMMIGRATION. // Mr. SPEAKER, I HERE BY
GIVES INS THAT ON A FUTURE DAY, I SHALL MOVE THE ADOPTION OF THE
FOLLOWING RESOLUTION. WHEREAS SARAH CORNING, A NATIVE FROM
YARMOUTH COUNTY SAVED AND CARED FOR THOUSANDS OF ARMENIAN,
GREEK, AND SYRIAN REFUGEES AND ORPHANS BETWEEN THE YEARS OF
1919 TO 1930, AND WHEREAS FOR HER WORK, Mrs. CORNING
RECEIVED THE SILVER CROSS MEDAL OF THE REDEEMER FROM KING GEORGE
II OF GREECE IN 1923 AND IN 2011, THE ARMENIAN-CANADIAN
COMMUNITY ESTABLISHED THE SARAH CORNING CENTRE FOR GENOCIDE
EDUCATION IN TORONTO AND NAMED HER POSTHUMOUSLY AS THE
OUTSTANDING CANADIAN FOR 2017 AND WHEREAS ON A
SEPTEMBER 14th, 2019, THE SARAH CORNING SOCIETY COHOSTED
THE COMMEMORATION EVENTS IN COLLABORATION WITH THE TOWN OF
YARMOUTH AND THE YARMOUTH COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY, INCLUDING
THE COMMISSIONING AND UNVEILING OF A LIFE-SIZED BRONZE STATUE OF
SARAH CORNING WITH TWO SMALL CHILDREN ON THE GROUNDS OF THE
YARMOUTH COUNTY MUSEUM AND ARCHIVES. THEREFORE, BE IT
RESOLVED THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY JOIN ME IN
CONGRATULATING THE CO-CHAIRS OF THE SARAH CORNING SOCIETY FOR
COMMEMORATING AND PRESERVING THE LEGACY OF THIS OUTSTANDING NOVA
SCOTIAN. Mr. SPEAKER, I ASK FOR WAIVER OF NOTICE AND PASSAGE
WITHOUT DEBATE. The Speaker: THERE HAS BEEN A
REQUEST FOR WAIVERS IS. IT AGREED? IT IS AGREED. WOULD
ALL THOSE IN FAVOUR OF THE MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
CONTRARY-MINDED, NAY. MOTION IS CARRIED.
[ Applause ] THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF
EDUCATION ON AN INTRODUCTION. // I’D LIKE TO BRING THE HOUSE’S
ATTENTION TO THE EASTERN GALLERY WHERE WE ARE JOINED BY A FRIEND
OF MINE WHO IS AN ACTIVE MEMBER ON THE YARMOUTH AND AREA CHAMBER
OF COMMERCE, DOCTOR RECRUITMENT COMMITTEE WHICH HELPED US SECURE
$75,000 FROM OUR GOVERNMENT TO INVEST IN DOCTOR RECRUITMENT
LOCALLY. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICER FOR THE MUNICIPALITY OF
ARGYLE, GREAT SUPPORTER OF OUR FISHING INDUSTRY, WHO HELPS
NUMEROUS FISHERMEN WITH APPLICATIONS TO THE FISHERIES
FUND AND WHO IS ALSO OUR FORMER CANDIDATE FOR BARRINGTON ARGYLE.
I’D LIKE THE HOUSE TO JOIN ME IN WELCOMING CHARLENE LEBLANC HERE.
[ Applause ] The Speaker: INTRODUCTION OF
BILLS. THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF JUSTICE.
// THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. Mr. SPEAKER, I BEG LEAVE TO
INTRODUCE A BILL TITLED AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 1 1992
SUPPLEMENT OF THE REVISED STATUTES, 1989, THE HOUSE OF
ASSEMBLY ACT. The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MINISTER OF JUSTICE BEGS LEAVE TO INTRODUCE A BILL ENTITLED AN
ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 1 OF THE 1992 SUPPLEMENT OF THE REVISED
STATUTES 1989 THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY ACT.
// BILL NUMBER 187, ENTITLED AN ACT TO AMEND CHAPTER 1, 1992
SUPPLEMENT OF THE REVISED STATUTES OF 1989, THE HOUSE OF
ASSEMBLY ACT. The Speaker: ORDERED THIS BILL
BE READ AT A SECOND TIME ON A FUTURE DAY. THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR CAPE BRETON CENTRE. // THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER.
Mr. SPEAKER, I BEG LEAVE TO INTRODUCE A BILL ENTITLED AN ACT
RESPECTING PHYSICIAN ASSISTANCE. The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR CAPE BRETON CENTRE BEGS LEAVE TO INTRODUCE A BILL
ENTITLED AN ACT RESPECTING PHYSICIAN ASSISTANCE.
// BILL NUMBER 188, ENTITLED AN ACT RESPECTING PHYSICIAN
ASSISTANCE. The Speaker: ORDERED THAT THE
BILL BE READ A SECOND TIME ON A FUTURE DAY.
/// WELL FOR YOU MOVE ON TO NOTICES OF MOTION. STATEMENTS
BY MEMBERS. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HAMMOND PLAINS
LUCASVILLE. // THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I
BEG LEAVE TO MAKE AN INTRODUCTION.
The Speaker: PERMISSION GRANTED.
// QUICKLY, FOLKS, THROUGH THE CHAIR, I’D LIKE TO INTRODUCE
SOPHIA LYNNFIELD, SHE’S SITTING IN OUR EAST GALLERY. SHE’S A
GRADE 11 STUDENT FROM STILLWATER LAKE, A COMMUNITY THAT I
REPRESENT. A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I WAS KNOCKING ON DOORS AND
I MET HER AND HER FAMILY AT THEIR FAMILY HOME AND A COUPLE
OF YEARS LATER, SHE REACHED OUT AND ASKED IF SHE COULD GET A
LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVED AND LEARN A BIT ABOUT THE WORK THAT
WE DO HERE IN THE HOUSE, SO PLEASE WELCOME HER.
[ Applause ] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR KINGS NORTH. // I RISE TODAY AND ACKNOWLEDGE
THE TIME AND COMMITMENT TIME DAGOODY HAS PUT IN TO ORGANIZE
THE TERRY FOX EVENTS OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS TO DATE, OVER
$750 MILLION HAS BEEN RAISED WORLDWIDE FOR CANCER RESEARCH IN
TERRY’S NAME THROUGH THE ANNUAL TERRY FOX RUN HELD THROUGHOUT
CANADA AND AROUND THE WORLD. IN 2017, TERRY FOX’ BROTHER WAS
IN — IN 2007, WE HOSTED TERRY FOX’S BROTHER AND THIS YEAR, HIS
NIECE GEEZSY JESSE WAS HERE TO CELEBRATE EVENTS. THE OFFICIAL
TERRY FOX RUN FUNDRAISING EVENT OCCURRED ON THE SUNDAY. THESE
EVENTS WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE EFFORTS PUT FORTH BY
TIM AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK HIM FOR HIS CONTINUED SUPPORT IN
THIS OPINION FUNDRAISER. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER.
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX CHEBUCTO.
// THANK YOU. I NOTE TODAY IS THE DAY OF ATONEMENT OBSERVED
ANNUALLY IN THE JEWISH FAITH. HASHANAH, A CELEBRATORY CYCLE
THAT SELLS THE JEWISH PEOPLE. YOM KIPPUR IS A MORE SOLEMN
OCCASION CENTERED ON SERIOUS REFLECTION ON ONE’S PAST
MISDEEDS OR MORAL FAILINGS, ALONG WITH A FERVENT PRAYER FOR
FORGIVENESS. IN THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF LIVITICUS, ON THIS
DAY, HE WILL FORGIVE, TO PURIFY YOU, THAT YOU BE CLEANSED FOR
ALL YOUR SINS BEFORE GOD. WE ALL KNOW SEEKING FORGIVENESS IS
TIED TO REPEN TANS. THE HEBREW WORD IS — A PENETRATING BLAST
CALLS WORSHIPERS TO FOCUS WITH A RAM’S BLAST. MAY WE ALL ENJOY A
SWEET CHEER. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER.
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX ATLANTIC.
// I’D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE SPECIAL LEADERS. I’D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE
AND HIGHLIGHT THE HARD WORK OF ANDREA FEN NELL. NOT ONLY IS
ANDREA AN OUTSTANDING MOM BUT ALSO A TIRELESS VOLK FOR MENTAL
HEALTH. ANDREA IS ON THE LOOP ASSOCIATION OF SPRY FIELD, AN
SOCIAL THAT WORKS WITH THE LOCAL COMMUNITY TO ADVOCATE FOR AND
BRING MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES TO THE GROUND LEVEL FOR PEOPLE WHO
NEED IT THE MOST. ANDREA ALSO HEADS UP A MONTHLY WALK AND TALK
AT LONG LAKE PROVINCIAL TALK. EVERY MONTH, SHE INVITES A GUEST
AND PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY TO JOIN HER FOR A TALK ON THEIR
PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH MENTAL HEALTH AND THEN GO FOR A WALK IN
THE PARK. Mr. SPEAKER, IT IS A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO LIFT THE
STIGMA AROUND MENTAL HEALTH. THANK YOU, ANDREA, FOR ALL YOU
DO. YOU TRULY ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND YOU’RE
MAKING OUR COMMUNITY A BETTER BLAIS. THANK YOU, Mr.
SPEAKER. The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR COLE HARBOUR EASTERN PASSAGE.
// I RISE TODAY TO CONGRATULATE CONSTITUENT IAN KENT OF EASTERN
PASSAGE ALONG WITH TWO OTHER ATHLETES FOR REPRESENTING CANADA
AT THE 2019 PARAPAN AM GAMES. THE GAMES WERE HELD FROM
AUGUST 23rd TO SEPTEMBER 1st IN LIMA, PERU. IAN KENT IS NOT
NEW TO THE PARAPAN AM GAMES. HE’S WON MEDDLED THREE TIMES
BEFORE. THIS YEAR, IAN ACHIEVED HIS 1,000th ONE IN TABLE
TENNIS AS HE EARNED A BRONZE MEDAL AT THE PARAPAN AM GAMES.
I ASK ALL MEMBERS OF THE NOVA SCOTIA LEGISLATURE TO JOIN ME IN
CONGRATULATES IAN KENT FOR ALL OF HIS HARD WORK AND DEDICATION
TO THE SPORT OF TABLE TENNIS AND FOR REPRESENTING CANADA SO WELL.
THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH SOUTH. // Mr. SPEAKER, I RISE TO
OFFER MY SYMPATHIES TO THE GERMAN PEOPLE AND THE
GERMAN-JEWISH COMMUNITY IMPACTED TODAY BY AN ARMED ATTACK. OUR
THOUGHTS ARE WITH JEWISH COMMUNITIES AROUND THE WORLD WHO
ARE GATHERED TODAY TO MARK YOM KIPPUR. OUR SYNAGOGUES,
MOSQUES, CHURCHES, AND TEMPLES SHOULD BE PLACES OF SAFETY.
ANTI-SEMITISM, RACISM, AND VIOLENCE HAVE NO PLACE IN OUR
COMMUNITIES. I WILL CONTINUE TO STAND WITH THOSE WHO WORK HARD
TO ADVANCE AND CELEBRATE DIVERSITY AND TO BUILD INCLUSIVE
SPACES AND I KNOW MY COLLEAGUES IN THIS CHAMBER WILL JOIN ME IN
THAT EFFORT. [ Applause ]
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR LUNENBURG.
// Mr. SPEAKER. I RISE TODAY TO RECOGNIZE SELENA DAVIS, AN
EDUCATOR AT BAYVIEW COMMUNITY SCHOOL WHO RECEIVED A PHYSICAL
AND HEALTH EDUCATION NATIONAL AWARD FOR TEACHING EXCELLENCE IN
PHYSICAL EDUCATION. THIS AWARD HONOURS CANADIAN TEACHERS WHO
PROVIDE OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCE WHO HAVE AN EXCEPTIONAL ABILITY
TO MOTIVATE STUDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN A LIFETIME OF
PHYSICAL ACTIVITY AND WHO FURTHER PHYSICAL EDUCATION IN
CANADA. ANYONE WHO KNOWS HER IS WELL AWARE OF HER PASSION FOR
PHYSICAL EDUCATION. SHE SPENDS COUNTLESS HOURS COACHING AND
ORGANIZING CURRICULAR SPORTING EVENTS FOR STUDENTS OF ALL AGES.
SHE WAS AWARDED WITH THIS WORK AT THE 2019 CONFERENCE HELD IN
MONTREAL THIS PAST MAY. Mr. SPEAKER, I ASK THAT YOU AND
MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY JOIN ME IN
CONGRATULATING HER. THANK YOU. The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR VICTORIA OF THE LAKES.
// Mr. SPEAKER, MARJORIE OF BADDECK AND HER VOLUNTEER TEAM
BRING LIGHT IN MANY WAYS THROUGH THEIR VOLUNTEERING. SHE IS
CHAIR OF THE LIGHTING THE WAY CHARITY GOVERNMENT TOURNAMENT.
ON AUGUST 23rd, OVER 100 GOLFERS TOOK PART IN THE
TOURNAMENT HELD AT THE GOLF CLUB, FOLLOWED BY A DINNER
RECEPTION FOR GOLFERS AND SPONSORS AT THE RESORT.
MARJORIE AND HER TEAM NOT ONLY ACHIEVED THE IR, GOAL, THEY
SURPASSED IT. THE GREAT SUCCESS LED THE FOUNDATION TO MAKE A
COMMITMENT TO RAISE A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE
HOSPITAL FOUNDATION. I RISE TODAY TO GIVE SPECIAL THANKS TO
MARJORIE, HER TEAM, THE GOLFERS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS. THANK
YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. [ Applause ]
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH NORTH.
// MAY I MAKE AN INTRODUCTION. The Speaker: PERMISSION
GRANTED. // THANK YOU. TODAY IN THE
HOUSE AND IN THE GALLERY AND THE GALLERY OPPOSITE, WE HAVE
JOINING US ROCKIS. HA BIONA. SHE’S VISITING US FROM
THORNHILL, ONTARIO, AND SHE’S HERE THIS WEEK IN HALIFAX TO
CELEBRATE THE UNITED WAY HALIFAX FOUNDATION AWARDS WHICH WERE
PRESENTED ON MONDAY AT THE HALIFAX CENTRAL LIBRARY. AND I
ASKED THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE TO GIVE HER A WARM WELCOME AND
THANK HER FOR HER GENEROSITY IN HONOURING THE WORKERS IF OUR
SOCIAL NOT FOR PROFIT SECTOR. [ Applause ] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH NORTH. // Mr. SPEAKER, I RISE TODAY
TO PAY TRIBUTE TO THE EVERY DAY HEROES OF OUR NOVA SCOTIA
COMMUNITIES. THOSE WHO WORK IN FRONT LINE JOBS IN THE SOCIAL
NOT FOR PROFIT SECTOR AND TO THANK THEM FOR THE CONTRIBUTION
THEY MAKE THROUGH THEIR COMMITMENT, LEADERSHIP, AND
CREATIVITY. ON MONDAY, SERF OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE HONOURED
BY BIONA FAMILY FOUNDATION IN AN AWARD THAT RECOGNIZES THE
EXTRAORDINARY CONTRIBUTIONS THEY MAKE IN CITIES ALL ACROSS THE
COUNTRY. EACH PERSON RECEIVED A PLAQUE AND A THOUSAND DOLLARS
FOR THEIR DEDICATION, INNOVATION, LEADERSHIP, TEAM
WORK. THANKS TO TIM LITTLE, CORY WRITE, BONNIE HILL, JESSE
DALE, CARRIE BAGGENBOARD. BEV CADDEN, AND DAVE GREEN. AND
SPECIAL THANKS DOES GO TO ROSHA BIONA AND HER FAMILY FOR
RECOGNIZING THE OFTEN UNSUNG WORK. THANK YOU.
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER?
// Mr. SPEAKER, I WISH TO CONGRATULATE A LOCAL BUSINESS
OWNER IN CLAYTON PARK WEST THAT HAS DONE AN.
Amanda: JOB AT CARRYING ON A LEGACY THAT PRECEDES HER BY FOUR
DECADES. JANE CHEN IS THE OWNER OF CHINA TOWN ON THE BEDFORD
HIGHWAY AND HAS BEEN FOR THE PAST 11 YEARS. THE RESTAURANT
MOVED ITS LOCATION DOWN THE ROAD LAST APRIL TO TAKE OVER THE
BUILDING THAT WAS ONCE USED BY FEED NOVA SCOTIA. THE ORIGINAL
CHINA TOWN OPENED IN 1971 BY ANOTHER CHINESE-CANADIAN FAMILY.
CHINA TOWN HAS HOSTED COUNTLESS DIG
DIGNITARIES AND IMPORTANT EVENTS…. I KNOW THAT CHINA
TOWN HAS ALWAYS SUPPORTED THE LOCAL COMMUNITY ON NUMEROUS
OCCASIONS, INCLUDING THEIR MOST SUCCESSFUL FUNDRAISER. AS PART
OF THEIR GRAND OPENING IN APRIL, THEY DONATED $1 FROM EACH BILL
FOR THE PERIOD OF THREE MONTHS TO THE SAME CAUSE. Mr.
SPEAKER, WOULD THIS HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY JOIN ME IN APPLAUDING
JANE CHEN ON HER COUNTLESS MILESTONES AND SUCCESS AS A
RESTAURANT OWNER. THANK YOU. [ Applause ]
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR PICTOU CENTRE IN.
// Mr. SPEAKER, I RISE IN THE LEGISLATURE TODAY TO RECOGNIZE
TWO PICTOU CENTRE CONSTITUENTS, LESLIE SOLEBY AND RICHARDSON.
THEY RECEIVED TWO INCREDIBLE AWARDS IN TORONTO IN NOVEMBER.
LESLIE WILL BE PRESENTED WITH THE JIM THOMPSON AWARD WHICH IS
GIVEN TO AN OPERATIONAL VOLUNTEER WHO HAS MADE A
SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE SPECIAL OLYMPICS MOVEMENT
LOCALLY, PROVINCIALLY, AND NATIONALLY. TERRY WILL RECEIVE
THE HARRY RED FOSTER AWARD WHICH IS PRESENTED TO THE INDIVIDUAL
WHO BEST EXEMPLIFIES THE SPIRIT, PHILOSOPHY, AND GOALS OF THE
SPECIAL OLYMPICS MOVEMENT. I WOULD ASK ALL MEMBERS OF THIS
LEGISLATURE TO JOIN ME AND THANKLESSLY AND TERRY FOR THAYER
I DOS OF DEDICATION AND COMMITMENT TO THE SPECIAL
OLYMPICS MOVEMENT. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER.
[ Applause ] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR HALIFAX NEEDHAM. // Mr. SPEAKER, I WISH TO
EXTEND WARM CONGRATULATIONS TO CHRISTINE SAULNIER, THE
CANDIDATE FOR THE NDP IN THE FEDERAL RIDING OF HALIFAX ON
BEING RECOGNIZED AS A GREEN NEW DAILY CHAMPION BY OUR TIME. OUR
TIME IS A MOVEMENT OF YOUNG CANADIANS WHO ARE ORGANIZING TO
PUSH FOR JUST, SWIFT, AND PROGRESSIVE ACTION TO ADDRESS
THE CLIMATE CRISIS. THEY ARE RESEARCHING THEIR OPTIONS,
WRITING LETTERS TO THE EDITOR, ATTENDING AND ORGANIZING DEBATES
AND MAKING PLANS TO VOTE FOR A GREEN NEW DEAL. ACROSS CANADA,
THEY HAVE ENDORSED JUST 35 CHAMPIONS. CANDIDATES NOMINATED
THROUGH A GRASSROOTS PROCESS WHO THEY JUDGE TO BE BOLD LEADERS
WILLING TO TAKE RISKS AND WORK ACROSS PARTY LINES TO TACKLE THE
CLIMATE EMERGENCY. CHRISTINE SAULNIER NOW JOINS THE NDP
CANDIDATE EMMA NORTON AS THE ONLY TWO GREEN NEW DEAL
CHAMPIONS IN NOVA SCOTIA. I WISH HER WELL IN THE UPCOMING
ELECTION. THANK YOU. [ Applause ]
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR YARMOUTH.
// THANK YOU VERY MUCH, Mr. SPEAKER. THE AIDEN MAY
FOUNDATION OF HOPE IS A NUMBER PROFIT ORGANIZATION IN YARMOUTH
WHOSE SUBMISSION TO PROVIDE SUPPORTIVE, SAFE, AND
NONJUDGMENTMENTAL ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOUTH CAN RECEIVE SUPPORT
AND GUIDANCE TO NAVIGATE MENTAL HEALTH AND WELLNESS. IT ALSO
PROVIDES PEER SUPPORT FOR PARENTS SO THEY CAN BETTER
NAVIGATE MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORTS FOR THEIR CHILDREN, ENSURING A
BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE FOR FAMILIES IT. WAS ESTABLISHED BY
KELLY AND SCOTT MITCHELL AFTER THE SUDDEN AND TRAGIC LOSS OF
THEIR DAUGHTER. SHE WAS AN ACTIVE STUDENT-ATHLETE AND
VOLUNTEER. SHE WAS DEAR FRIEND TO MANY AND A BELOVED AND
CHERISHED DAUGHTER AND GRANDDAUGHTER. HER SMILE AND
SPIRIT WERE A BEACON OF WHITE TO MANY AND SHE IS MISSED TERRIBLY
BY ALL WHO HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF KNOWING HER. I WOULD LIKE THE
ASSEMBLY TO JOIN ME IN THANKING KELLY AND SCOTT MITCHELL. OUR
COMMUNITY IS TRULY A BETTER PLACE BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE
THEM. THANK YOU. The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FROM DARTMOUTH EAST. // I RISE TODAY TO RECOGNIZE
DARTMOUTH EAST RESIDENT KEN HOFFER. HE IS THE CURRENT
PRESIDENT OF THE SOCIETY OF ATLANTIC HEROS. THIS FOUNDATION
PROVIDES HOUSING AND SUPPORT TO END Ms. OF THE CANADIAN ARMED
FORCES AND FIRST RESPONDERS FOR FACING EMOTIONAL CHALLENGES AND
DEALING WITH PTSD. KEN ALSO VOLUNTEERS FOR THE VETERANS
TRAINERS WHO ERADICATE THE USE OF CHILD SOLDIERS. A PROGRAM
THAT TEACHES VETERANS ABOUT THE USE OF CHILDREN IN WAR. THE
PROGRAM GIVES VETERANS THE SKILLS TO HELP WITH THE
TRANSITION TO CIVILIAN LIFE. Mr. SPEAKER, I WANT TO THANK
KEN HOFFER FOR HIS SERVICE AND ALL HE HAS DONE TO BETTER THE
LIVES OF VETERANS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND I ASK ALL MEMBERS
OF THE HOUSE TO RECOGNIZE HIS OUTSTANDING SERVICE TO CANADA.
THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. [ Applause ]
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CAPE BRETON CENTRE.
// THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. Mr. SPEAKER, THIS
MORNING, THE FEDERAL NDP LEADER JAGMEET SINGH ATTENDED THE
NATIONAL CONVENTION. CANADIAN UNION OF PUBLIC EMPLOYEES.
Mr. SINGH WAS GREETED BY OVER 3,000 LOCAL CHEERING YUKON
ACTIVISTS FROM ACROSS COUNTRY. AS I MEMBER OF CUPE, I’M SO END
COURAGED THAT Mr. SINGH WAS THERE. WE ARE ALSO WORKING TO
FIGHT FOR NEW UNIVERSAL PROGRAMS LIKE CHILD CARE. TOGETHER, THE
NDP AND THE LABOUR MOVEMENT HAVE MADE PROKE FOR THE WORKING CLASS
IN THIS COUNTRY. SO I BAND TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK THE
FEDERAL LEADER FOR TAKING TIME TO VISIT THE CUPE CONVENTION AND
FOR BOLDLY ARTICULATING HIS INVESTIGATION OF A FAIR AND JUST
CANADA. I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE OVER 700,000 CUPE MEMBERS
FROM COAST TO COAST WHO DELIVERY THE SERVICES CANADIANS RELY ON
EVERY DAY. [ Applause ] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR LUNENBURG WEST. // THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER.
Mr. SPEAKER, I RISE TODAY TO RECOGNIZE KRISTA AND JIM
STOCKMAN OF LUNENBURG COUNTY WHO REPRESENTED CANADA AT THE
SPECIAL OLYMPIC WORLD GAMES HELD IN UNITED ARAB EMIRATES IN ARE
MA OF THIS YEAR. KRISTA WHO IS A MEMBER OF SPECIAL OLYMPICS
LUNENBURG QUEENS AN INCREDIBLE SHOWING, CAPTURING SILVER IN
LEVEL FOUR INDIVIDUAL STROKE PLAY IN GOLF AND 4th OVERALL
IN THE WORLD. JIM, HER DAD, WAS HER COACH IT. WAS AN INCREDIBLE
FINISH CONSIDERING THAT KRISTA HAS ONLY BEEN PLAYING THE SPORT
FOR TWO YEARS. HER DAD, WHO HAS PLAYED LITTLE GOLF HIMSELF, SAYS
MY BIGGEST TASK WAS TO LEARN THE RULES FOR ALL SITUATIONS. HE
HAD A FEW SLEEPLESS NIGHTS. IT WAS AN AMAZING AWESOME TRIP OF A
LIFETIME ACCORDING TO JIM. KRISTA LOVED THE THEME PARKS AND
SHE ENJOYED TRADING AS MANY PINS AS POSSIBLE WITH PEOPLE SHE MET
FROM MANY COUNTRIES. KRISTA AND JIM ARE PREPARING FOR THE 2021
NATIONAL GAMES IN ALBERTA. CONGRATULATIONS TO KRISTA AND
JIM STOCKMAN ON THIS EXCEPTIONAL ACHIEVEMENT AND THANK YOU FOR
PROUDLY REPRESENTING NOVA SCOTIA AND CANADA ON THE WORLD STAGE.
THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. The Speaker: JUST BEFORE WE GO
ON TO THE NEXT MEMBER STATEMENT, IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION
BY THE TRUSTY CLERK THAT I HAD FORGOTTEN TO MENTION THE TOPIC
OF LATE DEBATE FOR THIS EVENING AT THE MOMENT OF INTERRUPTION AS
SUBMITTED BY THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR PICTOU WEST. THE
LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION. THE TOPIC IS
THEREFORE IT BE RESOLVED THAT THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT HAS
FAILED TO PROPERLY MANAGE THE NOVA SCOTIA FERRY CONTRACT,
CAUSING THE LOSS OF THE 2019 SAILING SEASON, CREATING
HARDSHIP FOR TOURISM OPERATORS AND COSTING THE PROVINCE
$19.9 MILLION. THE TOPIC OF LATE DEBATE BY THE — AT THE END
OF THE BUSINESS TODAY. HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR ARGUE
GUILE BARRINGTON — ARGYLE
BARRINGTON. // I RISE TODAY TO CONGRATULATE
THE FIRST LADY SHOOTING TRAP SHOOTING CHAMPION FROM THE
LABOUR DAY WEEKEND. SHE AND HER DAD CAME HOME WITH HARDWARE.
HERBY CLAIMED THE SUN VETERAN DOUBLES AND HANDICAP TROPHY.
The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR
ARGYLE-BARRINGTON HAS THE FLOOR. // THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER.
THE SHOOTER CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM 19 TO 27 YARDS AWAY FROM THE
TRAPHOUSE THAT RELEASES THE CLAY PIGEONS. THE FATHER AND
DAUGHTER DUO OFTEN COMPETE THROUGHOUT NOVA SCOTIA AND
BEYOND AT OTHER COMPETITIONS. THEY WON’T HAVE TO TRAVEL FAR
NEXT YEAR AT THE — FOR THE ATA CHAMPIONSHIPS AS IT WILL BE HELD
IN YARMOUTH. Mr. SPEAKER, I ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS OF THE
HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY TO JOIN ME IN CONGRATULATES JANAI AND HER
FATHER HERBY. THANK YOU. [ Applause ]
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH SOUTH.
// Mr. SPEAKER, FOR OVER 40 YEARS, THE DARTMOUTH GENERAL
HOSPITAL HAS PROVIDED — INCLUDING THE MANY MILITARY
SERVICE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITIES. I, LIKE MANY
CANADIANS WAS TROUBLED TO LEARN THAT FUNDING WAS CUT. THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT’S DECISION ALMOST CERTAINLY WILL EXACERBATE
THE ALREADY STRETCHED BEYOND CAPACITY STATUS OF OUR HEALTH
CARE GENERALLY AND OUR HOSPITALS SPECIFICALLY. ONE REGIONAL
HOSPITAL LOCATED NEAR A BASE IN ONTARIO ESTIMATES THIS CHANGE
COULD COST THEM $3.4 MILLION. I HOPE ALL MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE
WILL JOIN THE NDP CAUCUS IN OPPOSING THESE CUTS AND ENSURE
THE MANY NOVA SCOTIANS WHO SERVE IN THE CANADIAN FORCES GET THE
HELP THEY NEED. The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR BEDFORD. // THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER.
[ Please Stand By ] …>>SHE WAS VITAL IN THE
ESTABLISHMENT OF THE BLACK LOYALIST CENTRE IN BIRCH TOWN
AND WAS CALLED THE CENTRE’S MATRIARCH AND HEARTBEAT. IN
2017, ELIZABETH WAS APPOINTED TO THE ORDER OF CANADA FOR
CONTRIBUTIONS FOR PRESERVING BLACK HERITAGE AND EDUCATION IN
NOVA SCOTIA. SHE WAS ALSO HONOURED WITH THE ORDER OF NOVA
SCOTIA. THE CANADA 125 MEDAL, QUEEN ELIZABETH II DIAMOND
JUBILEE AND A DEGREE FROM MOUNT SAINT VINCENTS AND DALHOUSIE.
ELIZABETH WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR LIFE OF VISION, HARD WORK AND
COMPASSION AND LOVE. WE HOLD HER LOVED ONES IN OUR THOUGHTS.
MAY WE ASPIRE TO LIVE OUR LIVES SUCH AS SHE LIVED. THANK YOU,
MR. SPEAKER.
>>MR. SPEAKER, I BEG LEAVE TO MAKE AN INTRODUCTION.
The Speaker: PERMISSION GRANTED.
>>MR. SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THE HOUSE’S ATTENTION TO
THE WEST GALLERY WHERE UP IN THE CORNER THERE, THE WEST GALLERY,
I HAVE TWO OF MY ASSISTANTS WHO I WOULD ASK TO STAND UP. THEY
ALREADY ARE. AND I HAVE SANDRA DAVID, WHO IS MY ASSISTANT IN
CAPE BRETON RICHMOND WHO I WANT TO THANK VERY MUCH FOR ROLLING
WITH THE PUNCHES HERE, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST FEW
WEEKS. I WANT TO MENTION CASSANDRA IS ABOUT TO BECOME THE
COMMANDING OFFICER FOR THE 235 ROYAL CANADIAN SEA CADET CORPS,
WHICH IS A HUGE RESPONSIBILITY. I CONGRATULATE HER ON THAT
POSTING. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MY ASSISTANT,, A
FORMER TROUBLESHOOTER AND LEGAL
JOURNALIST WHICH IS COME IN HANDY. I APPRECIATE BOTH THEIR
INPUT INTO MY OFFICE IN THE LAST LITTLE WHILE. AND WOULD LIKE TO
GIVE A WARM WELCOME AND ASK THE MEMBERS TO DO SO AS WELL, IN
THIS HOUSE. [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CAPE BRETON RICHMOND.
>>MR. SPEAKER, THE GOVERNMENT OF NOVA SCOTIA IS COMMITTED TO A
HEALTHY, SAFE AND SUPPORTIVE WORKPLACE AND PROVIDING A WORK
ENVIRONMENT THAT VALUES DIVERSITY AND WHERE ALL PERSONS
ARE TREATED WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY. MR. SPEAKER, WE KNOW
THIS BASIC VALUE IS NOT ALWAYS IN PLACE AT EVERY WORKPLACE. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE
RESPECTFUL WORKPLACE POLICY WHICH PROVIDES THE RIGHT TO ALL
EMPLOYEES TO WORK IN AN ENVIRONMENT FREE FROM
HARASSMENT, SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND DISCRIMINATION. MR.
SPEAKER, RESPECTFUL WORKPLACE POLICY PROMOTING EMPLOYEE
INVOLVEMENT AND RESOLVING SITUATIONS. BUT AS WE KNOW,
SOME EMPLOYEES FEEL HELPLESS AND FEEL ASKING FOR HELP IS A SIGN
OF WEAKNESS OR WORSE WHEN THEY ASK, THEY ARE DENIED. MR.
SPEAKER, IN A TIME OF EDUCATION AND AWARENESS CAMPAIGNS ASSAULT
HARASSMENT AND ANTI-BULLYING. WE NEED TO DO BETTER, MR.
SPEAKER. WE NEED TO SUPPORT THOSE WHO SPEAK UP FOR
THEMSELVES AND NEVER PERMIT THEIR VOICES TO BE SILENCE.
THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CAPE BRETON CENTRE.
>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. MR. SPEAKER, LAST NIGHT THE NATIONAL
TV CREW WAS INTERVIEWING STAFF AND PATIENTS AT THE EMERGENCY
DEPARTMENT IN TRURO. THE SEGMENT BEING FILMED WAS FOCUSED
ON THE HEALTH-CARE CRISIS IN NOVA SCOTIA. THE EXTENT OF THE
FEDERAL PARTIES TO THE EXTENT THE FEDERAL PARTIES ARE OFFERING
SOLUTIONS. IN ALL MY YEARS WORKING IN THE HEALTH-CARE
SYSTEM, I CANNOT RECALL A SINGLE TIME THAT A TELEVISION CREW HAS
BEEN ALLOWED INTO A WORKING HOSPITAL TO DOCUMENT THE
CONDITIONS. BUT I BELIEVE THE CRISIS IN NOVA SCOTIA HAS
REACHED A POINT WHERE ALL BETS ARE OFF. DOCTORS AND NURSES
WERE TALKING TO THE JOURNALISTS ABOUT THE CONDITIONS THEY ARE
PROVIDING CARE IN BECAUSE THEY FEEL THEY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO
DRAW PUBLIC ATTENTION TO THIS SITUATION. ONE OF THE NURSES
SAID WE DON’T COME TO WORK HOPING THAT WE’RE GOING TO MAKE
PEOPLE WAIT EIGHT HOURS. WE DO OUR BEST. BUT WE’RE FACED WITH
CONDITIONS THAT WE JUST CAN’T DEAL WITH. MR. SPEAKER, THE
CRISIS IN OUR HEALTH-CARE SYSTEM IS REAL. AND MUST BE ADDRESSED
BY THIS GOVERNMENT BECAUSE WITHOUT ACTION, THINGS ARE ONLY
GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET WORSE. [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR GLACE BAY.
>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. BUSTER BOY, JUMPER BOY, SKATER
BOY, YANKEES BOY, FORTNITE BOY AND MA GOO. SOME OF THE NAMES
FOR DANIEL JEFFREY McLEGALEN McLELLAN.
HE IS WORKING AT ST. ANN’S ELEMENTARY AS WE SPEAK. HE WILL
CELEBRATE TODAY WITH HIS SISTER, HIS BIG SISTER GEORGIA AND
COUSINS. I’M SURE THEY WILL BE BOUNCING OFF THE WALLS THIS
EVENING AFTER CHOCOLATE CAKE. GOOD LUX TO LUCK TO MOM AND AUNT
PUTTING THEM TO BED. MR. SPEAKER, I CAN SPEAK FOR ALL OF
US. THE ROUGH TIMES IN HALIFAX BEING A LEGISLATURE DOING
IMPORTANT WORK. YOU MISS A LOT OF BIG THINGS. TO DANIEL AND
ALL OF OUR FAMILIES, WE MISS YOU. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, BUD.
[APPLAUSE] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR CUMBERLAND SOUTH.>>MR. SPEAKER, HOW CAN I FOLLOW
THAT? [LAUGHTER]
>>I RISE TODAY TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE ANN MURRAY CENTRE’S 30
ANNIVERSARY. THE CENTRE HAS HAD OVER 500,000 VISITORS SINCE JULY
1989. IT IS THE LONGEST OPERATING CENTRE DEDICATED TO
CANADIAN MUSIC ARTISTS IN THIS COUNTRY. ANN MET HER VIP FANS
FROM THROUGHOUT THE WORLD DURING HER MEET AND GREET AND LUNCHEON
AT THE COMMUNITY CENTRE WHICH I GRACIOUSLY ACCEPTED THE INVITE.
PLEASE JOIN ME IN CONGRATULATING THE ANN MURRAY CENTRE. THANK
YOU, MR. SPEAKER. [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR COLCHESTER NORTH.
>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. THE FIRST OKTOBERFEST WAS HELD IN
1980. UPSTAIRS AT THE NORTH SHOW RECREATION CENTRE WITH
HOSTS BY CLAIRE WITH 85 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE. A GERMAN COUPLE
DRESSED IN BAVARIAN DRESS PLAYED THEIR ACCORDIANS. IT WAS SO
POPULAR AS PEOPLE LEFT, THEY WANTED TO BUY TICKETS FOR THE
FOLLOWING YEAR. THE NEXT YEAR, ATTEND I CAN’T ANSWER GREW TO
129 PEOPLE. MR. SPEAKER, GERMAN MUSIC, FOOD AND TRADITIONAL
COSTUMES GIVE THIS FESTIVAL AN AUTHENTIC FEEL AND HAVE LED TO
ITS SUCCESS. IN 1983, THE MUELLERS AND THREE OTHER PEOPLE
FORMED THE NORTH SHORE BAVARIAN SOCIETY, OKTOBERFEST HAS
CONTINUED TO GROW AND BECOME A MAJOR EVENT AT THE NORTH SHORE.
THIS YEAR APPROXIMATELY 3,000 PEOPLE ATTENDED. QUITE A GROW,
MR. SPEAKER, FROM THE ORIGINAL 85. THE NORTH SHOW BAVARIAN
SOCIETY DONATED TO PROJECTS SUCH AS THE PURCHASE OF NEW STAGE AND
STORAGE CONTAINER AT THE REC CENTRE. 5,000 TO THE
ENHANCEMENT OF THE REGIONAL ACADEMY. AND $4,000 TO THE ROAD
TRAIN. THE SOCIETY ALSO AWARDS BURSARIES TO HIGH SCHOOL
GRADUATES TOTALLING $2,000. THIS YEAR, THE 40th
40th ANNIVERSARY OF OKTOBERFEST, CONGRATULATIONS FOR
FOUNDING THE OKTOBERFEST CELEBRATIONS, SHARING THEIR
GERMAN HERITAGE AND BRINGING PLEASURE TO SO MANY PEOPLE.
The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CUMBERLAND NORTH.
>>MR. SPEAKER, TODAY I RISE TO RECOGNIZE JORDAN OF AMHERST. HE
HELPED TO RAISE $1400 IN MEMORY OF HIS FRIEND CHRISTOPHER
BAXTER. THE MONEY WILL GO TOWARD MENTAL HEALTH AND
ADDICTIONS, HE HONOURED HIS FRIEND A FOUNDER OF THE AMHERST
SKATE PARK. JORDAN WANTED TO ADD LIGHT TO A TRAGIC MOMENT.
THIS MONEY WILL GO TOWARDS TO HELP MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAMS AS
WELL AS TO ASSIST CLIENTS. JORDAN HAS SHOWN CARE AND
GENEROSITY TOWARDS THE COMMUNITY AS HE WISHES TO HELP THOSE
STRUGGLING. THE PAIN OF THE LOSS OF LIFE CAUSED BY MENTAL
ILLNESS IS FELT EVERY DAY BY CHRISTOPHER’S PARENTS. THEIR
FAMILY AND FRIENDS. WE MUST DO MORE TO ENSURE HELP IS THERE TO
THOSE IN NEED. MR. SPEAKER, PLEASE JOIN ME IN THANKING
JORDAN FOR HIS KINDNESS AND WORK TO ASSIST OTHERS IN THE
COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
[APPLAUSE] The Speaker: HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR CLARE-DIGBY.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. AS
MANY OTHER NOVA SCOTIANS, I LOVE LIVING IN A SMALL NOVA SCOTIAN
TOWN. WHAT MAY SURPRISE PEOPLE FROM URBAN AREAS IS THE TYPE OF
ACTIVITIES AVAILABLE TO THE RESIDENTS OF OUR RURAL
COMMUNITIES. FOR EXAMPLE, NINE YEARS AGO, THE CENTRE SAW A
GROUP PLAYING UKELELES AT THE TATOO AND DECIDED TO FORM A
GROUP IN CLARE. THIS GROUP IS 28 MEMBERS AND WAITING LIST OF
PEOPLE WANTING TO JOIN. THEY TEND TO BE RETIRED WOMEN. SOME
NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO LEARN TO PLAY MUSIC WHEN THEY WERE YOUNG.
OVER THE YEARS, WHILE LEARNING AND PLAYING TOGETHER, THE WOMEN
HAVE FORMED FRIENDSHIPS WITHIN THE GROUP. THEY MEET ONCE A
WEEK TO PRACTICE AND USUALLY PERFORM SOMEWHERE IN THE
COMMUNITY A COUPLE OF TIMES A MONTH. THEY OFTEN PLAY AT THE
LOCAL BENEFITS AND PERFORMED FOR THE RESIDENTS. NINE YEARS
LATER, THE GROUP CONTINUES TO PLAY MUSIC, DOES ONE PERSON
THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FUN TO FORM A GROUP IN OUR AREA. I LIKE TO
THANK DORIS FOR THAT WORK. THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE] The Speaker: HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR NORTH SIDE WESTMOUNT.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. MR.
SPEAKER, JULY 27th, 2019 WAS AN IMPORTANT OCCASION IN NORTH
SYDNEY. THAT DATE MARKED THE 1NONILLION BIRTHDAY OF A FIXTURE
OF OUR HOWNT, – -100. ROATZ CELEBRATED IN THE WAY SHE –
ROSE CELEBRATED THE WAY SHE LOVED. SURROUNDED BY FRIENDS
AND FAMILY. KNOWING YOU WILL NEVER BE GREETED WITH ANYTHING
OTHER THAN A SMILE AND NOTHING MAKES HER HAPPIER THAN SITTING
DOWN TO HAVE A LONG CHAT. MORE COMMUNITY COULD USE PEOPLE LIKE
ROSE AND I’M GLAD TO WISH ERR THE HER A
HAPPY BIRTHDAY. [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH NORTH.
>>TALK ABOUT THE EXCEPTIONAL CANDIDATE RUNNING TO BE THE NEXT
MIGHT BE OF PARLIAMENT. EMMA NORTON IS A LISTENER AND
FIGHTER. MADE HER CAREER IN ENERGY EFFICIENCY. HELPED BRING
ENERGY BILLS TO HER WORK ON TROAT FITTING HOMES. ADVOCATING
FOR POLICY CHANGING IN OTTAWA. HER WORK ALLOWED HER AN
UNDERSTANDING OF THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE CLIMATE CRISIS AND THE
REAL SOLUTIONS THAT CAN ADDRESS IT. AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE
HOUSING CRISIS IN DARTMOUTH AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UNDERSTANDING OF THE PARTICULAR HEALTH NEEDS OF PEOPLE IN
DARTMOUTH. EMMA IS A CLIMATE CHAMPION. BEEN ENDORSED BY A
COALITION OF YOUNG PEOPLE ACROSS CANADA MAKING SURE CLIMATE
ACTION ARE AT THE FOREFRONT. THEY ARE THE ONLY CANDIDATES TO
BE ENDORSED. MR. SPEAKER, I WISH EMMA ALL THE BEST IN THE
CAM PAGE. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING ALONG SIDE HER AS SHE
TAKES HER SEAT IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS. THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE] The Speaker: HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR FAIRVIEW-CLAYTON PARK PARK.
>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I RISE TODAY TO RECOGNIZE AN
INCREDIBLE INDIVIDUAL WHO RECEIVED A BACHELOR OF ART AND
NONPROFIT LEADERSHIP CERTIFICATE AT MOUNT SAINT VINCENT SPRING
CONVOCATION. CASEY PERIN. A
3.93GPA. WAS THE VALEDICTORIAN OF HER CLAUSE. IN 2011, CASEY
GRADUATED WITH A CERTIFICATE IN OFFICE ADMINISTRATION AND AROUND
THAT SAME TIME, SHE WAS INVOLVED IN AN ATV ACCIDENT THAT LEFT HER
PARALYZED. CASEY WANTED TO CONTINUE WITH UNIVERSITY, SHE
CHOSE THE MOUNT AS A SUPPORTIVE LEARNING ENVIRONMENT. IN
ADDITION TO HER ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENTS, CASEY IS KNOWN IN
NOVA SCOTIA AND CANADA FOR HER SUCCESS IN WHEELCHAIR ATHLETICS.
TRAVELLED ALL OVER THE WORLD AND BROUGHT HOME A BRONZE MEDAL IN
THE CANADA SUMMER GAMES OF 2017. I CAN GO ON, BUT SAY WHAT AN
INSPIRATION SHE IS. I ASK THE MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE TO JOIN ME
IN WISHING CASEY THE BEST OF LUCK IN HER FUTURE ENDEAVOURS.
THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SACKVILLE COBEQUID.
>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I RISE TODAY TO CONGRATULATE THE
VOLUNTEERS, KNOCKS UNITED CHURCH IN LOWER SACKVILLE FOR
RECOGNIZING THE NEED TO PROVIDE FREE MEALS TO LESS FORTUNATE BY
WAY OF THE FREEDOM KITCHEN. FREEDOM KITCHEN IS AN EIGHT MONTH, PILOT PROJECT WHICH BEGAN
OCTOBER 7th UNDER THE DIRECTION OF CAROLINE AND RENEE.
CO-CHAIRS OF THE FOOD TRUCK PROJECT. WRAB WHEREBY A TRUCK
IS SET UP AT ACADIA PARK IN LOWER
SACKVILLE FROM 5:00 P.M. TO 7:00 P.M. TO HAND OUT FREE
MEALS TO THOSE IN NEED. MR. SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK ALL
MEMBERS OF THE NOVA SCOTIA HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY TO JOIN ME TO THANK
AND TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WISH THE ORGANIZERS THE BEST OF
LUCK AS THEY CONTINUE THIS WORTHWHILE PROJECT AND THANK
THEM FOR MAKING EFFORTS TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF OTHERS IN
OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
[APPLAUSE] The Speaker: HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR HANTS EAST.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
WE’RE AWARE OF THE IMPACT ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS
ORGANIZATIONS LOCAL CHARITABLE. THE CHAPTER OF 100 WOMEN WHO
CARE HIT A MILESTONE AT THE LAST MEETING. HELPED RAISE OVER
$100,000 FOR CHARITIES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. THESE FUNDS
HAVE GONE FOR MANY THINGS. FOR EXAMPLE, PROGRAMMING WITH THE
LOCAL FAMILY RESOURCE CENTRE. NUTRITIOUS FOOD OPTIONS AT AREAS
FOOD BANK IN OUR AREA. MENTAL HEALTH INITIATIVES, HOUSING
UPGRADES FOR LOW INCOME RESIDENTS, HOSPICE CARE IN EAST
HANTS. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANT ROLE
THAT THESE ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS 100 WOMEN WHO CARE HAVE IN OUR
COMMUNITIES AND ASK MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE JOIN ME IN
CONGRATULATING THEM ON HITTING THIS MILESTONE AND THANK THEM
FOR THEIR EFFORTS TO BETTER THE LIVES OF PEOPLE IN OUR
COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR COLE HARBOUR EASTERN
PASSAGE.>>I RISE TODAY TO BRING
RECOGNITION TO BRANTFORD, CHIEF PETTY OFFICER, VETERAN OF THE
ROYAL CANADIAN NAVY FOR HIS DEDICATION IN COORDINATING HRM’S
NATIONAL PEACEKEEPING DAY EVENT IN DARTMOUTH ONCE AGAIN. THE
WORLD PEACE PAVILLION LOCATED AT THE FERRY TERMINAL WAS THE
PERFECT LOCATION FOR THIS SPECIAL EVENT. IN 2008, CANADA
NAMED AUGUST 9th NATIONAL PEACEKEEPERS DAY. THE DAY WAS
CHOSEN IN MEMORY OF NINE PASSENGERS AND CREW WHO WERE
KILLED WHILE TRAVELLING ABOARD A UNITED NATIONS AIRCRAFT DURING A
PEACEKEEPING MISSION IN THE MIDDLE EAST. AIRCRAFT WAS SHOT
DOWN ON AUGUST 9th, 1974 AND WAS THE LARGEST SINGLE DAY LOSS
DURING A PEACEKEEPING MISSION. I ASK ALL MEMBERS OF THE
LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY TO JOIN ME IN THANKING BRANTFORD BROOM, ALL
VETERANS AND CURRENT MILITARY PERSONNEL FOR ALL THEY DO TO
KEEP US SAFE. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
[APPLAUSE] The Speaker: HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR GUYSBOROUGH-EASTERN SHORE-TRACADIE.
>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I RISE TODAY IN RECOGNITION OF THE
CHEBUCTO CENTRE, UNIFIED BASKETBALL TEAM THAT PROUDLY
REPRESENTED US AT THE 2019 SPECIAL OLYMPIC YOUTH
INVITATIONAL GAMES. OUR WONDERFUL ATHLETES COMPETING AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO GOLDRING CENTRE WHERE THEY
DEMONSTRATED THEIR EXCEPTIONAL SPORTSMANSHIP. COMPETING IN THE
THREE ON THREE BASKETBALL EVENT, CHEBUCTO EDUCATION CENTRE TEAM
BROUGHT A FIERCE COMPETITIVE SPIRIT TO ALL THEIR GAMES. WERE
IMPRESSIVE ON THE COURT, I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THESE HARD
WORKING ATHLETES FOR THEIR DEDICATION TO THE GAME. THEY
REPRESENTED US WELL. MADE US PROUD. WE’RE THE BEST
AMBASSADORS OF OUR FINE PROVINCE. THANK YOU, MR.
SPEAKER. [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CAPE BRETON RICHMOND.
>>MR. SPEAKER, I BEG LEAVE TO INTRODUCE A MOTION. The Speaker: HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR CAPE BRETON RICHMOND.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. MR.
SPEAKER, WHEREAS I AS A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY ACHIEVE
BARRIER-FREE COMPLIANCE AS OF JUNE 12th, 2018.
The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE. IS THIS A NOTICE OF MOTION? I
LIKE TO REMIND THE MEMBER THE AGENDA ITEM NOTICES OF MOTION
HAS PASSED OF THE IT WOULD REQUIRE THE CONSENTS OF THE
HOUSE TO REVERT BACK TO NOTICES OF MOTION. HONOURABLE MEMBER
FOR CAPE BRETON RICHMOND.>>I’LL BRING UP A POINT OF
ORDER, MR. SPEAKER. I DID SEND YOU NOTIFICATION. IT SAYS RIGHT
HERE IN THE RULES BOOK THAT A MEMBER CAN BRING UP A MATTER
CONCERNING, ARISING OUT OF ORAL QUESTIONS OR MINISTERS IN
RESPECT OF WHICH HE HAS GIVEN A NOTICE OF INTENTION. OR ANY
OTHER MATTER THAT I GIVE YOU BASICALLY A NOTIFICATION OF. I
SENT YOU AN EMAIL OVER AN HOUR, ABOUT AN HOUR BEFORE WE SAT IN
THIS CHAMBER AT 1:00. The Speaker: RIGHT, FOR A
NOTICE OF MOTION. THAT AGENDA ITEM PASSED FOR TODAY’S DAILY
ROUTINE. IF THE MEMBER WISH TO SEE BRING THAT UP TOMORROW UNDER
NOTICES OF MOTION, YOU’RE MORE THAN WELCOME. THE OPPORTUNITY
HAS CLOSED FOR TODAY.>>FOR TODAY, MR. SPEAKER.
The Speaker: WE’LL MOVE ON TO ORAL QUESTIONS PUT BY MEMBERS
TO MINISTERS. WE’LL ADD THREE MINUTES TO THE ENDS OF QUESTION
PERIOD. THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
[APPLAUSE]>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
TOMORROW REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PC CAUCUS WILL BE BACK IN COURT
IN AN EFFORT TO DISCOVER THE MANAGEMENT FEE THE PROVINCE IS
PAYING FOR FERRY NOT EVEN RUNNING. THE MANAGEMENT FEE IS
SOMEWHERE EMBEDDED IN THE $11.4 MILLION BEING SHUFFLED
OVER TO THE OPERATOR IN RESPECT OF THE SERVICE THAT’S NOT
OPERATING. THE FORMER PRIVACY COMMISSIONER STATED THE
GOVERNMENT SHOULD SHARE THIS INFORMATION. BUT THE GOVERNMENT
HAS REFUSED. THE PREMIER HAS THE ABILITY TO SAVE TIME, EFFORT
AND MONEY IF HE WOULD COMPLY WITH THE DIRECTIVE OF THE
PRIVACY COMMISSIONER’S OFFICE AND RELEASE THE MANAGEMENT FEE.
HE COULD DO IT TODAY. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE PREMIER WILL THE
PREMIER RELEASE THE MANAGEMENT THE AMOUNT OF THE GUARANTEED
PROFIT HIS GOVERNMENT IS PAYING TO THE OPERATOR FOR A FERRY
THAT’S NOT EVEN RUNNING IN THE FORM OF A MANAGEMENT FEE.
The Speaker: HONOURABLE PREMIER.
>>MR. SPEAKER, OUR GOVERNMENT CONTINUES 0 ENSURE WE GROW THE
ECONOMY. WE KNOW THE FERRY IS PART OF THAT, MR. SPEAKER.
HONOURABLE MEMBER IS TAKING THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO COURT. HE
STOOD OUTSIDE THIS HOUSE SUGGESTING THE PREMIER SHOULD
NOT GO TO CHINA. WE CONTINUE TO GROW THE EXPORTS. I WANT TO SEE
MEMBERS OF THAT CAUCUS WHO STAND ACROSS THIS PROVINCE TALKING
ABOUT THE PRICE OF LOBSTERS. THE FACT, MR. SPEAKER, WE GROW
EXPORT MARKET. ARE THEY GOING TO STAND BY THE FISHERMEN IN
THEIR COMMUNITIES? The Speaker: HONOURABLE
LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
[APPLAUSE]>>I THINK WE’RE GOING TO STAND
BY COMMON SENSE. ANYONE WHO INVESTS $20 MILLION FOR
ERRETURN, NOT ONE TOURIST, THEY UNDERSTAND. THAT’S NOT RIGHT.
MR. SPEAKER. YESTERDAY THERE WAS AGAIN DISCUSSION IN THIS
HOUSE ABOUT REBUILDING HEALTH-CARE INFRASTRUCTURE IN
THE PROVINCE. LIKE THE FERRY CONTRACT, THE PREMIER DOESN’T
WANT TO SHARE WITH NOVA SCOTIANS THE DELOITTE REPORT THAT
OUTLINES WHY HIS CHOICE IS THE BEST CHOICE. THE PREMIER ASK
ASKING NOVA SCOTIANS JUST TRUST ME. HE SAYS JUST TRUST ME.
I’LL SIGN A GOOD DEAL. WE KNOW WHERE THAT LANDS, MR. SPEAKER.
WE’RE LOOKING AT $2 BILLION ON A NEW HEALTH-CARE. 30 YEARS OF
PAYMENTS IN TRUST. THAT’S A LOT TO ASK, MR. SPEAKER. IF THE
PREMIER IS SO CONFIDENT THAT HE’S ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH THE
REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHY WON’T HE BE MORE TRANSPARENT.
The Speaker: HONOURABLE PREMIER.
>>IN A BYELECTION, ARGYLE-BARRINGTON, HE TOLD THE
PEOPLE OF THAT COMMUNITY HE WAS WITH THE FERRY, MR. SPEAKER.
NOW HE IS TAKING THE COMPANY TO COURT. HE TOLD THE PEOPLE IN
RURAL NOVA SCOTIA. The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE.
THE HONOURABLE PREMIER HAS THE FLOOR.
>>HE TOLD THOSE, IN. The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE.
HONOURABLE PREMIER HAS THE FLOOR.
>>MR. SPEAKER, HE TOLD THOSE IN CAPE BRETON HE WAS IN FAVOUR OF
TRADING. YESTERDAY HE SPEAKS OUT AGAINST IT. THE REALITY IS,
HE HAS NO PLAN. HIS ONLY PLAN IS TO SAY ONE THING IN ONE
COMMUNITY, SOMETHING ELSE IN ANOTHER. ONE THING IS CERTAIN,
HE IS CONTINUING TO ATTACK THE ECONOMY OF THIS PROVINCE. IT
HAS NEVER BEEN STRONGER. WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW IT.
The Speaker: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION. [APPLAUSE]
>>ONE THING SOMETHING FOR CERTAIN, MR. SPEAKER. FOUR
TIMES THE PREMIER CALLED BYELECTIONS FOUR TIMES THE
PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN LOUD AND CLEAR. HE DOESN’T HAVE THE
COURAGE TO CALL THE FIFTH ONE. [APPLAUSE]
>>HE DOESN’T HAVE THE COURAGE TO CALL THE FIFTH ONE. HE KNOWS
HOW NOVA SCOTIANS FEEL ABOUT HIS RECORD. THIS PREMIER WON’T LET
UP. The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE.
LIKE TO REMIND THE HONOURABLE MEMBER CALLING INTO QUESTION THE
CHARACTER AND THE COURAGE OF ANOTHER MEMBER. WHICH IS UNPARLIAMENTARY. THE HONOURABLE
LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
>>MR. SPEAKER, THE PREMIER WON’T LESS US EXAMINE THE DEAL
HE HAS MADE. THE PREMIER DOESN’T WANT TO SHARE THE MODEL
IN THE REDEVELOPMENT. ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS HIS
GOVERNMENT HAS REFUSED TO PUT FORWARD A COST ENVELOPE AROUND
THE LIABILITY THAT HIS GOVERNMENT HAS ASSUMED IN
RESPECT OF THE COLLAPSED CRANE. WHEN THIS GOVERNMENT START TO
LEARN THE LESSON TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH NOVA SCOTIANS.
WILL THE PREMIER AT LEAST TELL US WHY HE WON’T SHARE WITH NOVA
SCOTIANS HIS ESTIMATE OF THE COST OF THE CRANE REMOVAL.
The Speaker: HONOURABLE PREMIER.
>>THE MEMBER BE CONSISTENT, MR. SPEAKER. IS HE WITH US WHEN IT
COMES TO THE INVESTMENT IN THE HEALTH-CARE, MR. SPEAKER. MR.
SPEAKER, IN CAPE BRETON, HE TOLD THE COMMUNITY HE WAS WITH US.
IS HE AGAINST US TODAY, MR. SPEAKER. THE MEMBERS THAT RAN
FOR HIM DESERVE TO KNOW WHERE HE STANDS. WITH THOSE COMMUNITIES
THAT ARE GETTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT, MR.
SPEAKER, IS HE OR NOT? IS HE WITH THOSE RURAL COMMUNITIES,
RECORD EXPORTS IN SEAFOOD, MR. SPEAKER. HE STANDS AGAINST IT,
MR. SPEAKER. THE REALITY IS HE SAYS ONE THING ONE DAY AND ONE
THING ANOTHER, MR. SPEAKER. THAT’S NOT LEADERSHIP, MR.
SPEAKER. THAT’S A WEATHER VANE. The Speaker: HONOURABLE
LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
[APPLAUSE]>>MR. SPEAKER.
The Speaker: ORDER PLEASE, HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW
DEMOCRATIC PARTY.>>THANK YOU. MR. SPEAKER, A
PRIVATE CONSORTIUM ASKED THE GOVERNMENT TO CONTRIBUTE
$120 MILLION OVER 30 YEARS TOWARDS THE COST OF A SPORTS
STAYED NUMB WHY – STADIUM IN SHANNON PARK. THE PREMIER SAID
WE WOULD NOT LOOK AT GENERAL REVENUE. BUT OTHER SOURCES OF
REVENUE COULD BE LOOKED AT. ONE SUGGESTION MADE BY THE PROMOTERS
IS TAX ON ACCOMMODATIONS AND CAR RENTALS. YESTERDAY THE TOURISM
INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION SAID THIS, THE SUGGESTION THAT WE SHOULD
INCREASE TAX ON ALL VISITORS USING ACCOMMODATION AND CAR
RENTALS TO FUND A PRIVATE SECTOR VENTURE IS COMPLETELY
INAPPROPRIATE. MR. SPEAKER, I WANT TO ASK IS IT STILL THE
PREMIER’S POSITION THAT HE’S WILLING TO CONSIDER THESE KINDS
OF REVENUE SOURCES TO PROVIDE 120 MILLION FOR A PRIVATELY
OWNED SPORTS STADIUM. The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
PREMIER.>>THANK YOU, FOR THE QUESTION,
MR. SPEAKER. THE MEMBER RAISES AN IMPORTANT QUESTION. I SAID
TO HIM EARLIER THERE’S A PROPOSAL BEFORE HALIFAX REGIONAL
COUNCIL. HE HIGHLIGHTED PART OF THAT PROPOSAL. THE PROPONENT
TALKED ABOUT POTENTIAL SOURCES OF REVENUE. WE MADE NO
COMMITMENTS, MR. SPEAKER. The Speaker: HONOURABLE
LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
[APPLAUSE]>>MR. SPEAKER, STATISTICS
CANADA DATA SHOW IN 2017, IN THE FEDERAL RIDING THAT SHANNON PARK
IS A PART OF, THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN LIVING BELOW THE
POVERTY LINE WAS 3920. NOW, BETWEEN 2015 AND 17, OUR
PROVINCE WAS THE ONLY PROVINCE IN CANADA WHERE CHILD POVERTY
ACTUALLY GOT WORSE. I WANT TO ASK THE PREMIER HOW COULD HIS
GOVERNMENT POSSIBLY GIVE ANY CONSIDERATION TO THE THOUGHT
THAT A FOOTBALL STADIUM IS A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN 3920 LOW
INCOME KIDS? [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: HONOURABLE PREMIER.
>>MR. SPEAKER, I WANT TO THANK THE QUESTION. THE REALITY IS
THROUGH THE MANY COMMUNITY SERVICES WE CONTINUE TO MAKE
INVESTMENTS IN THOSE FAMILIES WHO REQUIRE SUPPORT THROUGH
INCOME ASSISTANCE. HE WOULD KNOW, MR. SPEAKER, THE
UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IN THIS PROVINCE HAS NEVER BEEN LOWER.
JOB OPPORTUNITIES WE’RE SEEING CREATED. WE’RE SEEING MANY
YOUNG PEOPLE MOVE BACK TO FIND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEMSELVES IN
THIS PROVINCE. GROWING OUR ECONOMY. OUR POPULATION IS AT
AN ALL-TIME HIGHER. FIRST TIME SINCE 1964 THE AVERAGE AGE OF
THIS PROVINCE HAS GONE DOWN. THOSE ARE POSITIVE SIGNS WE’RE
GROWING THE ECONOMY. WE NEED MORE WORK TO DO. THAT’S WHY THE
MINISTER DOING THE TRANSFORMATION INCOME
ASSISTANCE. WE’RE CONTINUING TO PROVIDE GOOD ECONOMIC
OPPORTUNITIES, GOOD JOBS FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO GROW. THAT’S
WHY THESE EXPORTS, MATTER. REVENUE TO GROW OPPORTUNITIES.
The Speaker: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC
PARTY.>>MR. SPEAKER, ALLOW ME TO
BRING A WORD FROM THE WORLD OF ECONOMIC REALITY. WHILE THIS
PRIVATE CONSORTIUM IS ASKING THE GOVERNMENT FOR 120 MILLION, ALL
KINDS OF FAMILIES IN DARTMOUTH ARE STRUGGLING FOR THEIR
HOUSING, 3057 HOUSEHOLDS IN SHANNON PARK, FEDERAL RIDING ARE
PAYING MORE THAN 50% OF ALL THE MONEY THEY TAKE IN TOWARDS THEIR
RENT. MR. SPEAKER, IN OUR VIEW, 3057 HOUSEHOLDS STRUGGLING TO
KEEP A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD IS A HIGHER PRIORITY THAN 120 MILLION
FOR A PRIVATE SPORTS STADIUM. WHAT ABOUT THIS IS NOT OBVIOUS
TO THE PREMIER? The Speaker: HONOURABLE
PREMIER.>>MR. SPEAKER, IT’S WHY WE
CONTINUE TO MAKE INVESTMENTS IN HOUSING, MR. SPEAKER. THE
MINISTER OF MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS SIGNED WITH THE NATIONAL
GOVERNMENT A NEW HOUSING STRATEGY OVER THE NEXT TEN
YEARS. HONOURABLE MEMBER KNOWS THE BUDGET HE HAS BEEN VOTING
AGAINST. I COMMITTED TO HIM I WOULD LOOK AT WHETHER THOSE
SHOULD BE ADJUSTED TO ENSURE WE PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES. HE IS
HIGHLIGHTING THE FACT, MR. SPEAKER, WITH GROWTH HAPPENING
WITH THE ECONOMIC IN NOVA SCOTIA TAKING PLACE, MR. SPEAKER. IT
HAS PUT PRESSURE ON SOME OF THE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES IN TERMS
OF AFFORDABILITY. THAT’S WHY WE’RE LOOKING AT NEW OPTIONS AND
OPPORTUNITIES TO ENSURE WE’RE RESPONDING TO THE NEEDS OF THOSE
INDIVIDUALS. [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. THE
FERRY, QE II REBUILD, CRANE, I COULD GO ON. THIS IS THREE
EXAMPLES THAT SHOULD BE EXAMINED BY THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE
AND SHOULD BE THERE AGAIN, MR. SPEAKER. BUT THEY CAN’T BE
EXAMINED BECAUSE THIS GOVERNMENT NEUTERED THE ABILITY OF THE
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE ABOUT A YEAR AGO. THEY HAVE REMOVED
AN IMPORTANT INSTRUMENT OF ACCOUNTABILITY, CHECK ON THE
GOVERNMENT. BECAUSE IT BECAME AN INCONVENIENCE FOR THEM TO
TALK ABOUT AND DEFEND THEIR DECISIONS. MY QUESTION FOR THE
PREMIER, DESCENDS BY RESTRICTING THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE HE
PLACED HIS OWN POLITICAL PERIL WITH ACTUAL FINANCIAL PERIL OF
THIS PROVINCE? The Speaker: HONOURABLE
PREMIER.>>ONCE AGAIN, MR. SPEAKER, THE
HONOURABLE MEMBER IS SAYING ONE THING TODAY AND SOMETHING ELSE
LATER. HE TELLS US WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THE AUDITOR GENERAL.
TALKED ABOUT THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE. WE INSTITUTED A
HEALTH COMMITTEE THAT DEALS WITH A LARGE, WHICH THEY VOTED
AGAINST, MR. SPEAKER. WHICH IS IT, HE SAYS ONE THING ONE DAY
AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE WHEN HE THINKS IT’S OK POLITICALLY FOR
HIM. The Speaker: HONOURABLE
LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
>>MR. SPEAKER, THERE’S A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO THIS. IF THE
PREMIER WAS CONFIDENT IN THE DECISIONS HE WAS MAKING HE WOULD
BE TRANSPARENT WITH NOVA SCOTIANS. IF THE PREMIER WAS
CONFIDENT IN THE DECISIONS HE WAS MAKING HE WOULD RESTORE THE
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE TO ITS RIGHTFUL STATUS. HE WOULD BRING
BACK WEEKLY MEETINGS. HE WOULD BRING BACK THE WIDE RANGING
SCOPE MEMBERS HAD UP TO REVIEW TOPICS. THE PREMIER WOULD LET
THE LEGISLATURE EXAMINE THESE ISSUES. HE WOULD LET US REVIEW
AND GIVE NOVA SCOTIANS SOME IDEA AS TO WHAT HE WAS DOING. HE
COULD EVEN BRING THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE BACK AND LET
THE ENVIRONMENT MINISTER KEEP A SEAT IN CABINET, MR. SPEAKER.
IT’S OK WITH US. WILL THE PREMIER COMMIT TODAY TO
RESTORING THE FULL MANDATE OF THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE.
The Speaker: HONOURABLE PREMIER.
>>MR. SPEAKER, THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION IS ASKING ME TO
OVERRULE THE AUDITOR GENERAL, MR. SPEAKER. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY
RIDICULOUS. THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN TORIES ARE IN POWER. THE
FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WAS THE AUDITOR GENERAL’S
RECOMMENDATION, MR. SPEAKER. THE PUBLIC ACCOUNT, MR. SPEAKER,
THE PUBLIC ACCOUNT SAYS, MR. SPEAKER, THE AUDITOR GENERAL
SAID THEY SHOULD BE REVIEWING, THE HIS REPORT, MR. SPEAKER. WE
CONTINUE TO DO SO. MR. SPEAKER, I WANT TO TELL YOU, MR.
SPEAKER … The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE,
THE HONOURABLE PREMIER HAS THE FLOOR.
>>THANK YOU. THE AUDITOR’S GENERAL RECOMMENDATION, PUT
FORWARD. THAT’S WHAT THEY DO. ON TOP OF THAT, WE PUT A HEALTH
COMMITTEE. THE ONLY PARTY, ONLY GOVERNMENT IN THIS PROVINCE TO
DO SO. AND BY THE WAY, WE TELEVISED IT. SO WILL THE OTHER
COMMITTEES IN THIS PROVINCE BE TELEVISED. HOW MORE OPEN AND
TRANSPARENT CAN YOU BE. LISTEN TO THE AUDITOR GENERAL. LET
NOVA SCOTIANS SEE IT ON TV. The Speaker: HONOURABLE
LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
>>WE LEARNED YESTERDAY THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS CUT
REIMBURSEMENTS FOR MILITARY SERVICE MEMBERS HEALTH-CARE.
THESE CUTS COULD LEAVE LOCAL HOSPITALS THAT SERVE A LOT OF
SERVICE PEOPLE SHORT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ANNUALLY. QUALITY OF
CARE PROVIDED TO SERVICE PEOPLE AND THE QUALITY OF CARE PROVIDED
TO EVERYBODY WILL BE COMPROMISED IN OUR HOSPITALS ARE LEFT SHORT
OF FUNDS. SO, MR. SPEAKER, CAN THE PREMIER CONFIRM THAT THE
PROVINCE HAS AGREED TO TAKE ON THESE ADDITIONAL COSTS, COSTS
THAT ARE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT’S RESPONSIBILITY?
The Speaker: HONOURABLE PREMIER.
>>NO, MR. SPEAKER, I CANNOT CONFIRM THAT. MR. SPEAKER, I
DID, I CAN CONFIRM THAT FEDERAL MINISTER LAST NIGHT SAID NO
FACILITY, NO PROVINCE WILL BE WORSE OFF.
The Speaker: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC
PARTY.>>MR. SPEAKER, THIS ISN’T THE
FIRST TIME THAT HEALTH-CARE FUNDING ARRANGEMENTS BETWEEN OUR
PROVINCIAL AND OUR FEDERAL LIBERAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE PUT
NOVA SCOTIA IN A BAD POSITION. IN 2017, THE PREMIER BROKE FROM
THE REST OF THE PROVINCES TO TAKE A FUNDING DEAL FROM PRIME
MINISTER TRUDEAU, A DEAL COSTING US A BILLION DOLLARS OVER TEN
YEAR PERIOD. MR. SPEAKER, IS THE PREMIER A LIBERAL FIRST AND
NOVA SCOTIAN SECOND WHEN IT COMES TO OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH
OTTAWA FUNDING HE’LL HEALTH CAIVER –
HEALTH-CARE.>>MR. SPEAKER, LET ME BE CLEAR.
IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THE HONOURABLE MEMBER TO RECOGNIZE
3% INCREASE IN THAT HEALTH CONTRACT. ALSO RECOGNIZE PAY
ATTENTION TO THE NATIONAL CAMPAIGN. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
PARTIES RECOMMENDING THE SAME ISSUE THAT WENT FORWARD, MR.
SPEAKER. THAT WAS INVESTMENT TO MENTAL HEALTH, MR. SPEAKER. AS
WELL, MR. SPEAKER, DEALING WITH MAKING SURE PEOPLE WERE TO AGE
IN PLACE. I KNOW THE HONOURABLE MEMBER CARES ABOUT, MR. SPEAKER.
THE REALITY IS, MY JOB IS IN THE INTERESTS OF ALL NOVA SCOTIANS,
NOT JUST THOSE WHO VOTED FOR ME OR AGAINST ME. I CONTINUE TO
GROW. I CONTINUE TO GROW JOBS, MR. SPEAKER, TO RURAL NOVA
SCOTIA. WHY I CONTINUE TO TRAVEL, MR. SPEAKER. IT’S WHY I
CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE GOES DOWN IN
THIS PROVINCE. POPULATION GOES UP, MR. SPEAKER. I DON’T JUST
GO LOOK FOR LIBERALS FOR THOSE JOBS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, EVEN
BYELECTIONS I DIDN’T WIN, MR. SPEAKER WE’RE GOING TO REPRESENT
THE INTEREST OF THOSE PEOPLE AND GO TO CHINA AND MAKE SURE WE
CONTINUE TO EXPORT OUR PRODUCT. [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I
LIKE TO REFER THE HOUSE TO A LETTER THE MINISTER OF HEALTH
AND WELLNESS TABLED LAST WEEK. THE LETTER WAS WRITTEN BY THE
MINISTER OF FINANCE ON BEHALF OF THE NSLC. FEDERAL HEALTH
MINISTER. ACKNOWLEDGES GLOBAL CONCERNS OVER THE NEGATIVE
HEALTH IMPACTS OF VAPING. BUT THE CONCERN RAISED BY THE
MINISTER SEEMS PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THE FINANCIAL IMPACT TO THE
PROVINCE. THE MINISTER DOESN’T WANT TO BE LEFT WITH PRODUCTS
AND INVENTORY THAT HEALTH CANADA MAY SUBSEQUENTLY BAN. THAT WAS
THE FOCUS OF THE LETTER. THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY BOUGHT
IT, THEY COULD THEN RESELL IT, MR. SPEAKER. MY QUESTION FOR
THE PREMIER ARE HIS GOVERNMENT’S CONCERNS REGARDING CANNABIS,
VAPING PRODUCTS REALLY ONLY FOCUSED ON THE FINANCIAL IMPACT
OF THE PROVINCE. The Speaker: HONOURABLE
PREMIER.>>MR. SPEAKER, THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER IS EVERY OPPORTUNITY STRETCHES ANY INSTANCE OF WHAT
MIGHT BE HAPPENING HERE. THE REALITY IS WE ASK THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WHAT IS HEALTH CANADA GOING TO AUTHORIZE. IT’S UP TO
HEALTH CANADA. I SAID MANY TIMES IN THIS HOUSE, THAT DOES
NOT MEAN THE PRODUCTS WILL BE SOLD IN THE PROVINCE. THIS IS
NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HONOURABLE MEMBER IS MAKING A
LONG LEAP TOWARDS, MR. SPEAKER. THIS IS EVERYTHING TO DO
ENSURING WE’RE PROTECTING THE HEALTH OF OUR PROVINCE, MR.
SPEAKER, OF THE KIDS OF THIS PROVINCE. AT THE SAME TIME
MAKING SURE WE’RE FOLLOWING THE RULES OF HEALTH CANADA. The Speaker: HONOURABLE
LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
>>AS NOVA SCOTIA, LIQUOR CORPORATION WILL BE PURCHASING
THESE EXTRACT PRODUCTS FROM HEALTH CANADA PRODUCERS, I URGE
YOU AND YOUR STAFF AT HEALTH CANADA TO PROVIDE IMMEDIATE
CLARITY ON THE LEGAL SALE OF SAFE CANNABIS PRODUCTS FOR
VAPING. SAYS THEY’RE BUYING THEM. SAYS THEY’RE BUYING THEM.
THEY DON’T WANT TO GET STUCK WITH THEM IN INVENTORY. THE
INTENT IS VERY CLEAR. THE ACTING –
The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE, HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION HAS THE FLOOR.
>>STATED AMID THE 1,000 REPORTS OF LUNG INJURES ASSOCIATED WITH
VAPING PRODUCTS, WE ARE STRENGTHENING OUR METHODS THEY
SHOULD NOT USE ANY VAPING PRODUCTS CONTAINING THC. THIS
IS A VERY STRONG STATEMENT. THE GOVERNMENT STATEMENT IS STRONG,
AS WELL. THEY’RE BUYING THE PRODUCT. THEY DON’T WANT TO GET
STUCK WITH IT. MY QUESTION FOR THE PREMIER. WILL THE PREMIER
TELL NOVA SCOTIANS TODAY WHETHER IT IS HIS INTENTION OR NOT TO
SELL CANNABIS VAPING PRODUCTS AT THE NSLC?
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE PREMIER.
>>MR. SPEAKER, THE HONOURABLE MEMBER READ PART OF THAT LETTER,
MR. SPEAKER. HE ANSWERED HIS OWN QUESTION. WE’RE ASKING
HEALTH CANADA TO VERIFY. NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT, MR.
SPEAKER. The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE.
HONOURABLE PREMIER HAS THE FLOOR.
>>MR. SPEAKER, THE HONOURABLE MEMBER HAS QUOTED FROM A LETTER
AND THEN HAD TO RETRACT IT, MR. SPEAKER. MINDS YOU, MR.
SPEAKER, I DON’T OWE THE MEMBER ON THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO
FOLLOW THE FOOTSTEPS. REMIND THE HONOURABLE MEMBER, MAKE SURE
WHEN HE’S READING THE LETTER, HE UNDERSTANDS THE FULL IMPACT AND
INTENT OF WHAT WE SAID. THE MINISTER RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS
PRODUCT CLEARLY SAID WE WANT HEALTH CANADA TO OUTLINE THAT
DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE PURCHASING THAT PRODUCT, MR. SPEAKER. WE
NEED TO KNOW WHAT HEALTH CANADA’S RULES ARE AROUND THAT
PRODUCT. [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION.>>THE FEATURE OF OUR PARTY HAS
NOT DISRESPECTED THE INDEPENDENCE OF THE JUDICIARY.
MR. SPEAKER, ONE OF THE GREATEST FACTORS IN BOOSTING THE ECONOMY
IS GROWING THE POPULATION. NOVA SCOTIA OFFICE OF IMMIGRATION
STARTED BY THE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT IN 2005 HAS HELPED TO
DO THIS. IN FACT, WE RECENTLY SAW VISION FOR OUR PROVINCE
REACH OUR HIGHEST POPULATION EVER. HOWEVER, NEWLY SETTLED
NOVA SCOTIANS SOON DISCOVER TAXES ARE HIGHER THAN OTHER
PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. 25% INCREASE IN SALES TAX BY THE
N.D.P. WHEN THE FEDERAL CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT HAD
GIVEN NOVA SCOTIANS A BREAK BY LOWERING THE GST FROM 7% TO 5%.
THAT INCREASES THE COST OF LIVING FOR MANY NOVA SCOTIAN
FAMILIES BY 500 TO 2,000. WHEN EVERYONE WEST OF ATLANTIC CANADA
IS PAYINGS LESS IN CONSUMPTION TAX, WHY HASN’T THIS GOVERNMENT
ACKNOWLEDGED THIS IS A DISADVANTAGE TO INCREASING OUR
POPULATION? [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: HONOURABLE PREMIER.
>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. THE HONOURABLE MEMBER IS, I DON’T
KNOW WHERE THE HONOURABLE MEMBER IS GOING WITH THIS QUESTION.
OUR POPULATION IS AT AN ALL-TIME HIGH. UNEMPLOYMENT IS ALL-TIME
LOW. WE’RE SEEING NOT ONLY NEW CANADIANS, NEW NOVA SCOTIANS
COME TO OUR PROVINCE. PEOPLE REPATRIATE BACK HOME. THIS IS A
GROWING PROVINCE, MR. SPEAKER. FOURTH CONSECUTIVE BALANCED
BUDGET. WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE. LET ME BE CLEAR,
THE LAST THING THIS GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO DO IS TAKE FINANCIAL
LESSONS FROM ANY CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT.
[APPLAUSE] The Speaker: HONOURABLE
LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
>>IT WASN’T SO LONG AGO THE FINANCE MINISTER OVER THERE WAS
PART OF A CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT THAT WAS BALANCING
BUDGETS. I’LL DIRECT MY QUESTION TO HER, MR. SPEAKER.
WHERE I’M GOING WITH THIS, MR. SPEAKER, HAS THE POPULATION
REACHED ITS POTENTIAL? THIS IS CLEARLY AN ISSUE. CONSUMPTION
TAXES ARE AN ISSUE IN THIS PROVINCE. WHEN YOU PUT IN THE
CONTEXT OF SOMEBODY NEW TO CANADA, MANY COME WITH LITTLE
BUT, MANY ALSO COME WITH A LOT. VERY FEW COME WITH THE THINGS
THEY NEED TO LIVE, A COUCH, CAR, FRIDGE. THESE ARE THINGS PEOPLE
NEED TO BUY. AND MR. SPEAKER, THEY’RE PAYING MORE CONSUMPTION
TAX BUYING THOSE GOODS. SO MY QUESTION FOR THE MINISTER OF
FINANCE, DOES THE MINISTER HAVE ANY PLAN TO RETURN NOVA SCOTIANS
THE HST RELIEF MOST CANADIANS RECEIVED BACK IN 2008 WHEN THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DID REDUCE THE GST?
The Speaker: HONOURABLE PREMIER.
>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I WANT TO BE ON THIS SIDE OF THE
HOUSE RECOGNIZE NOT ONLY THE MINISTER OF FINANCE, MR.
SPEAKER, BUT THE MINISTER OF MUNICIPAL SERVICES WHO RECOGNIZE
THAT PARTY WAS HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. THIS PROVINCE
COULDN’T AFFORD TO GO WITH A CONSERVATIVE PARTY. JOINED WITH
LIKE-MINDED NOVA SCOTIANS WHO DELIVERED OUR FOURTH BALANCE
BUDGET. GROWING OUR POPULATION, REDUCING UNEMPLOYMENT AND
PROVIDING HOPE FOR A GENERATION OF YOUNG NOVA SCOTIANS WHO CAN
LIVE AND WORK RIGHT HERE. THEY RECOGNIZE THEY CAN COMPETE IN
THE GLOBAL MARKETPLACE UNLIKE THE LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE
PARTY, WHO BELIEVES WE SHOULD BE ISOLATE FIRST DEGREE OUR
HOMETOWNS. The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
>>I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE PREMIER SAID BACK THEN. HE IS
IN FAVOUR NOW THAT THE MONEY IS GOING INTO THE POCKETS OF HIS
GOVERNMENT. THIS REMAINS AN ISSUE. MR. SPEAKER, I WANT TO
MOVE ON. ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE MINISTER OF FINANCE. A
SOLUTION TO BOOSTING THE ECONOMY IS INVESTMENTS. IN JOBS,
RESEARCH, INVESTMENTS IN INDUSTRY AND TECHNOLOGY. BUT
GOVERNMENT INVESTMENT IS ONLY A TEMPORARY MEASURE. IT CAN MOVE
THE NEEDLE. BUT BUSINESS CAN STRUGGLE AND FAIL WHEN SUPPORT
DISTANCE. WHAT NOVA SCOTIA NEEDS AS MUCH AS JOB CREATION IS
WEALTH CREATION. BARRIER TO WEALTH CREATION IS THE FACT WE
HAVE THE HIGHEST TAX BRACKET IN THE COUNTRY FOR INCOME TAX.
OUTSIDE OF QUEBEC. CAN THE MINISTER EXPLAIN WHY NOVA SCOTIA
HAS AND NEEDS TO HAVE THE HIGHEST TOP TAX RATE OUTSIDE OF
QUEBEC FOR WHAT SHE DESCRIBED RECENTLY TO ME AS HAVING A
CONSERVATIVE, A SMALL C CONSERVATIVE PREMIER?
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
>>LET ME SHAKE THEIR HAND. [LAUGHTER]
>>I CAN’T BELIEVE SHE CALLED ME SMALL.
The Speaker: HONOURABLE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. TO THE QUESTION OF TAXATION, AND
THE ECONOMY, WE MADE IT CLEAR IN OUR BUDGETS WE HAVE INTRODUCED
WHICH AS THE PREMIER HAS SAID, FOUR CONSECUTIVE BALANCED
BUDGETS. WE’RE WORKING ON THE FIFTH CONSECUTIVE BALANCED
BUDGET. [APPLAUSE]
>>I CAN TELL YOU, MR. SPEAKER. IN THOSE BUDGETS, THERE WERE
MEASURES TO SUPPORT SMALL ACTION, MEASURES FOR THE BASIC
PERSONAL EXEMPTION, WE WILL DO WHAT WE CAN AFFORD TO DO AND
MAINTAIN A BALANCED BUT ALLOWS US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE
SERVICES AND SUPPORTS AND HEALTH AND EDUCATION, COMMUNITY
SERVICES AND OTHER UNEXPECTED NEEDS LIKE FROST FREEZE AND THE
LIKE THE CRANE. [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION.>>WE HEAR IN THE CONSERVATIVE
CAUCUS AREN’T JUST INTERESTED IN BALANCING BUDGETS. WE’RE
INTERESTED IN TAXPAYERS GETTING GOOD VALUE FOR THEIR DOLLAR.
[APPLAUSE]>>MR. SPEAKER, IT’S NOT JUST
THE TOP EARNERS WHO NEED TO ACCUMULATE WEALTH. HARD WORKING
NOVA SCOTIANS AT FIVE INCOME TAX BRACKETS. COST OF LIVING
INCREASES IN WAGES AND SALARIES SHOULD ALLOW NOVA SCOTIANS TO
KEEP PACE WITH THINGS LIKE WITH THINGS WHERE PRICES ARE
INCREASING WITH INFLATION. BUT THIS GOVERNMENT’S INCOME TAX
RATES ARE NOT INDEXED FOR INFLATION. AS THEIR WAGES GET
HIGHER, WITHOUT ANY REGARD FOR THE PERSON NEEDING TO EARN MORE
MONEY TO PAY FOR THE SAME THINGS, THE NEXT YEAR MORE
EXPENSIVE, MR. SPEAKER. THAT EXTRA IS NOT THERE FOR THEM
BECAUSE THEIR TAX RATES ARE NOT INDEXED. THAT MONEY IS, I’M
GOING TO MOVE TO MY QUESTION. CAN THE MINISTER SAY HOW MANY
NOVA SCOTIANS WOULD SAVE IN TAXES? HOW MUCH PERSONAL WEALTH
WOULD STAY IN POCKETS? The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MINISTER OF FINANCE.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I
WOULD LIKE TO SAY IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE MEMBER HAS SPOKEN
ABOUT, ALL NOVA SCOTIANS ARE HARD WORKERS. I WANT TO COMMEND
THEM FOR THE WORK THEY DO EVERY DAY.
[APPLAUSE]>>MR. SPEAKER, WE RECOGNIZE
THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAGE LEVELS, DIFFERENT PATTERNS OF
WAGE. AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR NOVA SCOTIANS.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE WITHIN OUR REVENUE DOLLARS WE
NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE HARD WORKING NOVA SCOTIANS HAVE
THE SERVICES AND SUPPORTS THAT THEY DESERVE AND THAT THEIR
TAXES WILL HELP TO PAY FOR. [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH NORTH.
>>MR. SPEAKER, MY QUESTION IS FOR THE PREMIER. LAST WEEK, I
MARCHED WITH OVER 300 PEOPLE AT PICTOU LANDING. THERE WERE MANY
PEOPLE MARCHING FOR CLEAN WATER. FUTURE OF THEIR COMMUNITY. ONE
OF THE YOUTH, 16-YEAR-OLD ADDRESSED THE CROWD. SHE SAID,
QUOTE, WE’RE TRYING TO BUILD TRUST AND RECONCILIATION. BUT
WE WON’T IF THEY DON’T NEED THE DEADLINE, END QUOTE. CHIEF
PAUL, AMONG MANY OTHERS, EXPRESSED UNEASE OVER THE
PREMIER’S RECENT RESPONSES TO THE SITUATION. WE ARE NOW ONLY
114 DAYS UNTIL THE DEADLINE WITH NO SERPTS FROM THE PREMIER. MR.
SPEAKER, WILL THE PREMIER EXPLAIN HOW HE WILL ENSURE THIS
IS ENFORCED. – CERTAINTY. The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
PREMIER.>>PIECE OF LEGISLATION IS
BEFORE THE HOUSE. THERE’S A DATE IN IT. MR. SPEAKER, THERE
IS NOTHING THAT I HAVE SEEN THAT DATE WILL BE CHANGING. MR.
SPEAKER, ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW THE MEMBERS OF PICTOU
LANDING, THEY HAVE A COMMITMENT COMMITTED TO CLEANING UP.
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH NORTH.
>>MR. SPEAKER, OVER AND OVER AGAIN THE PREMIER DEFERRED TO
THE REGULATORY PROCESSES IN THE BOAT HARBOUR LEGISLATION WHEN
ASKED TO EXPLAIN WHAT FIRST NATION CAN EXPECT TO HAPPEN
AFTER JANUARY 31, 2020. HE SAYS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE REGULATORY
PROCESS. THE LAW IS THE LAW. BUT THE LAWS ARE ONLY GOOD IF
ENFORCED BY THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE. THE POWER TO CLOSE BOAT
HARBOUR RESTS WITH THE PREMIER. MR. SPEAKER, I WILL ASK AGAIN
FOR THE PREMIER TO PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW HE WILL ENSURE THE
BOAT HARBOUR WILL BE ENFORCED. The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
PREMIER.>>THE MEMBER KNOWS THE BILL WAS
PASSED BY ALL MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE. PASSED BY ALL MEMBERS,
NOT JUST THE PREMIER. [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR NORTH SIDE WEST
MOUNT.>>MR. SPEAKER, MY QUESTION IS
TO THE MINISTER OF FINANCE. THE ENVIRONMENT HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN A
FOCUS THIS HOUSE SESSION. BETWEEN NEW LEGISLATION,
PROTESTS IN THE STREETS, AND CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE FEDERAL
ELECTION, CHANGE IS CLIMATE CHANGE IS A
DAILY ISSUE. THE SYSTEM IS DIFFERENT IN NOVA SCOTIA, WE ARE
NOT EXEMPT FROM OPENING OUR WALLETS. THE GOVERNMENT LIKES
TO TALK ABOUT HARD WORK NOVA SCOTIANS HAVE DONE, IT’S ASKING
THEM TO PAY UP AGAIN. MY QUESTION, MR. SPEAKER, HOW MUCH
REVENUE HAS BEEN COLLECTED TO DATE THROUGH NOVA SCOTIA’S
CARBON TAX PROGRAMS? The Speaker: HONOURABLE
PREMIER.>>I WANT TO THANK THE
HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION. HE WOULD KNOW THERE’S
A CAP AND TRADE SYSTEM INSIDE THE PROVINCE OF NOVA SCOTIA.
NOVA SCOTIANS MADE A COMMITMENT, DECADES AGO TO ENSURE THEY
CONTINUE TO GREEN UP THIS PROVINCE, LEADING THE COUNTRY
WHEN IT COMES TO REDUCTIONS, LEADING WHEN IT COMES TO WASTE
DIVERSION. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE AS A GOVERNMENT, MR. SPEAKER,
THOSE RATEPAYER’S AND TAXPAYERS, MR. SPEAKER, WERE RESPECTED AND
GOT CREDIT FOR WHAT THEY ACHIEVED BY DOING THE WORK.
THAT’S WHY OUR SYSTEM, MR. SPEAKER, PROTECTS THE
POCKETBOOKS OF NOVA SCOTIANS. The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR NORTHSIDE WESTMOUNT.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. THE
PARLIAMENTARY BUDGET OFFICER STATED CANADA IS NOT ON PACE TO
MEET THE PARIS AGREEMENT. I HAVE THIS REPORT I WOULD LIKE TO
TABLE. THE PROVINCIAL CARBON TAX AT .9 CENTS PER LITRE ON
FUEL MAY SEEM SMALL. IT REPRESENTS A POLICY MADE SO MANY
COMPROMISES IT IS INEFFECTIVE. NOVA SCOTIANS HAVE SEEN RISING
GAS PRICES FOR MORE THAN A DECADE. AND HAVE ADJUSTED THEIR
BEHAVIOUR ACCORDINGLY. AT SOME POINT YOU CANNOT REDUCE FURTHER
CONSUMPTION. .9 CENTS PER LITRE, THE CARBON TAX WILL ONLY
AFFECT TAX, NOT BEHAVIOUR. IF I QUESTION, WILL THE MINISTER
ACKNOWLEDGE THE CARBON TAX IS A POORLY CONCEIVED MEASURE THAT
TAKES MONEY OUT OF THE NOVA SCOTIANS POCKETS.
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE PREMIER.
>>AGAIN, WE HAVE A CAP AND TRADE SYSTEM, MR. SPEAKER, NOT A
CARBON TAX, MR. SPEAKER. THAT IS WHAT’S HAPPENING NEXT DOOR IN
OTHER PROVINCES. REMINDS THE HONOURABLE MEMBER THIS
GOVERNMENT WORKED HARD TO ENSURE THAT THE WORK NOVA SCOTIANS HAVE
BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST DECADE OR MORE HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED BY
THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT, MR. SPEAKER, AND THAT’S WHY WE HAVE
A CAP AND TRADE SYSTEM, NOVA SCOTIA SOLUTION TO OUR
CHALLENGES. WE KNOW THERE’S MORE WORK TO DO. WE’RE GOING TO
CONTINUE TO WORK TO GREEN UP OUR ECONOMY. AND WE WILL LOOK FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY. ALSO KNOW AS PART OF THAT, THERE’S A GREEN
FUND, THAT MONEY WOULD BE PUT BACK IN TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES
WITHIN THE GREEN ECONOMY. AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH NOVA
SCOTIANS ON THEIR OWN DOMESTIC CARBON FOOTPRINT TO HELP REDUCE
AND DPREEN UP THEIR OWN PROPERTIES — GREEN UP THEIR OWN
PROPERTIES. The Speaker: HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR NORTHSIDE WESTMOUNT.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. A
FOLLOW-UP QUESTION FOR THE MINISTER OF FINANCE. THE CARBON
TAX IS MAKING LIFE MORE EXPENSIVE. THE IMPACT OF THE
TAX AND CAP AND TRADE SYSTEM IS NOT LIMITED TO HIGHER PRICES AT
THE PUMP BUT ON THE EVERYTHING. IN A PROVINCE THAT ALREADY HAS
SUCH A HIGH COST OF LIVING, FOLKS WITH THE LEAST ROOM TO
MOVE IN THEIR BUDGETS ARE GETTING HIT THE HARDEST.
SENIORS ON A FIXED INCOME AND LOW INCOME FAMILIES ARE BEING
ASKED TO PAY MORE FOR FOODS AS THE COSTS OF INDUSTRY TRICKLE
DOWN. HAS THE DEPARTMENT CONDUCTED AN IMPACT ASSESSMENT
OF THE EFFECTS OF THE CARBON TAX ON FOOD PRICES IN NOVA SCOTIA?
[APPLAUSE] The Speaker: HONOURABLE
MINISTER OF FINANCE.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. AND
AS HAS BEEN STATED HERE BY THE PREMIER, I HOPE THE MEMBER
UNDERSTANDS THERE IS NO CARBON TAX IN NOVA SCOTIA.
The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR NORTHSIDE WESTMOUNT.
>>MR. SPEAKER, PART OF THE REASON FOOD COSTS ARE UNDER
STRESS IS THE CARBON TAX INCREASES THE COST OF TRANSPORT
FOOD FROM OR PROVINCES. THE HIGHER PRICE THEY PAY AT THE
PUMP, HIGHER PRICE WE PAY TO FEED OUR FAMILIES. PRODUCING
MORE FOOD LOCALLY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO OFFSET THESE
INCREASED FOOD PRICES. WE CONTINUE TO LAG IN THE AREA OF
ENCOURAGING LOCAL SUPPORT. MY QUESTION, MR. SPEAKER, WHERE’S
THE GOVERNMENT’S RESPONSE TO THE RISING PRICES OF FOOD DUE TO THE
CARBON TAX? The Speaker: HONOURABLE
MINISTER OF FINANCE.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. THE
MEMBER DOES TALK ABOUT LOCAL FOOD PRODUCTION AND WE CERTAINLY
WORK VERY HARD WITH OUR FISHERS, WITH OUR FARMERS TO MAKE SURE
THEY CAN GROW THE QUALITY AND THE QUANTITY OF THEIR PRODUCTS
AND THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE LOCAL PRODUCE,
THAT LOCAL PEOPLE CAN BUY LOCALLY.
[APPLAUSE] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR CUMBERLAND NORTH.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE MINISTER OF TRANSPORTATION FOR
AN UPDATE ON THE TAX THAT’S BEING CHARGED ON TRAFFIC GOING
THROUGH CUMBERLAND AND COLCHESTER.
>>ARE THE LEADERSHIP OF CONSERVATIVE LEADER, WE WERE ON
TRACK TO HAVE THE ROAD KNOWN AS THE PASS PAID OFF IN 2019. I’LL
TABLE THIS DOCUMENT WHICH ARE THE FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS FROM
2016, FORECASTED REPAYMENT OF COSTENED AND LIABILITIES RELATED
TO THIS FACILITY IS IN 2019. THE WESTERN ALIGNMENT ACT STATES
THE TOLLS ARE TO BE REMOVED ONCE THE LIABILITY IS PAID. CAN THE
MINISTER UPDATE THIS HOUSE WHEN THE COST AND LIABILITIES ARE
EXPECTED TO BE PAID. TOLLS TO BE REMOVED ON THE PASS.
The Speaker: HONOURABLE MINISTER OF TRANSPORTATION.
>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I THANK THE MEMBER OPPOSITE FOR
THE QUESTION. ANALYSIS
CONTINUES WITH WITH REGARD TO THE
POSITION WE’RE IN IN TERMS OF RETIRING THE BONDS ASSOCIATED
WITH THE COBEQUID PASS. WE STICK TO OUR COMMITMENT THAT WE
WILL BE REMOVING THE TOLLS FOR NOVA SCOTIA MOTORISTS DOWN THE
ROAD. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR CUMBERLAND NORTH.
>>THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE MINISTER WHAT IS THE
DEFINITION OF “DOWN THE ROAD.” NICE TO KNOW THE TIMELINE. I
REPRESENT THE CITIZENS OF CUMBERLAND NORTH. AND I CAN
TELL YOU THEY’RE TIRED OF PAYING THIS EXTRA TAX THAT NO ONE ELSE
IN THE PROVINCE HAS TO PAY. TRUCKERS, FISHERMEN, PEOPLE IN
THE FORESTRY INDUSTRY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY THIS TAX TO TAKE
THEIR PRODUCT TO MARKET LIKE THE PEOPLE IN CUMBERLAND NORTH. I
WOULD LIKE TO TABLE ANOTHER DOCUMENT. FINANCIAL STATEMENT
FROM 2018 THAT SAY NOW UNDER THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT, UNDER YOUR
GOVERNMENT, THE FORECASTED REPAYMENT DATE OF COSTS AND
LIABILITY HAS CHANGED TO 2026. WHY IS THAT? TODAY THE PREMIER
STATED THAT HE IS PREMIER FOR ALL CITIZENS OF NOVA SCOTIA.
NOT JUST THE LIBERAL-HELD AREAS. WHEN WILL THIS GOVERNMENT PUT
THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS AND REMOVE THIS UNFAIR TAX TO
THE CITIZENS OF CUMBERLAND NORTH.
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF TRANSPORTATION.
>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THE FACT
THE TWINNING OF THAT HIGHWAY AND THE TWINNING OF ALL THE HIGHWAYS
INVOLVED IN NOVA SCOTIA SAVES LIVES.
[APPLAUSE]>>AND, AND THERE WAS AN
ALTERNATE ROUTE AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY TO TRAVEL THROUGH
CUMBERLAND COUNTY WHICH IS THERE NO TOLL ON. I TABLED
INFORMATION IN THE HOUSE PREVIOUSLY THAT SHOWS IT IS
ACTUALLY SAVING MONEY FOR THE COMMERCIAL TRAVELER AND FOR THE
MOTORING PUBLIC TO TAKE THE TOLL HIGHWAY. THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE] The Speaker: THE OTHER THAN
OBL LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
>>MR. SPEAKER, MY QUESTION IS FOR THE MINISTER OF SERVICES
NOVA SCOTIA AND INTERNAL SERVICES. AT THE END OF
SEPTEMBER, WE LEARNED THE GOVERNMENT WOULD BE SPENDING
$28.5 MILLION TO BUY AND RENOVATE THE FORMER NEW BRIDGE
ACADEMY SITE IN DARTMOUTH AND TURN IT INTO A SCHOOL. PART OF
THE DEAL THE GOVERNMENT MADE WITH THE NEW BRIDGE BUILDING
OWNER, DONALD McDONALD, HIS COMPANY WOULD BE GIVEN A TEN
MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT TO COMPLETE RENOVATIONS ON THE
BUILDING. MR. SPEAKER, WAS THE MINISTER’S DEPARTMENT INVOLVED
IN THE TENDER FOR THE $10 MILLION IN RENOVATIONS FOR
NEW BRIDGE ACADEMY? The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MINISTER OF INTERNAL SERVICES.>>I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE
MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION. THAT PARTICULAR PROCUREMENT WAS A
REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION. IT FELL UNDER TRANSPORTATION.
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE NEW DEMOCRATIC
PARTY.>>THANK PARTICULAR PROCUREMENT
WAS NOT A PROCUREMENT. MR. SPEAKER, WE RECOGNIZE THE NEED
TO MAKE INVESTMENTS TO ADDRESS INCREASING ENROLLMENT. HOWEVER,
WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND DECISION
MAKING FOR THIS INVESTMENT WHICH WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE FIVE
YEAR SCHOOL CAPITAL PLAN TO WHICH WE HAVE BEEN POINTED TO
OVER AND OVER. THE GOVERNMENT’S PROCUREMENT WEBSITE STATES THAT
FOR PROJECTS 100,000 AND OVER FOR CONSTRUCTION, DEPARTMENTS
MUST WORK WITH PROCUREMENT TO CONDUCT THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS.
MR. SPEAKER, CAN THE MINISTER EXPLAIN HOW A 10 MILLION-DOLLAR
UNTENDERED CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT COMPLIES WITH THE GOVERNMENT’S
PROCUREMENT POLICY? The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MINISTER OF TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE RENEWAL.
>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. AND I COULDN’T BE ANY PROUDER THAN
THE ACQUISITION OF THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY IN THE
INTERESTS OF THE CSAP. AND THE CHILDREN OF NOVA SCOTIA.
[APPLAUSE]>>IT ILLUSTRATES THE NIMBLENESS
OF OUR GOVERNMENT TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO OPPORTUNITIES THAT
DISPLACES MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF FUTURE COSTS
AND GIVES A WONDERFUL FACILITY TO THE CHILDREN OF THIS
PROVINCE. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION.>>MY QUESTION IS FOR THE
PREMIER. BACK IN 2013 WHEN THE PREMIER WASN’T PROMISING A
DOCTOR FOR EVERY SINGLE NOVA SCOTIAN, HE HAD ANOTHER PROMISE.
BREAK THE MONOPOLY. MR. SPEAKER, THE PREMIER HAS MANAGED
TO WRESTLE THE POWER BEAST DOWN TO WHERE NOVA SCOTIANS ARE
PAYING ONLY THIRD HIGHEST IN CANADA. I CAN TABLE THE NR
CANADA DATA THAT SHOWS AS THE THIRD HIGHEST IN CANADA. AND
WE’RE LOOKING AT A FURTHER INCREASE, 2% IN A PROVINCE WHERE
FEWER THAN ONE HALF OF PEOPLE ARE RECEIVING A PAY INCREASE,
THE COST OF LIVING KEEPS GOING UP. MY QUESTION FOR THE
PREMIER, IS IT FAIR NOVA SCOTIANS HAVE THE THIRD HIGHEST
POWER RATES IN CANADA? The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
PREMIER.>>MR. SPEAKER, I WANT TO THANK
THE MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION. HE HIGHLIGHTS OUR GOVERNMENT HAS
STABILIZED ENERGY PRICES. RECOGNIZE THE LAST TIME THE
CONSERVATIVES WERE IN POWER, MR. SPEAKER, POWER RATES ESCALATED
BEYOND 30%. MR. SPEAKER, THE NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY WAS CLOSER
TO 40, MR. SPEAKER. THE REALITY, MR. SPEAKER, ENERGY
PRICES ARE STABLE IN THIS PROVINCE. WE’RE SEEING GROWTH
IN THE ECONOMY. WE’RE SEEING NEW OPPORTUNITIES. MORE YOUNG
PEOPLE ARE SEEING FUTURE FOR THEMSELVES HERE.
The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE. THE HONOURABLE PREMIER HAS THE
FLOOR.>>SEEING BUSINESS INVESTMENTS,
MR. SPEAKER IN THIS PROVINCE. ALL THE OUTLOOKS, THIS PROVINCE
DOING BETTER THAN MOST CANADIAN PROVINCES IN ECONOMIC GROWTH.
WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES.
IT’S WHY, MR. SPEAKER, WE CONTINUE TO TRAVEL TO MAKE SURE
WE EXPORT OUR PRODUCTS TO GROW JOBS. UNFORTUNATELY, MR.
SPEAKER, THE LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY IS AGAINST,
MR. SPEAKER, ANYONE DOING ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF OUR
PROVINCE. The Speaker: HONOURABLE
LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
>>THE LEADER OF THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY HAS MORE
FAITH IN OUR PRODUCTS THAN TO THINK THERE’S ONE COUNTRY IN THE
WORLD, THE WORLD IS BIGGER THAN JUST CHINA, MR. SPEAKER.
[APPLAUSE]>>BUT IN THE PREMIER’S LIST, HE
LEFT OFF OTHER ACCOMPLISHMENTS. THE HIGH HST RATE IN CANADA.
MAYBE HE’S HAPPY ABOUT THAT. SECOND HIGHEST INCOME TAX RATES
IN CANADA. THE THIRD HIGHEST POWER RATES, ONE, TWO, THREE,
MR. SPEAKER. ALL ATTRIBUTED TO THE, EMPLOYMENT RATES, BALANCED
BUDGETS, SEAFOOD SALES, NOVA SCOTIANS AND AVERAGE NOVA
SCOTIANS ARE FALLING BEHIND THE REST OF CANADA IN BUYING POWER
AND WEALTH. IN THE AREA THAT TRULY MATTERS. HOW MUCH MONEY
THEY HAVE LEFT IN THEIR POCKET AT THE END OF THE DAY NOVA
SCOTIANS ARE STRUGGLING. THE PREMIER DOESN’T REALIZE IT, BUT
EVERYONE ON THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE DOES. I LIKE TO ASK THE
PREMIER HOW DOES THE PREMIER FEEL ABOUT NOVA SCOTIANS HAVING
THE HIGHEST COST OF LIVING IN THE COUNTRY?
The Speaker: HONOURABLE PREMIER.
>>MR. SPEAKER, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WE’RE SEEING THE
ECONOMIC OUTLOOKS BY INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS. SEES NOVA SCOTIA,
LEADING IT’S REGION. WE’RE SEEING WAGE GROWTH INSIDE OF OUR
PROVINCE, MR. SPEAKER. PEOPLE, MR. SPEAKER, ARE MAKING THE
DECISIONS BASED WITH THEIR WALLETS. COMING BACK TO LIVE
HERE, MR. SPEAKER. WE HAVE SEEN INCREASE IN OUR POPULATION. WE
HAVE SEEN MORE PEOPLE REPATRIATED BACK INSIDE OF
CANADA, MR. SPEAKER. THE COHORT BETWEEN 18 AND 34 IS GROWING.
AGE OF THIS PROVINCE IS GOING DOWN, MR. SPEAKER. THE
HONOURABLE MEMBER, MR. SPEAKER, HAS TO ADMIT, MR. SPEAKER,.
The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE. THE HONOURABLE PREMIER HAS THE
FLOOR.>>ALWAYS HAS TO BE NEGATIVE,
MR. SPEAKER. ATTACK HARD WORKING NOVA SCOTIANS. WHEN WE
GO TO CHINA, PRIVATE SECTOR JOINS US. THE E.U., MR.
SPEAKER, IT’S THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT JOINS US. INTO THE UNITED
STATES, PRIVATE SECTOR JOINS US. WE ARE GROWING GOOD ECONOMIC
OPPORTUNITIES. GOOD JOBS, MR. SPEAKER IN THE ECONOMY. THE
HONOURABLE MEMBER IS OPPOSED FOR US EXPORTING OUT OF THIS
PROVINCE. IT’S A RECIPE FOR FAILURE. TORIES TRIED IT
BEFORE. IT HASN’T WORKED. The Speaker: HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR SACKVILLE COBEQUID.>>MR. SPEAKER, MY QUESTION IS
TO THE MINISTER OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. OVER THIS PAST
SPRING, A COALITION OF 19 GROUPS BANDED TOGETHER TO PRESSURE THE
GOVERNMENT REGARDING ITS APPROACH TO CHILD POVERTY. THE
COALITION BELIEVED THE APPROACH AUGHT TO BE APPROACHED WITH
RISING POVERTY. STATISTICS CANADA FIGURES SHOW THIS, I’LL
TABLE IT, THAT’S MORE THAN ONE IN FIVE CHILDREN LIVING IN
POVERTY. AND HEARING TODAY THAT GIVEN THE CONTINUED COMMENTS
ABOUT INVESTING IN AND EMPHASIS ON THE NOVA SCOTIA ECONOMY, BY
THIS GOVERNMENT, WILL THE MINISTER TELL US WHY NOVA SCOTIA
WAS ALONE IN SEEING CHILD POVERTY RATES RISE?
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF COMMUNITY SERVICES.
>>THANK YOU THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION. WHEN
THOSE STATISTICS CANADA STATS DID COME OUT, WE THOUGHT THEY
DID NOT MAKE SENSE. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN MAKING
MASSIVE INVESTMENTS IN NOVA SCOTIAN CHILDREN. IN 2017,-18.
NEARLY 600 MILLION, MR. SPEAKER. THE NUMBERS DIDN’T MAKE SENSE TO
US. THAT’S WHY WE HAVE GONE BACK TO STATISTICS CANADA AND
ASKED THEM TO DO A DEEP DIVE AROUND THIS BECAUSE IT DOESN’T
MAKE SENSE TO US. IN MY NEXT ANSWER, MR. SPEAKER,ING IN MY
NEXT ANSWER, MR. SPEAKER, I’LL BE HAPPY TO OUTLINE THE STEPS WE
ARE TAKING TO REDUCE POVERTY AMONG NOVA SCOTIAENS.
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR SACKVILLE COBEQUID.
>>THANK YOU, MINISTER FOR THAT RESPONSE. YOU’LL GET THE
OPPORTUNITY. DISHEARTENING AS THOSE STATISTICS ARE I JUST
MENTIONED, THE SITUATION IS EVEN WORSE RELATIVE TO OTHER
PROVINCES. NOVA SCOTIA WAS THE ONLY PROVINCE IN THE ENTIRE
COUNTRY THAT SAW THESE CHILD POVERTY RATES INCREASE AND THOSE
RECENT SURVEYS. THE GOVERNMENT HAS HAD SIX YEARS TO MAKE AN
IMPACT ON THOSE NUMBERS. SIX YEARS TO IMPROVE THE OUTCOMES
FOR THE NEEDIEST OF OUR CHILDREN. BUT THE POVERTY RATES
GET WORSE AND WORSE. SO, MR. SPEAKER, WILL THE MINISTER
CLARIFY AS TO WHAT ADDITIONAL STEPS HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO HELP
FIGHT THESE CHILD POVERTY RATES WITHIN OUR PROVINCE SINCE THE
LAST SESSION? The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MINISTER OF COMMUNITY SERVICES.>>I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE
HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION AND AS I INDICATED, WE
HAVE GONE BACK TO STATISTICS CANADA BECAUSE WE DO BELIEVE
THERE’S AN ERROR IN THAT. IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. I WOULD
POINT OUT, MR. SPEAKER, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE INVESTMENTS THAT
WE MAKE IN OUR CLIENTS THAT ARE NOT AN EXCHANGE OF MONEY.
THINGS LIKE THE FREE BUS PASS, FOR EXAMPLE. IT DOESN’T INCLUDE
THINGS LIKE THE BUILDING VIBRANT COMMUNITIES GRANTS, MR. SPEAKER,
THAT HELP COMMUNITIES DEAL WITH ISSUES, LIKE FOOD INSECURITY. I
WOULD NOTE FOR THIS HOUSE THE MOST RECENT CALLS FOR BUILDING
VIBRANT COMMUNITIES WENT OUT ON OCTOBER 1st. IF THEY HAVE
ORGANIZATIONS IN COMMUNITIES THAT WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE
IN THIS. I WOULD POINT OUT, MR. SPEAKER, WE MADE A NUMBER OF
INVESTMENTS SINCE THOSE PARTICULAR STATISTICS CAME OUT,
INCLUDING DOUBLING THE POVERTY REDUCTION YESTERDAY AND WE’RE
GOING TO HAVE THE STANDARD HOUSEHOLD RATE COMING IN IN
JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. THANK YOU.
The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH EAST.
>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. MY QUESTION IS FOR THE MINISTER OF
HEALTH. INDIVIDUALS WHO WORK IN CARE GIVING PROFESSIONS ARE
SOMETIMES AMONG THE LOWEST PAID. THE HOURS REQUIRED ARE LONG.
THE WORK IS USUALLY PHYSICALLY DEMANDING. PROFESSIONALS LIKE
CCAs ARE BECOMING MORE NECESSARY AS THE POPULATION OF
OUR PROVINCE CONTINUES TO AGE. THE CCA BURSARY PROGRAM WAS
REINSTATED BUT CCA WAGES HAVEN’T INCREASED. LEAVING PEOPLE TO
FEEL UNMOTIVATED AT TIMES TO JOIN THE PROFESSION AND FILL THE
LABOUR SHORTAGE. MY QUESTION FOR THE MINISTER IS THIS: HAS
THE GOVERNMENT CONSIDERED RAISING THE BASE WAGE FOR CCAs
AS A WAY TO FILL THE LABOUR SHORTAGE. THANK YOU, MR.
SPEAKER. The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MINISTER OF HEALTH.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I
THANK THE MEMBER FOR HIS QUESTION. INDEED, WE AS A
GOVERNMENT SHARE AND I PERSONALLY SHARE THE RECOGNITION
OF THE IMPORTANT WORK THAT CCAs AND OTHER HEALTH-CARE
PROVIDERS PROVIDE TO THE CITIZENS OF NOVA SCOTIA EACH AND
EVERY DAY. MR. SPEAKER, THE MEMBER WOULD KNOW LAST YEAR, WE
HAD BROUGHT TOGETHER AN EXPERT PANEL OF ADVISORS TO LOOK AT THE
LONG-TERM CARE SECTOR, MUCH OF THE ADVICE AND RECOMMENDATIONS
THEY MADE FOCUS IN ON WORK FORCE PLANNING. AND ACKNOWLEDGING THE
CHALLENGES AND SOME ASPECTS OF RECRUITMENT AND TRAINING FOR
CCAs. MR. SPEAKER, WE HAVE STARTED ALREADY ON A NUMBER OF
THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. THE BURSARY IS ONE, MR. SPEAKER,
RECENTLY MADE CHANGES TO THE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA TO PERFORM
THE WORK, MR. SPEAKER, WHICH WILL HELP US WITH INTERNATIONAL
PRACTITIONER TO COME IN. WE ARE TAKING STEPS. WE’RE COMMITTED
TO DOING MORE. The Speaker: HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH EAST.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER.
DIRECT MY SUPPLEMENTARY TO THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION. ANOTHER
PROFESSION THAT INVOLVES IMPORTANT WORK THAT CAN BE
EMOTIONALLY AND PHYSICALLY DEMANDING IS EARLY CHILDHOOD
EDUCATION. ECE’S CARRY FOR CHILDREN AT AN IMPORTANT
DEVELOPMENT. WAGES ARE LOW. ECE’S ARE ANOTHER PROFESSION
WHERE PEOPLE ARE CRYING OUT FOR HELP BECAUSE WE NEED MORE PEOPLE
WORKING IN THE FIELD. THE GOVERNMENT ISN’T ABLE TO FILL
THAT NEED. WE KNOW, MR. SPEAKER, THE RUSH TO
IMPLEMENTATION OF PRE PRIMARY FURTHER STRAINED THE STAFFING
ISSUES WITH EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATORS. MY QUESTION FOR THE
MINISTER IS THIS: AS THE POPULATION CONTINUES TO GROW AND
ECEs ARE MORE IN DEMAND, HAS THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION
STARTED DISCUSSIONS TO INCREASE THE FLOOR WAGE FOR EARLY
CHILDHOOD EDUCATORS. The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MINISTER OF EDUCATION.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. OUR
GOVERNMENT HAS DONE THAT IN OUR PREVIOUS MANDATE. WE ALMOST
DOUBLED THE SUBSIDY TO THE CHILD CARE SECTOR. 26 MILLION WAS TO
SUBSIDIZE PRIVATE BUSINESSES AND NOT-FOR-PROFITS TO INCREASE
THEIR WAGES FOR EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATORS, WE HAVE SEEN THE WAGE
MOVER FROM $12 AN HOUR, LOWEST IN THE COUNTRY TO $18 AN HOUR,
MR. SPEAKER WHICH BRINGS US AT OR ABOVE THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IN
MOST CASES. FURTHERMORE, BECAUSE WE VALUE THE WORK OF ECE
AND RECOGNIZE ONE IN FOUR NOVA SCOTIANS ARE ACCESSING THE
SERVICE, WE CREATED 500 IN PREPRIMARY. WE’RE TRAINING MORE
PEOPLE. IT’S NEVER BEEN A BETTER TIME TO BE AN ECE. WE’LL
BE GRADUATING ANOTHER 200 YEAR FROM OUR CAMPUS.
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR NORTH SIDE WEST
MOUNT.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. MY
QUESTION IS FOR THE MINISTER OF FINANCE. WE CAN AGREE THE CRAFT
BEER INDUSTRY IS ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE LOCAL ECONOMY
OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS. IT HAS GROWN FROM A HANDFUL
PLAYERS TO 50 BREWERS FROM ONE END OF THE PROVINCE TO THE
OTHER. THE RETAIL SALES MARK UP ALLOCATIONS IMPACTS CRAFT
BREWERS DESPITE CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION. I WOULD LIKE TO
TABLE THIS REPORT. THE MARITIME ALLOWS BREWERS, LIKE LABATTS TO
PRODUCE BEER OUTSIDE THE PROVINCE AND SELL IT HERE
WITHOUT PAYING THE RSMA. CHARGE CRAFT BREWERS WITHIN THE
PROVINCE. MY QUESTION TO THE MINISTER. WHY DO CRAFT BREWERS
HAVE TO PAY THE RSMA FOR SALES OF THEIR PRODUCT WITHIN THE
PROVINCE WHEN LARGER ESTABLISHED BREWERS CAN GET AROUND IT.
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MINISTER OF FINANCE.
>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I DOP WANT TO SAY TO ALL THOSE
CRAFT BREWERS, CONGRATULATIONS ON GROWING THE INDUSTRY. WE
HAVE SEEN THAT. [APPLAUSE]
>>WE CERTAINLY HAVE SEEN A LOT OF GROWTH IN THAT INDUSTRY. AND
TO THE MEMBER’S QUESTION IN PARTICULAR, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE
CONVERSATION WITH THE CRAFT ABUSER ABOUT THE RSMA. WE NEED
TO SUPPORT THE SMALL CRAFT BREWERS IN THIS PROVINCE.
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR NORTHSIDE WESTMOUNT.
>>MR. SPEAKER, MY QUESTION TO THE MINISTER IS WHAT STEPS WILL
THE MINISTER TAKE TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD SO OUT OF PROVINCE
BREWERS PAY THE SAME MARK UP FEE NOVA SCOTIA BREWERS ARE FORCED
TO PAY? The Speaker: HONOURABLE
MINISTER OF FINANCE.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I
WILL REPEAT MY FIRST COMMENT. MY FIRST QUESTION ABOUT WHAT ARE
WE DOING? WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH CRAFT BREWERS. WE MEET
WITH THEM REGULARLY. WE ARE LISTENING. WE WILL RESPOND
BECAUSE I WILL REPEAT, WE WANT TO SUPPORT THE CRAFT BREW
INDUSTRY IN THIS PROVINCE. The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE.
TIME ALLOTTED FOR ORAL QUESTIONS PUT BY MEMBERS TO MINISTERS HAS
EXPIRED. OPPOSITION BUSINESS, HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR VICTORIA
OF THE LAKES ON AN INTRODUCTION.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I
DRAW THE MEMBERS’ ATTENTION TO THE WEST GALLERY. WE’RE JOINED
THIS AFTERNOON BY A FORMER COLLEAGUE OF SOME PEOPLE IN THIS
LEGISLATURE. BUT A COLLEAGUE OF A FEW OF US FOR A NUMBER OF
YEARS. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK RODNEY CHISHOLM TO STAND UP AND
BE RECOGNIZED. [APPLAUSE]
The Speaker: NOW MOVE ON TO OPPOSITION BUSINESS.
HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION.>>CALL BILLS FOR SECOND
READING.>>BILL NUMBER 173, AN ACT TO
AMEND THE EDUCATION ACT. The Speaker: BILL NUMBER
173, AN ACT TO AMEND THE EDUCATION ACT AND THE CSAP ACT.
HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH EAST.
>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. MR. SPEAKER, IT IS MY HONOUR TO RISE
AND SPEAK ON A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF LEGISLATION. I BELIEVE
THAT’S BEFORE OUR HOUSE, BEFORE OUR LEGISLATURE. BILL 173. AN
ACT TO AMEND THE EDUCATION ACT AND THE CSAP ACT WITH RESPECT TO
OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL POLICY, GRADE SEVEN TO NINE. DEALING WITH THE
CONTENT OF THE OUTCOMES IN OUR HEALTHY LIVING COURSES IN JUNIOR
HIGH SCHOOL. WE FEEL, MR. SPEAKER IN THIS CHAMBER WITH
IMPORTANT PIECES OF LEGISLATION. – WE DEAL. I KNOW FOR MANY
MEMBERS OF THIS CHAMBER AS PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS,
CERTAIN PIECES OF LEGISLATION I THINK ARE OF THE UTMOST
IMPORTANCE. AND THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION BROUGHT FORTH BY THE
MEMBER FROM PICTOU WEST IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF LEGISLATION
THAT I HOPE THE, THIS GOVERNMENT AND THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION
AND EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT TAKES TIME TO EXAMINE. THE
BILL, MR. SPEAKER, IS ASKING THE GOVERNMENTS TO BRING FORTH
CURRICULUM ON HUMAN TRAFFICKING. NOW, MR. SPEAKER, AS A FORMER
TEACHER IN DARTMOUTH, THIS IS SOMETHING I’M ALL TOO FAMILIAR
WITH. HEARING STORIES IN THE HALLWAYS, IN THE SCHOOL I
THOUGHT AT IN DARTMOUTH, HEARING STORIES IN THE CLASSROOM. WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT A FRIGHTENING SUBJECT THAT IS ALL TOO REAL FOR
A GREAT MANY YOUNG WOMEN, FOR TOO MANY NOVA SCOTIANS. WE NEED
TO HAVE THE CURRICULUM IN OUR SCHOOL CONNECTED TO WHAT IS
HAPPENING IN SOCIETY. I THINK WE WOULD ALL AGREE FOR THOSE OF
US IN THIS HOUSE WHO ARE PARENTS, WE WANT OUR KIDS
EXPOSED TO MATERIAL THAT HELPS THEM UNDERSTAND THE WORLD AROUND THEM. THAT’S WHAT THIS BILL IS
ASKING. THE BILL IS ASKING TO UPDATE THE CURRICULUM, MR.
SPEAKER, FOR WHAT UNFORTUNATELY IS HAPPENING WITHIN OUR
PROVINCE. WITHIN OUR COUNTRY.
LET’S NOT MIX OUR WORDS, MR. SPEAKER, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT
HUMAN TRAFFICKING, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT
ERADICATING MODERN DAY SLAVERY. I BELIEVE FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT
BARACK OBAMA REFERRED TO IT AS SUCH. AND MR. SPEAKER, WE NEED
TO SPEAK PLAINLY. BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS AROUND OUR
CHILDREN. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT OUR CHILDREN IN TERMS OF
WHAT THEY’RE TAUGHT IN SCHOOL NEED TO BE EXPOSED TO. WE ALL
KNOW, MR. SPEAKER, THAT THE PURPOSE OF EDUCATION AT ITS CORE
IS TO EQUIP OUR STUDENTS WITH THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE SKILLS TO
NAVIGATE IN THIS WORLD. TO BE B ABLE TO HAVE THE SKILLS TO
IDENTIFY THE DANGERS THAT MAY BE AROUND THEM. MR. SPEAKER, I
HAVE A DAUGHTER IN GRADE SIX. AND SHE ATTENDS A LOCAL HIGH
SCHOOL IN DARTMOUTH. THERE’S SO MANY KIDS AT HER ELEMENTARY
SCHOOL. THEY PUT THE GRADE SIXES AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.
ALREADY I CAN TELL AFTER A MONTH-AND-A-HALF, SHE IS AWARE
OF THINGS THAT YOU WOULDN’T THINK A TYPICAL GRADE SIX
STUDENT IS AWARE OF. THE WORLD
CRASHES DOWN ON OUR KIDS VERY, VERY QUICKLY. SO IT IS
CRITICAL, MR. SPEAKER, THAT AS A GOVERNMENT, CURRICULUM IS
CONSTANTLY MODIFIED. THE PURPOSE OF THIS BILL IS ABOUT
PREVENTION. TO ALLOW OUR YOUNG NOVA SCOTIANS TO BE ABLE TO
IDENTIFY THE SIGNS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING. THAT COMES BACK,
MR. SPEAKER, TO THE PURPOSE OF EDUCATION. TO MAKE SURE OUR
KIDS HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE, THE WISDOM, THE SKILLS TO IDENTIFY
THE DANGERS THAT EXIST IN THIS WORLD. THIS BILL, MR. SPEAKER,
IS TALKING ABOUT EMPOWERING OUR YOUTH SO THAT THEY ARE FULLY
COGNISANT AND AWARE OF THE HORRIBLE ACTIONS THAT ARE TAKING
PLACE. MR. SPEAKER, I’M AWARE OF THIS ISSUE IN MANY RESPECTS
AS A TEACHER KNOWING SOME OF MY FORMER STUDENTS, THIS WAS A
WORLD THAT THEY WERE SURROUNDED IN. THIS IS FRIGHTENING. THIS
IS HORRIFIC. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, MR. SPEAKER, TO
BEGIN A PROCESS PERHAPS OF GETTING INFORMATION INTO OUR
CLASSROOMS, SPECIFICALLY FROM GRADE SEVEN TO NINE TO MAKE SURE
OUR KIDS ARE FULLY INFORMED OF THE HORRORS OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING
TRAFFICKING. MAKE NO MISTAKE, MR. SPEAKER, TRAFFICKERS ARE
MASTER MANIPULATORS. MASTER
MANIPULATORS. IN ORDER TO COUNTER THAT AMONG OUR YOUTH,
OUR YOUTH NEED TO KNOW THE WARN SIGNS OF SOME OF THESE MASTER MANIPULATORS. AND IN TERMS OF
CONTENTS OF WHAT SHOULD GO INTO A COURSE LIKE THIS, MR. SPEAKER,
ALLOW ME AS A FORMER TEACHER TO GIVE SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT. I
HOPE THE GOVERNMENT TAKES THIS WITHIN ADVISEMENT. FIRST AND
FOREMOST, AS THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE MASTER MANIPULATORS, I THINK
OUR YOUTH NEED TO BE AWARE THAT MANY OF THEM, THEY TRY TO POISE
THEMSELVES AS THEIR BOYFRIEND, OR GIRLFRIEND OR LOVER. THE
LEVEL OF BETRAYAL THAT EXISTS THERE IS I CAN ONLY IMAGINE IS
UNBELIEVABLE. THESE MASTER MANIPULATORS LOOK TO GIFT, TO
GIVE JEWELLERY AND CELLPHONES TO PROVIDE COMPUTERS, CLOTHING, AND
PETS. HERE, MR. SPEAKER, I THINK WE HAVE TO EXPOSE OUR
YOUTH TO WHAT A HEALTHY RELATIONSHIP LOOKS LIKE. HERE
WE HAVE TO EXPOSE OUR STUDENTS AND ENGAGE IN CONVERSATIONS OF
WHAT MANIPULATION LOOKS LIKE. MANY RESPECTS, MR. SPEAKER, WE
SEE THESE MANIPULATORS TALKING ABOUT A BETTER LIFE-STYLE.
SPECIFICALLY IN MANY CASES FOR THESE YOUNG LADIES. AND SOME
CASES THEY PROVIDE ALCOHOL. AND THEY PROVIDE DRUGS. THEY POSE
THEMSELVES, MR. SPEAKER, AS APPARENTLY PROVIDING EMOTIONAL
STABILITY, LOVE, AND COME PAN I DON’T KNOW COMPANIONSHIP. THE END GOAL,
MR. SPEAKER, BY TALKING ABOUT SUCH THINGS IS TO REDUCE THE
VULNERABILITY OF OUR CHILDREN TO THESE MASTER MANIPULATORS SO
THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THE RED FLAG TO LOOK FOR ARE
THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO AVOID. WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, MR.
SPEAKER, THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS BILL IS FOR OUR STUDENTS TO
LEARN TO IDENTIFY THESE MASTER MANIPULATORS. AND IN SOME
CASES, THEY’RE ALSO PROVIDING RIDES. THEY ARE PROVIDING
HOUSING. AND SHELTER. THESE ARE OPEN CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE
TO HAPPEN IN OUR CLASSROOMS. I DON’T DOUBT, MR. SPEAKER, THAT
INFORMALLY, I’M SURE SOME OF OUR TEACHERS THROUGHOUT NOVA SCOTIA
ARE TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS. HOWEVER, WHAT WE’RE SAYING IS IT
NEEDS TO BE MAN AT A MANDATED. THERE HAS
TO BE STRUCTURE, CLEAR OUTCOMES. TARGETS THAT TEACHERS KNOW THAT
HAVE TO BE COVERED WITHIN THE CURRICULUM. WE KNOW, MR.
SPEAKER, MASTER MANIPULATORS, THEY POSE AS A CONFIDANTE. THEY
POSE AS A TRUSTED ADULT. A FRIEND. AND A PEER. GETTING
OUR STUDENTS, OUR YOUNG PEOPLE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND PUSH
THROUGH THESE MANIPULATIVE TACTICS THAT MEN OF THEM EMPLOY.
— MANY OF THEM EMPLOY. IN SOME CASES WE HEAR THEIR BRAINWASHING
OUR YOUTH WITH ROMANTIC IDEAS. THEY’RE USING OTHER VICTIMS TO
SEEK OUT AND RECRUIT POTENTIAL FUTURE VICTIMS. WHICH WE OFTEN
KNOW FROM THE RESEARCH THAT’S BEEN DONE THE PEER TO PEER
RECRUITING THAT IS HAPPENING. SO, MR. SPEAKER, ALL OF THIS,
ALL OF THIS, THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN IN OUR
CLASSROOM IN A STRUCTURED WAY, LET US NOT FORGET THEY ARE MEANT
TO PREVENT THE OCCURRENCES OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING. THIS IS AN
UNCOMFORTABLE SUBJECT. AND I HOPE A LOT OF US IN THIS ROOM
ARE FEELING UNCOMFORTABLE. BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE
ALL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO DO ABOUT, TO TAKE CARE OF, TO DEAL
WITH. AND CERTAINLY FROM AN EDUCATION POINT OF VIEW, THE
MOST COMMON APPROACH WE CAN TAKE AT THE MOMENT IS TO HAVE CLEAR
OUTCOMES, MANDATED SO THAT OUR TEACHERS ARE GIVEN STRUCTURE.
OUR TEACHERS ARE GIVEN CLEAR OUTCOMES. WE KNOW, MR. SPEAKER,
THAT THESE MASTER MANIPULATORS, WE KNOW THEY’RE PAYING FOR
PERSONAL GROOMING. WE KNOW
THEY’RE HOSTING PARTIES FOR YOUTH. THE WAY THEY OFTEN
MANIPULATE AND MAINTAIN CONTROL IS THROUGH THREATS OF VIOLENCE.
THROUGH ISOLATION FROM FRIENDS.
AND FAMILIES. THIS IS FRIGHTENING. THIS IS
FRIGHTENING TO THINK THIS IS HAPPENING TO MANY OF OUR YOUNG
PEOPLE HERE IN NOVA SCOTIA. WE KNOW THAT THE TRAFFICKING IS
HAPPENING ON-LINE. IT’S HAPPENING IN THE HALLWAYS OF OUR
SCHOOLS. IT’S HAPPENING AT PLACES OF WORK. IT’S HAPPENING
IN PLACES IN THE HOME. MR. SPEAKER, A HOLISTIC APPROACH
WITHIN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM, THE TIME IS NOW. I BELIEVE THE
GOVERNMENT, THE MINISTER HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THE
INITIATIVE, TO SHOW THE LEADERSHIP, TO HAVE A STRUCTURE
WITHIN GRADE SEVEN TO NINE TO ENSURE THAT THERE ARE FORMAL
STRUCTURED CONVERSATIONS TAKING PLACE WITHIN OUR CLASSROOMS.
AGAIN, MR. SPEAKER, AS WE ALL KNOW, SYSTEMS MUST CONSTANTLY BE
REVIEWED. THEY MUST CONSTANTLY BE UPDATED. THIS IS A MATTER OF
CRITICAL IMPORTANCE TO THE SAFETY, HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF
OUR YOUNG NOVA SCOTIANS. I ENCOURAGE THE GOVERNMENT NOT TO
DELAY. BEGIN THE PROCESS OF CURRICULUM DEVELOPMENT,
CONSULTATION. BEGIN THE PROCESS OF MEETING WITH THOSE WITH LIVED
EXPERIENCE THROUGH THIS HORROR SO THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MITIGATE,
REDUCE THE INCIDENCES OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING. ONE OF THE MOST
EYE OPENING EXPERIENCES I HAD, MR. SPEAKER, WAS A FEW WEEKS AGO
WHEN I ATTENDED A HUMAN TRAFFICKING CONFERENCE AT SAINT
ST. MARY’S UNIVERSITY. TO HEAR THE ACCOUNTS OF THE SURVIVORS OF
HUMAN TRAFFICKING. IT WAS A VERY POWERFUL MOMENT. MR.
SPEAKER, MANY OF US IN THIS CHAMBER ARE PARENTS. MANY OF US
ARE GRANDPARENTS IN THIS CHAMBER. WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE
TERRIBLE THINGS HAPPENING OUT THERE. I KNOW WE ALL WANT THE
CURRICULUM THAT IS PREVENTIVE, A CURRICULUM THAT EQUIPS OUR
STUDENTS WITH THE SKILLS AND THE KNOWLEDGE TO BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE
THE GOOD THINGS IN LIFE, BUT ALSO IN THIS INSTANCE, THE
HORRIBLE REALITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE. THIS REALITY THAT EXISTS
I BELIEVE CAN BE COMBATED AND DEFEATED ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS.
THIS IS ONE. THIS IS ONE APPROACH TO EMBED A CURRICULUM
IN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM THAT FOCUSES ON THOSE THINGS THAT I
OUTLINED THAT COULD COMPOSE THE CONTENT OF THOSE OUTCOMES. OF
COURSE, MR. SPEAKER, WHENEVER WE BRING IN NEW MATERIAL, WE NEED
TO ENSURE OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS ARE EQUIPPED WITH THE
NECESSARY RESOURCES, EQUIPPED WITH THE NECESSARY PROFESSIONAL
DEVELOPMENTS TO MAXIMIZE THOSE LEARNING OUTCOMES FOR OUR
STUDENTS. MR. SPEAKER, I BELIEVE THE BILL BEFORE THIS
HOUSE IS DEFINITELY WORTHY OF THIS GOVERNMENT’S CONSIDERATION.
I BELIEVE, MR. SPEAKER, THE MINISTER AND THIS GOVERNMENT HAS
AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY MAKE A POSITIVE STEP FORWARD IN
COMBATING ESSENTIALLY MODERN DAY SLAVERY, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS
GOVERNMENT TO CONSULT WITH THOSE THAT HAVE SURVIVED THE HORRORS
OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING. SO I ENCOURAGE THIS GOVERNMENT. I
ENCOURAGE THE GOVERNMENT TO SHOW LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE. THIS
IS IN MANY RESPECTS, I BELIEVE, AND I CAN TELL OTHERS, THIS IS A
NON PARTISAN ISSUE. WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE WELL-BEING
AND SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN. I BELIEVE, MR. SPEAKER, ALL OF US
WANT THE MATERIAL THAT IS TAUGHT IN OUR SCHOOLS TO ADDRESS THE
REALITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE IN SOCIETY. SO I ENCOURAGE THE
GOVERNMENT TO PASS THIS BILL. I HOPE THIS GOVERNMENT WILL DO
THAT. THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. [APPLAUSE] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR HALIFAX ATLANTIC.>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I
APPRECIATE THE WORDS FROM THE MEMBER FROM DARTMOUTH EAST. MR.
SPEAKER, I DON’T KNOW WHERE TO START ON THIS, THERE’S A LOT TO
SAY. SOME OF THE STATISTICS AROUND HUMAN TRAFFICKING ARE
PAINFUL TO READ AND THEY’RE PAINFUL TO LOOK AT. ANY
INDIVIDUAL THAT IS A VICTIM OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING, ONE VICTIM IS
TOO MANY. I CAN TELL YOU, I THINK MOST PEOPLE ASSOCIATE SOME
OF THIS STUFF, I HAVE SOME FRIENDS, LET ME START BY SAYING,
I WANT TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THE WONDERFUL ORGANIZATIONS I HAVE
THE GREAT PLEASURE TO HAVE THE YWCA OFFICE, THE MAIN OFFICE IN
MY COMMUNITY, PEOPLE LIKE MIA WHO HAS BEEN AN OUTSTANDING
ADVOCATE FOR WOMEN’S RIGHTS AND FOUGHT HARD AND CONTINUES TO
FIGHT HARD, NOT ONLY AGAINST HUMAN TRAFFICKERS, BUT ALSO TO
GIVE THE PROPER RESOURCES AND A SAFE LANDING SPOT FOR THOSE THAT
HAVE EXPERIENCED THIS HORRIFIC CRIME. AND EXPERIENCED THINGS
THAT NO ONE IN THIS CHAMBER COULD PROBABLY IMAGINE. I ALSO
THINK OF PEOPLE LIKE LINDA WILSON, WHO HAS DEDICATED HER
LIFE. SHE NOW IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR SHELTER NOVA
SCOTIA. BUT BEFORE THAT, SHE WAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR HOME
BRIDGE YOUTH SOCIETY. AND THEN PHOENIX HOUSE AND BEFORE THAT
SHE WORKED AT ADDISON HOUSE. THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE HAD
OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS OF MY LIFE WITH HER ARE TROUBLING .
YOU KNOW, AS SOMEONE WHO SPENT 30 YEARS WORKING IN THAT FIELD,
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE HAS TOLD ME IS THAT THERE’S A
TARGET. THERE’S A TARGET ON KIDS IN GROUP HOMES. THERE IS A
TARGET ON KIDS THAT ARE LIVING IN CARE. AND THAT THESE –
DISGUSTING HUMAN BEINGS THAT COME FORWARD AND PREY ON THESE
YOUNG GIRLS AND BOYS WILL HANG OUTSIDE OF THESE GROUP HOMES AND
THEY WILL HANG OUTSIDE OF FOSTER HOMES AND AROUND THE SCHOOLS TO
TRY TO SHOW THESE CHILDREN THAT THEY CARE. THAT SOMEBODY CARES
FOR THEM. THEY’LL BUY THEM CLOTHES, FOOD. LIKE I SAID,
OUTSIDE THE MATERIAL OF THINGS, THEY’LL SHOW THEM LOVE, WHICH A
LOT OF THESE INDIVIDUALS FEEL THEY’RE MISSING. THEY’LL SHOW
THEM WHAT THEY THINK IS DIGNITY AND RESPECT. JUST TO LURE THEM
IN. A LOT OF TIMES WHAT THEY’LL DO, THE FIRST THING THEY’LL DO
IS ONES THEY LURE THEM IN, THEY REMOVE THEM FROM THEIR FRIENDS.
THEY’LL REMOVE THEM FROM THEIR COMMUNITIES. THEY’LL REMOVE
THEM FROM ANY SUPPORT GROUP OR INDIVIDUALS THEY MAY HAVE THAT
THEY CAN LEAN ON. THEY TAKE THEM TO PLACES LIKE TORONTO,
MONTREAL AND OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE THEY’RE ALONE.
THE ONLY PERSON THAT THEY CAN TRULY RELY ON OR THEY FEEL THEY
CAN RELY ON IS THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE LURED THEM INTO A LIFE
OF MISERY. I HAVE NO – I HAVE HAD FRIENDS. I HAVE HAD A CLOSE
FRIEND OF MINE WHO I WORKED WITH YEARS AGO, WHO THIS GENTLEMAN,
I’M NOT DOING TO GET INTO NAMES. IT WAS IN THE MEDIA YEARS AGO.
VERY BIG INTIMIDATING PERSON. 6’10”, PLAYED IN THE NBA FOR A
LITTLE WHILE. PROBABLY ONE OF THE NICEST PEOPLE YOU WILL EVER
MEET. BUT HE WAS A VERY, VERY BIG HUMAN BEING. HE HAS DAUGHTERS. A VERY GOOD LIFE.
AND HIS DAUGHTER WENT MISSING. SHE WAS LURED INTO HUMAN
TRAFFICKING. SHE WAS SHIPPED OFF TO TORONTO. AND THE ONLY
REASON WHY I TELL THIS STORY IS LIKE I SAID, IT WAS PUBLIC. AND
LIKE I SAID, I DON’T WANT TO GET INTO NAMES. BUT HE WAS VERY –
HE WAS VERY PUBLIC ABOUT HIS STORY. HE ACTUALLY SENT A PLEA
OUT TO THE PUBLIC TO HELP. THANKFULLY, THANKFULLY, THAT
STORY ENDED AS GOOD AS IT POSSIBLY COULD. I DON’T MEAN
THAT AS IT’S A POSITIVE ENDING TO THE STORY OR THE STORY WAS
POSITIVE. I MEAN HIS DAUGHTER WAS RETURNED HOME. SHE
EXPERIENCED A LOT OF TRAUMA. THEY HAD THE RESOURCES AND THE
MEANS TO DO WHATEVER THEY COULD TO TRY TO HELP HER OUT. BUT A
LOT OF THOSE STORIES DON’T ENDS THAT WAY. A LOT OF THOSE
STORIES GO ON FOR MONTHS, YEARS, AND DECADES. THOSE YOUNG WOMEN
BECOME, THOSE YOUNG GIRLS BECOME WOMEN. AND THEY’RE HORRIBLY
ABUSED OVER THAT TIME. SHE WAS ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES THAT WAS
ABLE TO ESCAPE WITHIN A MONTH OR SO. BUT WE’RE HEARING MORE AND
MORE STORIES. I THINK PART OF IT, YOU START, FOR ME
PERSONALLY, YOU START TO TURN YOUR ATTENTION – LIKE GROWING
UP THE WAY I DID, I KNEW YOUNG GIRLS THAT WERE INVOLVED. YOUNG
GIRLS THAT WERE FORCED INTO THIS. YOUNG GIRLS THAT
UNFORTUNATELY DIDN’T ESCAPE THE LIFE. AND SOME GIRLS THAT DID
ESCAPE THE LIFE. I KNEW SOME YOUNG BOYS AND MEN THAT WERE
PART – THEY WERE ALSO VICTIMS. SOME OF THEM ESCAPED. AND
UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF THEM DIDN’T. SOME OF THEM TOOK THEIR
LIVES. SOME OF THEM WENT ON TO HAVE VERY SERIOUS DRUG
ADDICTIONS, AN IMPACT IT’S HAD ON THEIR LIFE. SOME OF THEM
ENDED UP IN THE FEDERAL AND PROVINCIAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
THESE THINGS RUIN LIVES. THESE, I USE THE TERM LOOSELY, PEOPLE
THAT LURE THESE YOUNG, YOUTH IN TO THESE POSITIONS, I THINK, AND
THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION ARE LOWER THAN ANYTHING THERE IS
ON EARTH. THEY’RE PREYING ON
VULNERABILITIES, AND I HAVE TALKED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS
AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND PEOPLE THAT ARE FORCED INTO THIS IS
CHANGING. IT’S CHANGING BECAUSE OF TECHNOLOGY. AND WE HAVE ALL
THESE MEANS OF SOCIAL MEDIA. I THINK I JUST READ RECENTLY ABOUT
A CASE WHERE SOCIAL MEDIA WAS USED AND THEY USED THE PICTURES
ON INSTAGRAM AND FACEBOOK OF YOUNG PEOPLE WITH EXPENSIVE
ITEMS AND THEY LURED THEM IN THAT WAY. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS
TALKING TO CHILDREN THAT I HAVE LEARNED IS THAT IT’S ALSO
THROUGH VIDEO GAMES. THEY’RE USING THESE VIDEO GAMES.
THEY’RE ON-LINE CHATROOMS, AND
THE STRANGERS ARE APPROACHING THEM. AND SO THE WAY THAT
TECHNOLOGY IS MOVING, IT’S EXTREMELY HARD FOR PARENTS, I
THINK, TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH THIS. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE
CONVERSATIONS. I HAVE CHILDREN. I HAVE A SIX YEAR OLD SON, FOUR
YEAR OLD DAUGHTER AND SOON-TO-BE ON FRIDAY, THREE YEAR OLD
DAUGHTER. AND I SEE THAT IN THIS BILL THE CONVERSATIONS,
WHAT’S BEING RECOMMENDED IS THIS CONVERSATION STARTS IN GRADE
SEVEN AND GRADE NINE. I WOULD ARGUE THAT THIS CONVERSATION
NEEDS TO START IMMEDIATELY. I HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH MY THREE
YEAR OLD DAUGHTER ABOUT THAT IS HER BODY. NO ONE IS EVER TO
TOUCH IT. [APPLAUSE]
>>THANK YOU.>>I HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH
MY FOUR YEAR OLD DAUGHTER AND MY SIX YEAR OLD SON. I ALSO HAVE
CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL OF THEM ON HOW THEY ARE TO TREAT OTHER
HUMAN BEINGS. AND WHAT THEY ARE TO DO WHEN OTHERS ARE TREATING
THEIR FRIENDS OR EVEN STRANGERS INAPPROPRIATELY. AND SO WHILE I
APPRECIATE THE KEPT OF THE BILL, I REALLY DO. I THINK THIS
CONVERSATION HAS TO START MUCH EARLIER. AND IT’S NOT ALWAYS
EASY. YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE HAD, MY PARTNER R E E NA, I WAS
UNCOMFORTABLE. WHEN SHE SAID WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION
ABOUT OUR CHILDREN’S BODY WITH THEM AND THE SEX, AND SEXUAL
ORIENTATION, AND THE DIFFERENCES THAT PEOPLE HAVE, WHETHER IT’S
CULTURAL OR RELIGIOUS, SHE WANTED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION
ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. I HAVE TO COMMIT, I WAS UNIMHRVL
UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE I DIDN’T KNOW AT THE
TIME HOW TO EXPLAIN THE HUMAN BODY AND SEX TO A TWO YEAR OLD.
WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. I FEEL THAT WILL MY CHILDREN ARE
BETTER OFF FOR THAT CONVERSATION. AND YOU KNOW,
IT’S NOT – LIKE I SAID, IT’S NOT ALWAYS EASY. I FEEL LIKE
I’M A PROGRESSIVE PERSON WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE TOPICS, WHEN MY
PARTNER RINA SUGGESTED IT TO ME, I WAS TAKEN BACK AND DIDN’T KNOW
HOW TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. PART OF IT IS WHILE THOSE
CHILDREN ARE CHILDREN, I DON’T THINK WE GIVE THEM ENOUGH CREDIT
FOR THE WAY THEY THINK. AND THE ABILITY TO MAKE THEIR OWN
DECISIONS. AND SO WHEN WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR CHILDREN,
THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE NOT BASED IN, YOU KNOW, FAIRY TALES.
WE LIKE TO HAVE FACTUAL CONVERSATIONS. AND SOMETIMES
THEY’RE VERY DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS, ESPECIALLY MY
FOUR YEAR OLD LIKES TO CHALLENGE US ON EVERYTHING AND TALK ABOUT
EVERYTHING. AND SHE’S VERY OPEN AND HONEST AND SO, YES, WE NEED
TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS. YES, WE NEED TO, BUT THEY HAVE
TO START AT HOME. I SPOKE TO THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION ABOUT
THIS. I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS. WHAT DO WE
DO? WHAT DO WE DO IN OUR SCHOOLS? THERE IS PROGRAMS.
THERE HAS BEEN A PROGRAM IN PLACE FOR 15 YEARS WHERE THEY’RE
WORKING WITH CANADIAN CENTRE FOR
CHILD PROTECTION. SORRY, MY BRAIN KIND OF WENT BLANK THERE
FOR A MINUTE. BUT, BUT, WE REALIZE THAT LIFE CHANGES. THAT
FACTS CHANGE. THAT WE NEED TO ADJUST TO THE WAY OUR YOUTH LIVE
NOW AND HOW THESE PREDATORS, THESE DISGUSTING HUMAN BEINGS
ARE TRYING TO ATTRACT OUR CHILDREN. SO WHAT THE MINISTER
DID TELL ME IS THAT THEY’RE VERY, VERY OPEN TO HAVING
CONVERSATIONS. IN FACT, INVITED STAKEHOLDERS TO COME IN AND HAVE
A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS AND TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE DO THIS, WE DO IT RIGHT. AND
I WOULD ALMOST GUESS MOST PEOPLE, NOT MOST, BUT SOME
PEOPLE DIDN’T KNOW THAT PREDATORS ARE USING VIDEO GAMES
TO LURE KIDS IN. I MEAN, I DIDN’T KNOW THAT UNTIL MY SON
WAS PLAYING A VIDEO GAME. HE HAD A HEADPHONE ON. NEXT THING
I WALK IN, HE WAS TALKING TO SOMEONE. IT WAS SOME
30-YEAR-OLD GUY FROM MINNESOTA. MY SON WAS FIVE YEARS OLD. THE
CONVERSATION LUCKILY DIDN’T GO ANYWHERE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT’S
HOW OPEN WE ARE NOW. THAT’S HOW OPEN WE ARE AS A SOCIETY. IT’S
NOT ABOUT WHEN I WAS YOUNGER WHAT WE WERE TOLD WAS STAY
ACONVEY FROM THAT VAN. IT WAS ALWAYS THE VAN. – AWAY. STAY
AWAY FROM CLOWNS AND STRANGERS, POOR CLOWNS. STAY AWAY FROM
STRANGERS BECAUSE YOU DON’T KNOW. BUT NOW WE WERE TAUGHT WE
WERE SAFE IN OUR HOMES. BUT WE’RE NOT. KIDS AREN’T. YOU
KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR CELLPHONE. YOU’RE ALWAYS CONNECTED. SOCIAL
MEDIA. SO I DO HOPE THAT THIS IS THE START. I THINK IT IS. A
START OF A BIGGER DISCUSSION THAT WE DO HAVE CONSULTATION
WITH ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS ACTION WE HAVE CONSULTATIONS WITH
ADDISON HOUSE. THE YWCA. WHERE HE TALK TO THE EXPERTS ON THE
GROUND. NOT JUST IN HRM, BUT IN CAPE BRETON AND ON THE SOUTH
SHORE. AND WE TALK TO OUR TEACHERS AND SEE WHAT THEY’RE
CAPABLE OF TAKING ON. AND WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE
PROTECTED. WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR CHILDREN KNOW THAT THEIR
BODY IS THEIR BODY. NO ONE ELSE’S. AND THAT IF THEY ARE
APPROACHED, THERE ARE SAFE PLACES TO GO. WHETHER IT’S,
LIKE I SAY, AT ANY POINT, COME TO MOMMY, COME TO DADDY. WE’RE
NOT GOING TO GET MAD. WE NEED TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS. IF
YOU’RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH COMING TO MOM MOMMY OR DADDY, GO
TO YOUR AUNT OR UNCLE. A BIG PART
OF THIS IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR CHILDREN FEEL SAFE AND SAFE
TO TALK TO PEOPLE AND APPROACH PEOPLE. WITH THAT, I APPRECIATE
THE CONVERSATION. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE MEMBER FROM
DARTMOUTH SOUTH’S RESPONSE. THANK YOU.
[APPLAUSE] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH SOUTH. [APPLAUSE]
>>THANK YOU, MR. SPEAKER. I THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR THEIR
COMMENTS. MY COLLEAGUES FOR BRINGING THIS BILL IN. WE IN
THE N.D.P. CAUCUS RECOGNIZE THE DANGER POSED BY HUMAN
TRAFFICKING AND SEXUAL EXPLOITATION. I THINK THOSE
CHALLENGES HAVE BEEN ENUMERATED CLEARLY SO FAR IN THIS
CONVERSATION. BUT TO PUT SOME NUMBERS TO IT, WE KNOW THERE
WERE 63 INCIDENTS REPORTED IN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS AND 58 OF
THOSE WERE FROM HALIFAX. SO CERTAINLY AS URBAN MLAs WE ARE
PARTICULARLY AWARE OF THIS ISSUE. WE NEED TO EDUCATE
OURSELVES CERTAINLY WITHOUT QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THESE RISKS
ARE. THE MEMBER FROM HALIFAX WAS TALKING ABOUT VIDEO GAMES.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, I HAVE GIVEN UP NOW CALLING MYSELF YOUNG.
[LAUGHTER]>>WITH SOME SADNESS. AND I’M
NOT. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE UNIVERSE THAT MY CHILDREN ARE
FACING IS NOW OR WILL BE. AND SO I CERTAINLY THINK IT’S
INCUMBENT UPON ALL OF US TO KEEP OUR EAR TO THE GROUND AND TO BE
AS KNOWLEDGEABLE AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THE RISKS THAT ARE FACING
YOUTH, AND PARTICULARLY VULNERABLE YOUTH. AND DIALOGUE
IN THIS ISSUE IS NEEDED. WE WON’T GET ANYWHERE IF WE DON’T
TALK ABOUT IT. AND CERTAINLY IN THAT WAY CURRICULUM IS
IMPORTANT. I WOULD SUGGEST, AS A GOVERNMENT, WHERE WE CAN BE
MOST USEFUL IN THIS CONVERSATION IS BY ADDRESSING THE FACTORS
THAT MAKE PEOPLE VULNERABLE TO HUMAN TRAFFICKING. SO IT’S NOT
TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THIS BILL, BUT AS WE HAVE HEARD, WE
KNOW THAT TRAFFICKERS, SPECIFICALLY TARGET POOR AND
MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES. WE KNOW AS A MEMBER FROM HALIFAX
ATLANTIC MENTIONED, AND I HAVE HAD THOSE SAME CONVERSATIONS
WITH FOLKS AT THE YCWA, THAT TRAFFICKERS TARGET CHILDREN
LIVING IN GROUP HOMES. CHILDREN WHO ARE SOCIALLY ISOLATED,
CHILDREN WHO ARE POOR, AND SO THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT WE
AS LEGISLATORS I WOULD SUGGEST HAVE TO ATTEND TO. TO THINK HOW
WE CAN REDUCE THAT VULNERABILITY INDEX OF PEOPLE. AS WE HAVE
BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SESSION AND FOREVER, THAT INCLUDES
AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT INCLUDES SITUATIONS LIKE CHILD
POVERTY. THAT INCLUDES FOOD INSECURITY. IT’S REALLY
IMPORTANT. THESE AREN’T ABSTRACT ISSUES. THE IDEA OF
NOT BEING ABLE TO BUY FOOD MEANS YOU HAVE TO FIND THE FOOD
SOMEWHERE. YOU HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO PAY FOR THE FOOD. THESE
ARE EXACTLY THE KIND OF TREATIES THAT CAN LEAD CHILDREN DOWN AN
AWFUL PATH AND NOT JUST CHILDREN, OF COURSE. RACISM AND
COLONIALISM ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO THE MARGINALIZATION OF ME.
PARTICULARLY INDIGENOUS POPULATIONS. NOVA SCOTIAENS WHO
EXPERIENCE RACISM FACE SYSTEMIC BARRIERS AND AGAIN THESE ONGOING
ROAD BLOCKS, THESE ONGOING CHALLENGES, CHALLENGES WHICH
INCLUDE OFTEN ACCESS TO CREDIT. ACCESS TO THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR
BASIC NEEDS. PUTS THESE COMMUNITIES AT A HIGHER RISK OF
BEING TRAFFICKED. SO IN THAT WAY, I SUGGEST IT’S STRESS GOES
SYSTEMS AND – STRESSING SYSTEMS LIKE PRACTICES, LIKE STREET
CHECKS. OUR STRUCTURAL DISADVANTAGES, JUSTICE,
EDUCATION, HEALTH AND OTHER AREAS. SOME OF WHICH WE
RECENTLY DISCUSSED THAT ARE ENUMERATED IN THE REPORT. COUNT
US IN. ALL THOSE SUGGESTIONS, ALL OF THOSE GOALS THAT THE
GOVERNMENT HAS COMMITTED THEMSELVES TO, LAUDABLY, I
SUGGEST, ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS ISSUE. WE NEED TO CREATE
THE CONDITIONS FOR PEOPLE TO BE SELF RELIANT. TO BE RESILIENT.
AND TO NOT FIND THEMSELVES IN DESPERATE AND VULNERABLE
SITUATIONS THAT OPEN THEM UP TO THESE KIND OF SITUATIONS.
SIMILARLY, I WOULD SAY THAT PERSISTENT GENDER INEQUALITY
ALSO INCREASES THE VULNERABILITY. WE STILL HAVE
GENDER BASED DISPARITY OF OPPORTUNITY AND ECONOMICAL.
WITH THAT ARE THE STRUCTURAL BARRIERS THAT WOMEN IN THIS
CHAMBER FOR AS LONG AUTOS WE HAVE BEEN IN THIS CHAMBER AND
ELSEWHERE BEFORE THAT, HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. WE’RE PAID LESS
FOR EQUAL WORK. NOT IN HERE, LUCKILY. BUT, WE CONTINUE TO BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR UNPAID WORK, I WOULD SUGGEST. SOME OF US IN
HERE DOES PROPORTIONATELY. I THINK THE LOGICAL CONCLUSION OF
THAT IN MANY CASES IS THAT THERE IS STILL A GENDER BINARY AND
GENDER EXPECTATION OF SUB MISSIVENESS. THIS IS WHY WOMEN
ARE TRAFFICKED MORE THAN MEN. I WOULD SAY PROACTIVELY ADDRESSING
SOME OF THESE ISSUES AGAIN CAN REDUCE VULNERABILITY AND BUILD
RESILIENCE. IN SHORT, HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND SEXUAL EX
EXPLOITATION THRIVE WHERE INDIVIDUALS ARE SOCIALLY AND
ECONOMICALLY MARGINALIZED AND DON’T HAVE ACCESS TO THE
SUPPORTS AND SERVICES THAT THEY NEED. PROGRESSIVE, ADEQUATELY
FUNDED HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES, A WELL ROUNDED PUBLIC
EDUCATION SYSTEM THAT SUPPORTS SOCIAL JUSTICE AND CHALLENGES
COLONIALISM, RACISM, SEXISM, ALL OF THE SYSTEMS OF OPPRESSION ARE
KEY IN ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES. [PLEASE STAND BY] WE’RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT
HUMAN SEXUALITY, BUT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE PERILS
THAT AGAIN ARE NOT JUST PRESENTED BY THE GUY IN THE VAN
WHO IS ALSO THE GUY THAT I WAS TAUGHT TO BE AFRAID OF AS A
CHILD. SO I THINK WE ALL HAVE
TO FIND OUR WAY THROUGH THIS TOGETHER CERTAINLY AND I THINK
PARTICULARLY , YOU KNOW, THOSE
WORKING IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE, WORKING IN HEALTH CARE, WORKING
IN JUSTICE, NEED TO ATTEND TO THESE SITUATIONS AND, AGAIN, I
THINK THIS I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE VICTIMS OF
HUMAN TRAFFICKING, THAT THEIR PROFILES WOULD NOT SUGGEST THAT
THEY HAVE HIGH SORT OF SOCIAL INDICATORS OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL
COHESION AND INCOME AND SO I THINK THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT
WE NEED TO ATTEND TO AND WE NEED TO ATTEND TO IT ON BOTH SIDES OF
THE SCALE. SO WE NEED TO EDUCATE OUR CHILDREN AND, AGAIN,
I THINK BACK TO THIS ACT, YES, SURE, IT SHOULD BE A PART OF THE
CURRICULUM, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT SHOULD JUST BE A
PART OF THE CONVERSATION AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO FIND WAYS OF
UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT CONVERSATION LOOKS LIKE. AS A
PARENT, AS AN MLA, I CONFESS THAT I DON’T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
THAT CONVERSATION LOOKS LIKE. I MEAN, I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE FOR
ME AND FOR MY CAUCUS, ATTENDING TO THE FOLKS ON THE LINE THAT
CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND THESE ISSUES AND CAN GIVE A REAL SENSE
OF THE CAUSALITY AND HOW THEY UNROLL AND SO I THINK THE MEMBER
FOR DARTMOUTH EAST TALKED ABOUT GOING — HEARING FROM PEOPLE
FIRST HANDLE AND I THINK THE MEMBER FROM HALIFAX ATLANTIC AND
MYSELF ALSO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THE YWCA. I THINK THE YWCA IS KIND OF THE PAN
PANULTIMATE EXAMPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THEY HAVE A SAFE
SPACES PROGRAM. AND TO MY PRIOR POINT, THE YWCA’S SAFE SPACES
PROGRAM, THE FIRST THING THEY INITIATED IN THAT PROGRAM WAS
EMERGENCY HOUSING BECAUSE THEY ACKNOWLEDGE ONE OF THE IF NOT
THE PRIMARY CONCERN OF PEOPLE ATTEMPTING TO FLEE HUMAN
TRAFFICKING IS THAT THEY DON’T HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO LIVE. IN
THIS CASE IN PARTICULAR, THE SAFE PLACES PROGRAM WHICH
PROVIDES EMERGENCY HOUSING IS AN EXCELLENT AND IMPORTANT PROGRAM
AND I KNOW THAT THE YWCA IN PARTICULAR HAS LOTS OF PEOPLE
WHO THEY EMPLOY WHO HAVE BEEN IN THESE SITUATIONS THEMSELVES,
BEEN IN COMMUNITIES WHERE THESE SITUATIONS OCCUR, HAVE THE
UNDERSTANDING, THE SKILL, AND THE TRAUMA INFORMED APPROACHES
TO REALLY BE CONNECTING WITH PEOPLE.
AND TO THAT END, ON THE RADIO THIS MORNING WAS AN EDUCATOR
TALKING ABOUT THIS BILL AND ONE OF THE POINTS SHE MADE WHICH I
THOUGHT WAS REALLY INTERESTING WAS, YOU KNOW, I — IT’S
IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT IT AND I NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS WITH MY
STUDENTS, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER TEACHERS WHO PINCH HIT
FOR ME WHO DON’T KNOW HOW TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND WHO DON’T
WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE THEY CAN’T. THEY DON’T KNOW
HOW. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD
SUGGEST THAT IF THIS KIND OF INITIATIVE WOULD GO FORWARD THAT
HAND IN HAND SHOULD BE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT. I
THINK WE’VE TALKED AT OTHER TIMES IN THIS CHAMBER ABOUT THE
NEED FOR MORE TRAUMA-INFORMED KNOWLEDGE AMONG OUR EDUCATORS
AND THAT’S NOT THROUGH ANY FAULT OF OUR EDUCATORS BUT, AGAIN, I
THINK WHAT THE EVER-RAPIDLY EVOLVING AND SOMETIMES SCARY
WAYS WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A NEED FOR
TEACHERS TO IT BE EQUIPPED TO HANDLE ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT
WE NEVER THOUGHT TEACHERS NEEDED TO HANDLE BEFORE.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT KIND OF EDUCATION WOULD BE AN OFFERING
THAT WE COULD MAKE TO OUR EDUCATORS.
BUT IN CLOSING, Mr. SPEAKER, IN TERMS OF THIS BILL, AS I SAID
AT THE OUTSET, I THINK WE DO NEED DIALOGUE AND I THINK THIS
BILL CAPTURES SOME OF THAT. IN PARTICULAR I WOULD SAY THAT ANY
SITUATION OF EXPLOITATION DEPENDS UPON SECRECY AND SOME
DEGREE OF MISINFORMATION IN ORDER TO BE SUCCESSFUL SO THAT
THE DEGREE TO WHICH WE CAN ELIMINATE THAT SECRECY TO WHICH
WE CAN PROVIDE ROBUST, CLEAR, HELPFUL, COMPASSIONATE,
TRAUMA-INFORMED INFORMATION TO YOUNG PEOPLE A HUNDRED PERCENT
WE’RE BEHIND IT. BUT AS I’VE SAID, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO DO
SO MUCH MORE. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER.
[ Some Applause ] The Speaker: I RECOGNIZE THE
MEMBER FOR COLE HARBOUR EASTERN PASSAGE. // 800- 565-7421. IS THERE
ANYBODY HERE WHO DOESN’T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER STANDS FOR?
BESIDES THE YOUNG ONES BACK HERE WHO MIGHT NOT. WE ALL KNOW
THAT’S THE TOURISM NUMBER. SO I WOULD LIKE US TO LEARN A NEW
NUMBER. 844-333- 2211. I’M
GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN. 844- 844-333-2211. THAT IS THE NEW
HUMAN TRAFFICKING HOTLINE. I MENTION THAT TO DRAW EVERYONE’S
ATTENTION TO HOW PERVASIVE THE ISSUE IS THAT WE’RE TALKING
ABOUT TODAY FOR BILL NUMBER 173 THAT THE MEMBER FROM PICTOU WEST
INTRODUCED TO AMEND THE EDUCATION ACT TO DEAL WITH HUMAN
TRAFFICKING. WE HAVE SORT OF MISSED THE POINT
IN THIS CONVERSATION SO FAR, BUT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT BIG BUSINESS
IN THE PROVINCE OF NOVA SCOTIA. IT’S AN UNDERGROUND BUSINESS,
BUT IT’S BIG BUSINESS. THE ESTIMATES ARE THAT ONE PIMP OR
OWNER CAN MAKE UP TO $300,000 A YEAR FROM ONE GIRL OR BOY. WE
ARE TALKING NOT ABOUT THE ILLEGAL SALE OF CIGARETTES AND
EVERY TIME I SEE AN AD ON TV ABOUT HOW BAD THE ILLEGAL SALE
OF CIGARETTES IS, I’M WONDERING HOW COME I’VE NEVER SEEN AN AD
ON THE ILLEGAL SALE OF LITTLE GIRLS IN THIS PROVINCE. WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT DEVIANT SEXUAL BEHAVIOR. PERPETRATED ON OUR
CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN BY PEOPLE THEY KNOW.
I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION TO WHICH
THIS BILL WAS AIMED AT HADN’T COMMENTED. I HAVE TO SAY
FRANKLY WE’RE VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT NEITHER THE GOVERNMENT OR
THE MEMBER FROM DARTMOUTH SOUTH INDICATED SUPPORT FOR THIS BILL.
// [ Inaudible ]. [ Laughter ]
// WELL, I’M GOING TO STAND CORRECTED IT. SOUNDS LIKE WE’RE
ALL IN SUPPORT OF THE BILL AND THEREFORE IT SHOULD MOVE FORWARD
AND POSSIBLY PASS THIS SESSION OF THE LEGISLATURE. THAT WOULD
BE GREAT. DIDN’T ACTUALLY HEAR THOSE WORDS, SO IF THAT’S THE
CASE, I WITHDRAW THAT CONCERN. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE’VE
DONE IS WE’VE TAKEN A — TURNED A BLIND EYE AS SOCIETY AND
THINGS THAT WOULDN’T BE CONSIDERED CONCEIVABLE THREE
DECADES AGO IS NOW COMPLETELY NORMAL. I FORGET THE YEAR IT
WAS WHEN YOU WERE ALLOWED TO SHOW A BATHROOM IN A SITCOM. IT
WASN’T THAT LONG AGO. BUT I KNOW WHEN I TOOK MY SON TO
MEMORIAL UNIVERSITY, HIS WELCOME KIT WAS TWO CONDOMS AND SOME
LUBRICANTS. I DIDN’T EVEN BOTHER SAYING ANYTHING EXCEPT
YOU’RE NOT GOING TO NEED THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A GIRLFRIEND.
BUT IT WAS A CO-ED DORM AND AS WE WERE GOING OUT TO TOUR THE
UNIVERSITY, A GIRL WALKED BY IN A BATH TOWEL ON HER WAY TO THE
SHOWER. YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT 30 YEARS AGO? SO ARE WE REALLY
SURPRISED THAT THERE IS THIS DEMAND FOR THE PURCHASE OF
LITTLE GIRLS FOR SEX, OR LITTLE BOYS FOR SEX. ARE WE REALLY
SURPRISED? THE MEMBER FROM INVERNESS HAS BROUGHT UP TO THIS
LEGISLATURE BEFORE THAT PORNOGRAPHY IS AVAILABLE TO
ANYONE WHO HAS INTERNET ACCESS, CELL PHONES. I KNOW WHEN WE
FIRST GOT THE INTERNET, WE SET IT UP IN THE LIVING ROOM SO I
COULD SUPERVISE WHAT MY KIDS WERE LOOKING AT. AND MY SON WAS
DOING A PROJECT ON DYNAMITE, SO HE TYPED IN THE SEARCH ENGINE
DYNAMITE. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT POPPED UP? ADVERTISEMENTS FOR
PORNOGRAPHY. WE HAVE TURNED A BLIND EYE TO ALL OF THE THINGS
CONTRIBUTED TO TRAFFICKING. AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM
THE OTHER MEMBERS. WE HAVE SEEN THE CONSULTATIONS. WE SAW AND
CELEBRATED TODAY THIS GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCING THE RELEASE OF THE
REPORT BY THE PROVINCIAL SEXUAL VIOLENCE PREVENTION COMMITTEE.
AMAZING WORK. LOTS OF PEOPLE CONSULTED.
WE HAVE THE REPORT, WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING. WE WANT TO
TAKE ACTION. WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT’S
CURRENTLY GOING ON BECAUSE NOVA SCOTIA IS THE LEADER IN WHERE
PEOPLE GO TO FIND GIRLS AND BOYS TO TRAFFIC. WE ARE THE LEADER.
IT’S NOT AN INDUSTRY WE WANT TO BE THE LEADER. IN WE’RE NOT
WINNING WHEN WE COME TO THIS ISSUE.
SO WHAT DID THIS GOVERNMENT’S OWN COMMITTEE COME UP WITH IN
TERMS OF THREE RECOMMENDATIONS? THE TEN RECOMMENDATIONS WANTED
TO REFLECT PRIMARY PREVENTION INITIATIVES. PREVENTION. HOW
DO YOU PREVENT THIS? WELL, YOU HAVE TO EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
IT’S IN EXISTENCE AND THE CHILDREN IN OUR SCHOOLS, SOME OF
THEM ARE GOING TO GROW UP TO BE HUMAN TRAFFICKERS. PERHAPS NOT
BY CHOICE BUT SOMEBODY AT SOME POINT MAKES THE DECISION THAT
THIS IS HOW I’M GOING TO EARN MY LIVING.
THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS PRODUCED BY THE PROVINCIAL SEXUAL
VIOLENCE PREVENTION COMMITTEE IS TARGETING UNIVERSITY STUDENTS.
WELL, BY THE TIME YOU REACH UNIVERSITY, TWO-THIRDS OF ALL
WOMEN HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY MOLESTED. OR RAPED. SO WE
DON’T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL UNIVERSITY. AND WE ALSO APPLAUD
THE MEMBER WHO TALKED ABOUT TALKING TO YOUR CHILDREN. I
HAVE FOUR BOYS IT. WAS MY RESPONSIBILITY AND THOSE
CHILDREN’S PARENTS TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.
BUT NOT EVERYBODY HAS PARENTS WHO ARE WILLING TO DO. THAT NOT
EVERYBODY COMES FROM A HOME WHERE THEY’RE EVEN AWARE THIS IS
THE SITUATION THAT EXISTS. SOME OF THESE KIDS ARE COMING COMING
FROM THE HOME WHERE IT’S THE PARENT
WHO IS ACTUALLY THE ONE SELLING THEIR CHILDREN FOR SEX.
WE ALSO KNOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT BY THE HALIFAX
REGIONAL POLICE, IF YOU’RE NOT AWARE OF THIS REPORT, IT IS AN
AMAZING REPORT ON CANADIAN HUMAN TRAFFICKING. IT TELLS YOU
EXACTLY WHAT TO DO, HOW TO RECOGNIZE IT, WHO IS TRAFFICKED,
HOW DO THEY GROOM YOU. IT TALKS ABOUT THE MYTHS AROUND IT. ONE
OF THESE IS THAT IS A MYTH THAT’S GOING ON IN ANOTHER
COUNTRY. IT’S NOT. IT’S GOING PHENOMENON MY COMMUNITY AND IN
YOURS…. THEY’RE GOING TO OUR JUNIOR HIGHS, THEY’RE GROOMING
THESE CHILDREN. THERE’S ANOTHER MYTH THAT IT’S HAPPENING OUT ON
THE STREETS. IT’S NOT. IT’S HAPPENING AT PARS. IT’S
HAPPENING IN HOMES, IT’S HAPPENING IN HOTEL ROOMS. — IN
BARS. IT’S HAPPENING JUST DOWN THE STREET.
THERE’S ANOTHER MYTH PUT OUT BY THE HALIFAX REGIONAL POLICE THAT
SAYS THE VICTIM CAN JUST LEAVE, THIS IS THEIR CHOICE. NO, IT’S
NOT THEIR CHOICE. NO ONE CHILD GROWS UP AND SAYS I’M GOING TO
BE A PROSTITUTE, THAT’S A GOOD IDEA! AND NOBODY STARTS OUT
THINKING THIS IS A GOOD BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY. BUT AT SOME POINT,
THEY MAKE THE DECISION AND AT SOME POINT, THESE CHILDREN ARE
GROOMED TO ENTER INTO THE TRADE. THEY’RE NOT GETTING GROOMED IN
UNIVERSITY. BY THEN, IT’S TOO LATE. ACCORDING TO A NATIONAL
REVIEW CALLED ASSESSMENT OF SEX TRAFFICKING PUT OUT BY THE
GLOBAL JUSTICE ASSOCIATES IN MAY 2013, A TASK FORCE OF WOMEN
AND GIRLS IN CANADA, THE AVERAGE AGE IS 13. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY
THIS LEGISLATION WAS DESIGNED TO HIT JUNIOR HIGH.
DO WE WANT OUR TEACHERS HAVING TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION? NO.
BUT IF WE CAN’T BE SURE THE PARENTS ARE GOING TO DO IT AND
IF WE CAN’T BE SURE THAT THE JUSTICE SYSTEM IS GOING TO HAVE
PEOPLE COME FORWARD TO REPORT IT, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO TAKE
ACTION AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO? THE DOCUMENT PUT OUT BY THE
HALIFAX REGIONAL POLICE, YOU COULD START WITH THIS AS A
TEMPLATE FOR WHAT THE SCHOOLS COULD INTRODUCE. IT’S EXTREMELY
WELL WRITTEN. ONE OF THE OTHER PROBLEMS WE
HAVE IS THAT IF SOMEBODY KNOWS THAT IT’S HAPPENING, THERE’S NO
CONFIDENCE IN REPORTING IT BECAUSE IN FAR TOO MANY CASES,
IT’S SOMEONE YOU KNOW. SO WE’RE NOT HAVING TOTAL STRANGERS GRAB
YOU OFF THE STREET AND TAKE YOU TO TORONTO. THIS IS A BOYFRIEND
WHO DATED YOU, WHO BOUGHT YOU THINGS, WHO FED YOU, WHO CLOD
YOU, WHO HOUSED YOU. — WHO
CLOTHED YOU, WHO HOUSED YOU. NOT EVERYBODY WHO IS TRAFFICKED
COMES FROM A VULNERABLE POPULATION. IT COULD BE A
FRIEND OF A FRIEND YOU MET AT A PARTY.
SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT CHILDREN UNDERSTAND WHAT
GROOMING LOOKS LIKE AND NOT JUST FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
PEDOPHILIA IN GENERAL HAS A WHOLE GROOMING PROCESS. THIS
ISN’T SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS OVERNIGHT. THIS IS A PERVASIVE
INSIDIOUS SEXUAL DEVIANCE. IT’S
A FORM OF SLAVERY AS BARACK OBAMA AND OTHERS HAVE SAID.
SO ONE OF THE OTHER COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE BY THE MEMBER FROM
DARTMOUTH SOUTH IS THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE THINGS
THAT PREDISPOSE SOMEBODY TO BEING BROOMED AND VICTIMIZED AND
WHY THEY WOULDN’T WALK OUT AFTER SOMEBODY HAD BURNED OUT
CIGARETTES IN THEIR SKIN OR SET THEIR HAIR ON FIRE OR BROKEN
THEIR TOES BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T BRING HOME ENOUGH MONEY. BUT
ADDRESSING ALL OF THOSE ISSUES IS GOING TO TAKE YEARS AND
DECADES. WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION NOW, NOT FIVE OR TEN OR 20 YEARS
FROM NOW, BECAUSE THE TRADE IS GROWING IN THIS PROVINCE AND
WE’RE LEADING IN IT AND IT IS BIG BUSINESS AND ONE OF THE
STATISTICS WHICH IS REALLY SAD BECAUSE AS A FOOTBALL WATCHER,
ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE REPORT SAID THAT DURING A NATIONAL
FOOTBALL GAME, THE NUMBER OF ON-LINE ADS FOR THE SALE OF SEX
GOES FROM 30 ADS PER DAY TO 250 ADS PER DAY. SO WE ARE TURNING
A BLIND TIE THE FACT THAT A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MAKING A
WHOLE LOT OF MONEY BY EXPLOITING AND SELLING THE BODIES OF OUR
LITTLE GIRLS AND LITTLE BOYS. YES, THEY’RE CERTAIN THERE ARE
CERTAINLY ADULTS WHO ARE TRAFFICKED BUT MANY OF
THEM WERE GROOMED AND TARGETED AT A VERY YOUNG ABLE AND WE NEED
— AT A VERY YOUNG AGE AND WE NEED TO SEND A MESSAGE TO
EVERY CHILD. WE CAN’T JUST COUNT ON SOME PARENTS DOING SOME
OF THE RIGHT THINGS. THE PEOPLE IN THIS LEGISLATURE WOULD ADMIT
THEY’RE NOT SURE OF ALL THE WAYS TO DEAL WITH THIS. WELL, IF
WE’RE NOT SURE, THEN WHO IS SURE? SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A
STANDARD SET OF GUIDELINES AND A STANDARD SET OF INSTRUCTIONS
THAT PARENTS CAN COUNT ON. WE’VE GOT A GREAT ANTISMOKING
STRATEGY. WE HAVE MADD TO TALK ABOUT DRINKING AND DRIVING. WHY
ISN’T THE SALE OF THE HUMAN FLESH AS IMPORTANT IF NOT MORE
IMPORTANT? WE HAVE TO TEACH EVERY BOY AND
EVERY GIRL BECAUSE HUMAN TRAFFICKERS ARE WOMEN AS WELL.
WE HAVE TO TEACH EVERY ONE OF THEM AT THE AGE THAT THEY’RE
MOST VULNERABLE THAT BODIES ARE NOT A COMMODITY TO BE BOUGHT AND
SOLD. AND HOPEFULLY IF WE CAN GET THE REPORTING AND CONVICTION
RATE UP IN THIS PROVINCE, THAT THAT WILL GO A LONG WAY TO DOING
THAT. I DON’T KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME WAS THAT ANY OF US SAW
THAT SOMEBODY WHO SOLICITED SEX FROM A MINOR WAS PROSECUTED AND
CONVICTED AND SENT TO JAIL FOR ANY REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME.
I HAVEN’T SEEN THAT. SO, Mr. SPEAKER, I’LL END THIS
BY SAYING WE’VE GOT REPORTS. WE’VE GOT THE GOVERNMENT’S OWN
REPORT THAT WE CELEBRATED TODAY CALLING US TO REFLECT ON PRIMARY
PREVENTION INITIATIVES WHICH IS WHAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
WE TALKED ABOUT REDUCING VICTIM BLAMING WHICH IS WHAT WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT TODAY. IT TALKS ABOUT CHANGING THE CULTURE AND
WHEN SEXUAL VIOLENCE EXISTS TO PREVENT ITS OCCURRENCE AT THE
UNIVERSITY CAMPUS. BUT, Mr. SPEAKER, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
BEING TARGETED AND ABUSED AND BURNED AND MURDERED AND
KIDNAPPED AND ENTRAPPED AND MANIPULATEED ARE TONIGHT
14-YEAR-OLDS WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT — ARE 10 TO 14-YEAR-OLDS
WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS BILL IS TARGETED TO YOU — SHEIKS
ORDER, ORDER. I RECOGNIZE THE HOUSE LEADER FOR THE OFFICIAL
OPPOSITION. // THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER.
I’D LIKE TO CALL BILL NUMBER 167, AN ACT TO AMEND THE TOBACCO
ACCESS ACT. The Speaker: BILL 167, AN ACT
TO AMEND THE TOBACCO ACCESS ACT. RECOGNIZE THE MEMBER FROM
DARTMOUTH EAST. // THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER.
Mr. SPEAKER, I RISE TO SPEAK ON BILL 167. Mr. SPEAKER,
WE’RE NOW GOING TO TALK — DISCUSSION ANOTHER TOPIC THAT IS
HAVING A HUGE IMPACT ON THE HEALTH OF OUR STUDENTS IN NOVA
SCOTIA AND IN SOME RESPECTS ON THE OPERATIONS OF OUR SCHOOLS.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH I FIND OUT WHAT’S GOING ON
IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR PROVINCE, IT’S ACTUALLY AT THE
SOCCER FIELD WHERE, YOU KNOW, MY DAUGHTER PLAYS SOCCER AND YOU
GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO A LOT OF OTHER PARENTS FROM MANY
DIFFERENT PROFESSIONS AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS’
TEAMMATES, HER FARE IS A PRINCIPAL, A HIGH SCHOOL
PRINCIPLE A PAL AND HE’S TOLD ME — A HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPAL,
AND HE’S TOLD ME, Mr. SPEAKER, THAT VAPING IS A MAJOR PROBLEM
IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. TOO MANY OF OUR STUDENTS, TOO MANY OF OUR
YOUTH ARE VAPING. AND THIS HAS PROLIFERATED, IT HAS GROWN BY
LEAPS AND BOUNDS FOR A GREAT MANY YEARS. I THINK BACK EIGHT
OR NINE YEARS AGO WHEN I FIRST STARTED TO NOTICE VAPING AS A
PROBLEM WITHIN OUR HALLWAYS AND OUTSIDE OF OUR SCHOOLS. IT
SEEMS NOW IT HAS BECOME A CHRONIC ISSUE. A CHRONIC ISSUE
IN TERMS OF THE HEALTH OF OUR STUDENTS, IN TERMS OF THE
OPERATIONS OF OUR SCHOOLS. A FORMER COLLEAGUE OF MINE
INDICATED, Mr. SPEAKER, THAT IF YOU GO OUT, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT
SCHOOLS OFTEN SOMETIMES REFER TO AS THE SMOKING PIT, IF YOU HAVE
20 STUDENTS OUT THERE, 16 OR 17 OF THEM ARE VAPING, MAYBE TWO OR
THREE ARE WITH CIGARETTES. SO MAKE NO MISTAKE, AS MOST IN
THIS CHAMBER ARE AWARE, IT IS A GROWING PROBLEM, A GROWING
EPIDEMIC. PROBABLY WE’RE ALL AWARE OF THE — OBVIOUSLY WE’RE
ALL AWARE OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO THE
FOREFRONT IN THE UNITED STATES AS IT RELATES TO THE SITUATIONS
WITH VAPING AND WE KNOW, Mr. SPEAKER, THAT NOVA SCOTIA IS
RANKED THE HIGHEST FOR YOUTH VAPING. NOW, LET’S THINK ABOUT
THAT. MANY OF RUSS FULLY AWARE THE — MANY OF US ARE FULLY
AWARE THE NATURE OF THE TEEN YEARS. IT IS NORMAL AND IT IS
NATURAL TO PUSH BOUNDARIES, TO TEST YOUR LIMITATIONS. AND MANY
OF THOSE BEHAVIORS IN SOME RESPECTS THAT ARE NORMAL AND
NATURAL TO THE TEENAGED YEARS ARE MANIFESTING ITSELF IN THIS
DANGEROUS BEHAVIOR. AND LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, Mr. SPEAKER,
WHEN WE KNOW OUR YOUTH OR OUR KIDS ARE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS
COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO THEIR HEALTH AND WELL BEING AND
DEVELOPMENT, AS ADULTS, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PUT UP A
RESISTANCE. AND I REMEMBER YEARS AGO MENTORING A STUDENT
TEACHER, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT STUDENT TEACHER WAS TEACHING, HE
DIDN’T PUT UP ANY RESISTANCE TO THE STUDENTS. AND I REMEMBER
TELLING THAT STUDENT TEACHER, CHALLENGE IS NATURE’S WAY OF
STRENGTHENING A PERSON AND WHAT THIS BILL IS ATTEMPTING TO DO,
Mr. SPEAKER, AS IT RELATES TO VAPING IS TO PUT UP A
RESISTANCE. THERE HAS TO BE A RESISTANCE. BECAUSE WE KNOW
THAT THERE ARE ENORMOUS HEALTH IMPLICATES THAT COME FROM
VAPING. Mr. SPEAKER, WE KNOW THAT 49% OF NOVA SCOTIA STUDENTS
IN GRADE 10 TO 12 REPORTED USING AN eCIGARETTE AT LEAST ONCE.
WE KNOW IN NOVA SCOTIA 20.9% OF YOUTH IN GRADE 7 TO 12 HAVE
USED eCIGARETTES IN THE PAST 30 DAYS IN COMPARISON TO THE
CANADIAN AVERAGE OF 10%. THAT DATA ALONE TELLS US THAT WE NEED
TO TAKE A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH IN RESISTING AND PUSHING BACK
THE TRENDS THAT WE’RE SEEING IN VAPING.
NOW, MAKE NO MISTAKE, Mr. SPEAKER, I BELIEVE A GROWN
PERSON CAN MAKE DECISIONS THEMSELVES. BUT I ALSO BELIEVE,
Mr. SPEAKER, THAT IN SCHOOL, THE RESISTANCE THAT WE PUT UP TO
CERTAIN BEHAVIORS HAS TO BE MODIFIED. AND HERE’S AN EXAMPLE
ONCE AGAIN WHERE WE CAN MODIFY INFORMATION THAT’S BEING
DISPERSED AND DISSEMINATED TO OUR STUDENTS.
Mr. SPEAKER, WE KNOW THAT THE DATA SUGGESTS THAT A HIGH
PERCENTAGE OF THOSE YOUTH WHO VAPE DID NOT PREVIOUSLY SMOKE.
SO WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A MAJOR PROBLEM. WE KNOW IT’S NOT BEING
USED AMONG OUR YOUTH ANYHOW AS A CESSATION TOOL. AND AS A
REFORMED SMOKER, I KNOW THE CHALLENGES THAT GO WITH TRYING
TO QUIT. I MUST HAVE QUIT 50 TIMES BEFORE I WAS FIND FINALLY ABLE
TO TACKLE THE ADDICTION TO NICOTINE. AND I SMOKED FOR
ALMOST 15 YEARS, FROM THE AGE OF 14 UNTIL THE AGE OF 29. AND I’M
GLAD I QUIT. IT WAS A CHALLENGE. AND CERTAINLY, Mr.
SPEAKER, I RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT CESSATION TOOLS
THAT ARE USED. HOWEVER, LET’S BE CLEAR. FOR OUR YOUTH, THIS
IS NOT A CESSATION TOOL. THIS IS OFTEN, WE NOW KNOW, BECOMING
A MAJOR PROBLEM IN TERMS OF THE HEALTH AND DEVELOPMENT OF OUR
YOUNG NOVA SCOTIANS. SO, Mr. SPEAKER, IT ONLY MAKES
SENSE TO TREAT VAPING THE SAME WAY WE TREAT CIGARETTES. LET ME
SAY THAT AGAIN. IT ONLY MAKES SENSE THAT WE TREAT VAPING THE
SAME WAY WE TREAT CIGARETTES. FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THIS HOUSE
THAT ARE AWARE OF THE HISTORY OF HEALTH ORGANIZATIONS THROUGHOUT
THE WESTERN WORLD, IN THE 1950s AND 1960s, CLEARLY
STATING THE HEALTH DANGERS OF SMOKING, WE LOOK BACK AND WONDER
WHAT WAS YOUR GRANDPARENTS’ GENERATION THINKING AT THE TIME?
YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A TIME IN THE 1950s AND 1960s WHEN MENTHOL
CIGARETTES WERE BEING ADVERTISED AS ALLEVIATING THE SYMPTOMS OF
THE COMMON COLD. WE LOOK BACK AND SAY HOW SILLY THAT WAS TO
BELIEVE THAT. AND I BELIEVE, Mr. SPEAKER,
THAT YEARS FROM NOW, WE’LL LOOK BACK AND WE’LL HAVE THOSE SAME
ATTITUDES. WHAT WERE WE THINKING? SO THE BILL THAT’S
BEFORE THE HOUSE IS COMPREHENSIVE. IT’S HOLISTIC.
IT TAKES AN APPROACH THAT PUTS UP AS MUCH RESISTANCE AS
POSSIBLE TO SPECIFICALLY DETER, ESPECIALLY OUR YOUNG NOVA
SCOTIANS FROM TAKING UP A HABIT THAT, Mr. SPEAKER, WILL HAVE
ENORMOUS HEALTH CONSEQUENCES. WE LIVE IN A PROVINCE WHERE THE
URGENCY TO PROMOTE A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE IS CRITICAL. WE KNOW
THAT. WE SEE THE AMOUNT OF EXPENDITURES IN OUR HEALTH CARE
SYSTEM. WE’VE KNOWN FOR DECADES, Mr. SPEAKER, GOING
BACK TO THE KIRBY REPORT IN THE 1970s, HOW CRITICAL PREVENTIVE
HEALTH CARE IS. HERE’S AN EXAMPLE OF PREVENTIVE HEALTH
CARE. OF GETTING INFORMATION OUT, ESPECIALLY TO OUR YOUNG
NOVA SCOTIANS OF THE DANGERS OF THIS H AND OF COURSE, OF COURSE,
THE NATURE OF THE TEEN YEARS, AS I SAID, WE KNOW THAT THEY’RE
GOING TO TEST BOUNDARIES. BUT WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO
MAXIMIZE I BELIEVE THE RESISTANCE AND REMINDING OUR
YOUNG NOVA SCOTIANS AND OUR STUDENTS OF THE DANGERS OF
VAPING. Mr. SPEAKER, ACCORDING TO THE
LUNG ASSOCIATION, WE KNOW CHILDREN AND YOUTH ARE HIGHLY
SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF NICOTINE. WE KNOW
THAT NICOTINE HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BRAIN,
WHICH NEURO SCIENCE NOW TELLS US, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR
MALES, THE FRONTAL LOBE IS NOT FULLY DEVELOPED UNTIL THE AGE OF
25. WE KNOW THAT THE NICOTINE CAN AFFECT MEMORY, LEARNING AND
ATTENTION. AND PERMANENTLY LOWER IMPULSE CONTROL. WE LIVE
IN A MORE HEALTH-CONSCIOUS SOCIETY. WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY I
THINK NOW THAT IS TRYING TO PROMOTE THOSE HEALTHY LIFESTYLES
AND THIS IS A BILL, Mr. SPEAKER, I THINK THAT IS IN LINE
WITH THOSE VALUES. WE NEED, Mr. SPEAKER, TO PROMOTE THAT
PREVENTIVE HEALTH CARE. IT’S CRITICAL. IN MANY RESPECTS,
Mr. SPEAKER, WITHIN OUR SCHOOLS, THIS IS IN LINE WITH
THAT PREVENTIVE HEALTH CARE AND PROMOTING HEALTHIER OUTCOMES.
WE KNOW, Mr. SPEAKER, HEALTH GROUPS FROM THE LUNG ASSOCIATION
TO THE CANADIAN CANCER SOCIETY HAVE ISSUED WARNINGS RESPECTING
THE USE OF VAPING. I BELIEVE WE NEED TO LISTEN TO THOSE
WARNINGS. YOU KNOW, Mr. SPEAKER, I DON’T SHARE THIS VERY
OFTEN, BUT WHEN I WAS 17, I LOST MY MOM. MY MOM DIED OF CANCER
BECAUSE OF SMOKING. I’VE SEEN AND MANY IN THIS HOUSE HAVE HAD
SITUATIONS LIKE THAT IN THEIR FAMILIES WHERE THEY’VE LOST A
LOVED ONE BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT SMOKING HAS AS A CARCINOGEN.
IT’S ANOTHER EXAMPLE, Mr. SPEAKER, THIS BILL, WHERE
GOVERNMENT CAN SHOW LEADERSHIP AND TAKE A COMPREHENSIVE
APPROACH, MAXIMIZING THE RESISTANCE AND CHALLENGING OUR
YOUNG PEOPLE NOT TO VAPE. WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT AS
ADULTS, AS LEGISLATORS, THAT WHEN WE KNOW BEHAVIORS ARE
OCCURRING WITHIN OUR SOCIETY, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY AND I KNOW
ALL OF US KNOW THAT DEEP DOWN TO OUR CORE TO CHALLENGE.
ESPECIALLY IF WE KNOW THERE’S A BETTER WAY.
SO, Mr. SPEAKER, AGAIN, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD ADHERE TO THE
ADVICE OF THE LUNG ASSOCIATION AND THE CANADIAN CANCER SOCIETY.
IT’S MY UNDERSTANDING, Mr. SPEAKER, THAT HAD THE TOPIC OF
VAPING WILL BE COMING UP AT THE HEALTH COMMITTEE. THAT’S GOOD
NEWS. IT’S GOOD TO SEE A TOPIC AT THE COMMITTEE THAT IS SO
RELEVANT, NOT ONLY TO THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF OUR YOUNG NOVA
SCOTIANS BUT TO ALL NOVA SCOTIANS AND I CERTAINLY HOPE
THE MENS OF THAT COMMITTEE HAVE A MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE AND ARE
ABLE TO GET SOME INFORMATION FROM THE CANADIAN CANCER SOCIETY
AND OTHER WITNESSES THAT INTEREST THERE.
SO, Mr. SPEAKER, I DON’T BELIEVE VAPING IS HARMLESS.
I’VE SEEN AS A FORMER TEACHER
THE GROWTH OF THIS BEHAVIOR IN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. I’VE SEEN
STUDENTS TEST THE BOUNDARIES WITH VAPING. WE DO RECOGNIZE,
AS I SAID, Mr. SPEAKER, THE TEEN YEARS, THEY ARE GOING TO
TEST BOUNDARIES, BUT WE NEED TO PUT UP AS MUCH RESISTANCE AS
POSSIBLE. AND WE KNOW, Mr. SPEAKER, THAT
WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO CHALLENGE OUR YOUTH, TO PROMOTE
THAT HEALTHY LIFESTYLE. IN MANY RESPECTS, WE KNOW A HEALTHY BODY
LEADS TO A HEALTHY MIND, A HEALTHY MIND LEADS TO A HEALTHY
BODY. AND THAT’S PART OF THE KEY MANDATE I THINK, Mr.
SPEAKER, OF ANY EDUCATION SYSTEM IS TO PROMOTE THOSE KEY
OUTCOMES. SO, Mr. SPEAKER, AGAIN, TOO
MANY OF OUR YOUTH ARE VAPING. IT’S HARMFUL. THIS BILL TAKES A
COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH. IT TAKES AN APPROACH THAT IS
ATTEMPTING TO BAN THE FLAVORS, TO HAVE AN EDUCATION COMPONENT
THAT WILL GET INFORMATION OUT, ESPECIALLY TO OUR YOUNG NOVA
SCOTIANS, ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THIS. MY OLDEST DAUGHTER IN
GRADE 6, SHE’S TOLD ME THEY’VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS AND
THE DANGERS OF THIS IN CLASS WHICH I COMMEND HER TEACHER AND
OTHER TEACHERS IN THIS PROVINCE THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT THE
DANGERS OF VAPING. Mr. SPEAKER, THIS IS I BELIEVE A
CHRONIC ISSUE AMONG OUR YOUTH. THE STORIES THAT I’VE BEEN TOLD
ANECDOTALLY BY FORMER STUDENTS HAVE LED ME TO BELIEVE THAT IT
IS NECESSARY TO COME FORWARD WITH A PIECE OF LEGISLATION SUCH
AS THIS. SO ONCE AGAIN, Mr. SPEAKER,
IT’S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR GOVERNMENT TO SHOW LEADERSHIP,
IT’S AN OPPORTUNITY, Mr. SPEAKER, FOR GOVERNMENT TO
REALLY GET A HANDLE ON THIS PROBLEM THAT EXISTS WITHIN NOVA
SCOTIA THAT IS CLEARLY MANIFESTING ITSELF IN OUR PUBLIC
SCHOOL SYSTEMS. MANY IN THIS CHAMBER ARE PARENTS AND I KNOW
WE ALL WANT OUR KIDS TO BE SUBJECTED TO MESSAGES THAT
PROMOTE A HEALTHY LIFESTYLE. WE ALL ARE UNITED BY OUR DESIRE TO
HAVE OUR YOUNG NOVA SCOTIANS, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEHAVIORS THAT
ARE — THAT WILL LEAD TO A HEALTHY, HAPPY LIFESTYLE.
SO, Mr. SPEAKER, VAPING IS HARMFUL. TOO MANY OF YOUR YOUTH
VAPE. I ASK HUMBLY THAT THIS GOVERNMENT CONSIDER THIS BILL
BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT BE COULD HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT, NOT ONLY
FOR YOUNG NOVA SCOTIANS BUT ALL NOVA SCOTIANS. THANK YOU, Mr.
SPEAKER. The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR CLAYTON PARK WEST. // THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. IT
IS A PLEASURE TO SPEAK TO BILL 167, THE AMENDMENT TO THE
TOBACCO ACCESS ACT. AS WITH THE MEMBER FROM THE DARTMOUTH EAST
WHO JUST SPOKE TO THIS BILL, I WANT TO SAY THAT OUR GOVERNMENT
IS DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEALTH RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH
VAPING. AND THE FACT THAT VAPING IS ON THE RISE IN NOVA
SCOTIA, PARTICULARLY AMONG OUR YOUTH IS ESPECIALLY TROUBLING.
Mr. SPEAKER, WHEN I WAS GROWING UP IN IRAQ, SMOKING WAS
CONSIDERED A SOCIAL ACTIVITY THAT MY PARENTS WOULD ENGAGE IN
ON OCCASIONS WHEN THEY ENTERTAINED GUESTS….. IT WAS
NORMAL TOLL SEE OUR MARBLE CIGARETTE BOX ON THE LIVING ROOM
TABLE BESIDE OUR CANDY AND CHOCOLATE. THAT WAS THE NORM
WHEN I GREW UP IT. WAS NOT UNTIL THE TRAGIC DEATH OF MY
UNCLE FROM LUNG CANS WHIR WAS JUST STARTING UNIVERSITY IN
ENGLAND AND MY UNCLE WAS A HEAVY SMOKER, I NOTICED THE PAINFUL
DEATH AND THE DECLINE OF HIS HEALTH THAT REALLY STRUCK ME AND
I STARTED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT SMOKING IS. BUT IT WAS STILL
NOT AS COMMONLY RELATED THAT SMOKING WAS THE ONLY CAUSE OF
LUNG CANCER AT THAT TIME. I’M GRATEFUL THAT MY OTHER
MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY, NONE OF THEM ARE SMOKERS AND MY IN LAWS
ARE SO MY KIDS GREW UP WITHOUT HAVING SECOND-HAND SMOKE IN OUR
HOUSEHOLD. TOBACCO CAUSES ABOUT 30% OF CANCER DEATHS AND
APPROXIMATELY 85% OF LUNG CANCER DEATHS. THAT’S A VERY HIGH
NUMBER, Mr. SPEAKER. I JUST WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE
HISTORY ON TOBACCO. Mr. SPEAKER, TOBACCO WAS FIRST
DISCOVERED IN THE AMERICAS AND IT WAS INTRODUCED TO EUROPE IN
THE 16th CENTURY. SO WE STARTED IT HERE, Mr. SPEAKER.
BUT IT WAS NOT UNTIL THE 1950s THAT BRITISH RESEARCHERS
DEMONSTRATED A CLEAR RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SMOKING AND
CANCER. AND, Mr. SPEAKER, NOW I WANT TO COMPARE THE HISTORY
OF eCIGARETTES WHICH IS A MUCH SHORTER HISTORY. IN 2003, AN
AMERICAN INVENTOR PATENTED A NONTOBACCO CIGARETTE THAT WAS
SMOKELESS. THE INVENTION WAS FREE OF IT NICOTINE BUT HAD
PRODUCED A VAPOUR IN A FLAVOR THAT WAS DESIGNED TO REPLACE THE
SMOKE OF TOBACCO. SO THAT’S WHERE IT STARTED, THAT THIS WAS
A SAFE THING, IT WAS JUST A VAPOUR, IT WASN’T MEANT TO HAVE
NICOTINE. Mr. SPEAKER, I BELIEVE THAT
TOBACCO COMPANIES SAW THIS AS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO USE THIS
NEW INVENTION AND STARTED OFFERING eCIGARETTES WITH
NICOTINE. THESE COMPANIES USE A DISGUISE THAT IT WAS SOMETHING
THAT WAS HELPING SMOKERS QUIT BUT ACTUALLY OFFERED NICOTINE
AND THIS VERY HARM PRODUCT IN MORE — NUMBER A MORE MODERN
FORMAT. IT IS ACTUALLY — THE eCIGARETTES ARE RECHARGEABLE,
VERY ATTRACTIVE TO OUR YOUTH. Mr. SPEAKER, THERE IS A REAL
MISCONCEPTION THAT VAPING AND CIGARETTES ARE A SAFE
ALTERNATIVE TO TRADITIONAL CIGARETTES, ESPECIALLY AMONG OUR
YOUTH AND I WONDER HOW MANY OF OUR YOUTH’S PARENTS THINK THAT
IT IS SAFER THAN CIGARETTES? THE CANADIAN CANCER SOCIETY HAS
MADE IT CLEAR THAT VAPING HAS THE SAME CANCER-CAUSING EFFECTS
AS TRADITIONAL CIGARETTES. OUR YOUTH IN NOVA SCOTIA ARE
ENGAGING IN VAPING AT AN ALARMING LEVEL. THE NUMBER OF
USERS IN NOVA SCOTIA AND NEWFOUNDLAND ARE HIGHER THAN
ANYWHERE ELSE IN THIS COUNTRY. LAST WEEK, I ATTENDED AN EVENT
FOR MLAs HOSTED BY THE CANADIAN CANCER SOCIETY. WHAT
WAS DIFFERENT ABOUT THAT EVENT WAS A VERY INFORMATIVE BUT IT
WAS THE FACT THAT THEY INVITED ABOUT EIGHT OR TEN HIGH SCHOOL
STUDENTS FROM MILLWOOD HIGH SCHOOL. THE STUDENTS SPOKE SO
ELOQUENTLY ABOUT THE MARKETING METHODS AND HOW EASY IT IS FOR
THESE STUDENTS TO OBTAIN ECIGARETTES.
Mr. SPEAKER, THE INCREASE OF SALES FOR THE eCIGARETTES IS
NOT JUST WITHIN — IS ALSO TARGETED BY MARKETING BY THESE
COMPANIES. THIS DECISION TO VAPE IS REALLY RELATED TO THE
FACT THAT THESE COMPANIES ARE MAKING IT LOOK COOL AND VERY
ATTRACTIVE AND ACTUALLY I POSTED YESTERDAY ON A MY FACEBOOK ABOUT
THIS EVENT THAT THE CANCER SOCIETY HAD FOR THE MLAs AND I
PUT TWO PICTURES SIDE BY SIDE. THIS IS SOMETHING THEY SHOWED US
THAT EVENING. OF HOW THESE TOBACCO COMPANIES USED
ATTRACTIVE YOUNG WOMEN SMOKING CIGARETTES AND HOW THE SAME
THING IS HAPPENING TODAY. THEY ARE USING THE YOUNG LADY JUST TO
MAKE IT LOOK COOL AND ATTRACTIVE AND THIS IS THE SAME MARKETING
METHOD THAT TOBACCO COMPANIES USED. WE’RE REPEATING THE SAME
THINGS, Mr. SPEAKER. THE PHOTO FROM THE 1970s AND
THE PHOTO FROM NOW ARE EXACTLY THE SAME, JUST DIFFERENT OUTFITS
AND DIFFERENT STYLES OF THE SAME HARMFUL AND THEY USED THE SAME
TACTICS TO ATTRACT OUR YOUTH. TO ME, IT IS SO PAINFUL TO HAVE
SEEN THOSE TWO PICTURES AND I PUT IT ON MY FACEBOOK.
HOPEFULLY IT WILL TRIG HEAR IT TRIGGERED TO ME, THAT THOSE
COMPANIES ARE SO SMART OR SO CONNIVING I SHOULD SAY IN THEIR
MARKETING. I ALSO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO
SPEAK WITH A FEW INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS LATELY WHO INDICATED TO
ME THAT THEY WERE INTRODUCED TO VAPING ONLY AFTER THEY MOVED TO
NOVA SCOTIA. THESE ARE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE UNIVERSITY ABLE,
NOT EVEN HIGH SCHOOL AND I ACTUALLY CHALLENGED THEM TO SEE,
YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO QUIT. THEY TOLD ME IT IS NOT ADDICTIVE,
IT’S MUCH EASIER THIS IS HOW IT WAS SOLD TO THEM. SO THROUGH
TEXT, I CONNECTED WITH THEM TO SEE IF THEY CAN, AND BOTH OF
THEM HAVE REPLIED TO ME HOW HARD IT HAS BEEN FOR THEM TO QUIT
VAPING. THEY GAVE ME INFORMATION ON WHAT HAD THE
PERCENTAGES AND HOW THEY STARTED WITH A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF
NICOTINE IN THEIR VAPOR AND HOW IT INCREASED OVER TIME AND THE
WHOLE THING SEASON IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO. SO IT IS VERY
ADDICTIVE AND THE YOUTH AND THE ADULTS ARE NOT AWARE OF THIS
VAPING — THE HARM — THE RISKS INVOLVED INVOLVED IN VAPING.
IN 2015, OUR GOVERNMENT WAS THE FIRST JURISDICTION IF THE WORLD
TO BAN THE SALE OF FLAVORED TOBACCO. AND TREATING E
CIGARETTES IN THE SAME WAY AS THEY DID TOBACCO PRODUCTS.
Mr. SPEAKER, OUR GOVERNMENT IS LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF OPTIONS
ON HOW TO REDUCE YOUTH AND ADULT VAPING, INCLUDING REGULATING E
LIQUIDS, FLAVORS, AND LICENSING FOR EARLY ISES OF VAPING DEVICES
AND eLIQUIDS. THE TOBACCO ACCESS ACT AND OTHER LEGISLATION
CURRENTLY PROVIDES LEVERS THAT WE CAN USE. WE NEED TO BE
EVIDENCE-BASED IN THE DECISION MAKING TO ENSURE WE MAKE
EFFECTIVE AND ENFORCEABLE CHANGES.
AS YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO SINGLE ACTION THAT IS THE BEST
TREATMENT. WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS TO
ADDRESS THE ISSUE AS WELL AS CONSULTING WITH THE PUBLIC AND
THE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING THE CANCER SOCIETY.
Mr. SPEAKER, I WANT TO END BY SAYING WE AGREE THIS IS AN ISSUE
OF COMMON CONCERN AND THAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS WORKING ON
CONSULTING AND WE WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT. THANK YOU, Mr.
SPEAKER. [ Applause ]
The Speaker: MEMBER FOR HALIFAX NEEDHAM.
// THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS A
VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. AND THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES IN THE
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION FOR BRINGING FORWARD A BILL WITH HASTE TO
ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED QUICKLY. I THINK ONE
OF THE THINGS THAT I’M STRUCK AT IS HOW QUICKLY DISRUPTION IN
THIS CASE IN THE NICOTINE MARKETING, THE WAY AN ADDICTIVE
PRODUCT IS BEING SOLD AND DISSEMINATED, HOW QUICKLY THAT’S
HAPPENED. I FEEL LIKE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE RESPOND
QUICKLY AND YET AS MY COLLEAGUE FROM THE GOVERNMENT SIDE HAS
JUST SAID, IT’S ALSO IMPORTANT TO GET IT RIGHT. SO I THINK
IT’S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THIS. I DON’T
THINK, RESPECTFULLY, THAT THE BILL THAT THE PROGRESSIVE
CONSERVATIVE CAUCUS HAS BROUGHT FORWARD HATS GOTTEN IT RIGHT BUT
I’M GLAD WE’RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AND I LOOK FORWARD
TO SHARING SOME OF MY THOUGHTS ON WHAT EFFECTIVE REGULATION OF
YOUTH VAPING MIGHT INCLUDE. SO, OF COURSE, THIS IS AN ISSUE
OF CONCERN TO MANY SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS, PUBLIC HEALTH
EXPERTS, AND PARENTS. AND ONE OF THE MOST BASICS FUNCTIONS OF
GOVERNMENT IS TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH. WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, WE
WOULD NOT HAVE VACCINATIONS, WE WOULD NOT HAVE STUDENT AND WATER
TREATMENT SYSTEMS, OR HEALTH INSPECTIONS AT FOOD PROCESSING
FACILITIES AND RESTAURANTS. ALL OF WHICH HAVE LIMITED DISEASE
AND KEPT MORE OF US SAFER. AND YET YOUTH VAPING AND
VAPING — I GETS VAPING FOR ANYONE WHO IS ACTUALLY USING
VAPING NOT AS A WAY TO STOP SMOKING OR TO INGEST LESS
NICOTINE IS ACTUALLY A NEW CHALLENGE TO PUBLIC HEALTH.
/// MY COLLEAGUE FROM CAPE BRETON
CENTRE AND I MET WITH THE CHIEF MEDICAL DOCTOR OF HEALTH IN THE
SPRING. WHEN I FIRST BECAME AWARE OF THIS ISSUE, IT WAS
BECAUSE OF A PLAY DATE THAT MY SON HAD WHERE I ENDED UP SORT OF
STANDING ON THE SIDE OF AN OUTDOOR AREA WITH ANOTHER COUPLE
OF PARENTS AND THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW KIDS WERE COMING OVER FROM
THE NEIGHBOURHOOD JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL AND USING THE SAME SPACE
TO VAPE AND I HAD HONESTLY AT THAT MOMENT NO IDEA. IT CAME ON
TO BE MY RADAR VERY ABRUPTLY AND MADE ME REALIZE THAT, YEAH, THE
CHALLENGES OF PARENTING ARE GOING TO EVOLVE AS MY CHILDREN
GET OLDER AND I HAD BETTER PAY ATTENTION.
BUT Dr. ROBERT STRANG AND MEDICAL HEALTH OFFICERS FROM
ACROSS CANADA ISSUED A STATEMENT TOGETHER IN APRIL OF 2019 ABOUT
THE ALARMING NUMBER OF YOUTH WHO ARE PICKING UP THIS ADDICTIVE
HABIT AND WROTE THAT THEY FIND THE TREND VERY TROUBLING,
ESPECIALLY AS SO MANY OF THEM ARE NONSMOKERS. AND THIS IS I
THINK WHAT’S PARTICULARLY ALARMING ABOUT VAPING IS THAT
THESE DEVICES WERE BROUGHT ON TO THE MARKET WITH A STORY THAT ARE
IT WAS ABOUT TOBACCO CESSATION, ABOUT SMOKING CESSATION, AND YET
WHAT WE KNOW AMONGST YOUNG PEOPLE IS THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY
THE INTRODUCTION, THE BEGINNING OF WHAT COULD BE A LIFE LONG AND
CERTAINLY A VERY DAMAGING ADDICTION TO NICOTINE. IN NOVA SCOTIA, ALMOST 21% OF
YOUTH IN GRADES 7 TO 9 HAVE USED eCIGARETTES. IN THE PAST
30 DAYS IN COMPARISON TO THE CANADIAN AVERAGE OF 10% AT THE
TIME THAT THE SURVEY WAS DONE. AND ALMOST 37% OF ALL STUDENTS
IN GRADE 7 TO 12 REPORT HAVING TRIED AN eCIGARETTE AS OPPOSED
TO ABOUT 23% OF CANADIANS STUDENTS IN THE SAME GRADES.
AND AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL, 50% — 49% OF NOVA SCOTIANS,
ALMOST 1 IN 2, REPORTED USING AN eCIGARETTE AT LEAST ONCE.
I REMEMBER BEING A KID IN THE 1970s WHEN ONE OF MY CHORES
WOULD BE TO EMPTY THE ASHTRAYS AROUND OUR HOUSE. I REMEMBER
TRAVELLING IN A SMOKE-FILLED AIRPLANE. I REMEMBER MY PARENTS
— I REMEMBER MY PARENTS SMOKING A LITTLE BIT, BUT I
REMEMBER MY GRANDPARENTS QUITTING SMOKING NOT ONCE BUT SO
MANY TIMES OVER THE YEARS BEFORE THEY WERE FINALLY ABLE TO QUIT.
IT TOOK PUBLIC EDUCATION. IT TOOK REGULATIONS ON ADVERTISING,
AND PACKAGING, AND TAXATION MEASURES TO DRIVE DOWN SMOKING
RATES IN CANADA. AND NOW THOSE MEDICAL HEALTH OFFICERS ARE
WARNING US THAT A NEW GENERATION OF YOUTH ADDICTED TO NICOTINE
MAY LEAD TO A RESURGENCE IN SMOKING OR CREATE NEW PUBLIC
HEALTH PROBLEMS, REVERSING DECADES OF PROKING AND THOSE
DECADES OF PROGRESS WERE HARD-WON.
/// VAPING DEVICES ARE SO DIFFERENT
FROM CIGARETTES AND I, TOO, WOULD APPLAUD THE ARTICULATENESS
AND THE BRAVERY OF THOSE STUDENTS FROM MILLWOOD HIGH
SCHOOL WHO SPOKE WITH MLAs WHO ATTENDED THE EVENT ORGANIZED BY
THE CANADIAN CANCER SOCIETY JUST LAST WEEK. YOU KNOW, THEY
DESCRIBED HOW THE ODOR OF NICOTINE — OF VAPING DOESN’T
STAY ON YOU. THAT IT’S POSSIBLE TO BE EVEN IN THE BACK OF A
CLASSROOM OR TO TAKE A BRIEF BATHROOM BREAK AND RETURN TO THE
CLASSROOM AND NOT IN ANY WAY ALERT A TEACHER TO THE FACT THAT
A STUDENT HAS VAPED. AND SO
MANY OF THE DEVICES ARE ALSO DESIGNED TO BE ALMOST
COLLECTIBLE. DIFFERENT COLOURS, DIFFERENT SHAPES, SMALL LIKE A
USB DRIVE. AND, AGAIN, ACCORDING TO THOSE MEDICAL
OFFICERS OF HEALTH, A SINGLE NICOTINE POD CAN EXPOSE A USER
TO THE SAME AMOUNT OF NICOTINE AS AN ENTIRE PACK OF CIGARETTES.
SO PARENTS AND ALL ADULTS INVOLVED IN YOUTH VAPING ARE
CONCERNED ABOUT THE LONG-TERM HEALTH ASPECTS BUT EDUCATION IS
NOT ENOUGH AND WE WERE ALL, WHO ATTENDED THAT EVENT ORGANIZED BY
THE CANADIAN CANCER EVENT, WERE WARNED OF THIS, WERE ALERTED TO
THIS BY TODD LEADER WHO SPOKE AT THE END THAT EDUCATION MUST
FOLLOW REGULATION. IT MUST FOLLOW POLICY. A COMPANY
POLICY. IT ISN’T A SUBSTITUTE FOR POLICY.
IN MY CONSTITUENCY ELECTRONIC NEWSLETTER, I PUT OUT A
NEWSLETTER ONCE A MONTH, I WROTE ABOUT WHAT I HAD LEARNED ABOUT
VAPING AND WHAT THE MEDICAL OFFICERS OF HEALTH WERE WARNING
PEOPLE OF IN THE AUGUST EDITION AND I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THE
DEVELOPMENT OF SOME ROBUST POLICY IN THE LEGISLATION. BUT
WHILE THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THIS PARTICULAR BILL THAT WILL
WE AGREE WITH LAKE A MANDATORY PUBLIC EDUCATION PROGRAM ON THE
RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH VAPING, THERE ARE ALSO PROVISIONS THAT
CAUSE US CONCERN. FIRST, I’M CONCERNED WITH THE
PLAN TO BAN THE SALES OF FLAVORED eCIGARETTES AND
FLAVORED eCIGARETTE LIQUID WAS THIS IN ALL LIKELY HOOD WOULD
RESULT IN A BLACK MARKET. THIS IS PRECISELY THE SITUATION THAT
HAS CREATED THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE GIVEN RISE TO THE
DISTRIBUTION OF COUNTERFEIT THC VAPING PRODUCTS THAT HAVE CAUSED
SERIOUS ILLNESS AND IN SOME CASES DEATH IN VARIOUS
JURISDICTIONS, INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES, QUITE
HIGH-PROFILE CASES RECENTLY. WHEN THERE IS A DEMAND FOR A
PRODUCT THAT CARRIES HIGH RISKS, IT IS INCUMBENT ON US TO TAKE A
HARM REDUCTION APPROACH RATHER THAN A MORALIZING ONE. WE
AREN’T GOING TO DESTROY THE DEMAND FOR FLAVORED
ECIGARETTES BY BANNING THEM. IN THE WORDS OF DAVID HAMMOND, A
UNIVERSITY OF WATERLOO PROFESSOR WHO STUDIES VAPING AS PART OF
HIS RESEARCH ON CHRONIC DISEASES, WE CAN’T WISH THEM
AWAY. A BAN ON THE SALE OF FLAVORED eLIQUIDS AS IS
PROPOSED IN THIS LEGISLATION WILL PUSH PEOPLE WHO ALREADY USE
THESE PRODUCTS AND THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF THEM IN NOVA
SCOTIA, OUTSIDE THE LEGAL MARKET. PRODUCTS SOLD OUTSIDE
THE LEGAL MARKET WILL NOT BE TESTED, REGULATED, OR REQUIRED
TO MEET MANUFACTURING STANDARDS. SO TO ME, THIS IS — THIS MOVES
IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF WHAT WE’RE — WHERE WE’RE TRYING
TO GO WHICH IS TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM GETTING SICK.
YET MORE CONCERNING TO ME IS THAT THIS LEGISLATION DESIGNATES
THE USE OF TOBACCO AND TOBACCO PRODUCTS BY PEOPLE UNDER 19 AS A
CRIMINAL OFFENCE. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT CRIMINALIZING THE
INDIVIDUALS WHO USE THESE PRODUCTS WILL ACCOMPLISH
ANYTHING OTHER THAN SADDLING THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE WITH A MARK
ON THEIR RECORD. IF THIS LAW IS PASSED, THE NUMBER OF YOUNG
PEOPLE WITH SUMMARY CONVICTIONS WOULD SKYROCKET AND GIVEN WHAT
WE KNOW FROM OUR EXPERIENCE WITH STREET DRUGS AND THE FACT THAT
AFRICAN-NOVA SCOTIANS ARE SEVEN TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE STREET
CHECKED BY POLICE, I CAN’T SEE THAT YOUTH WOULDN’T BE
DISPROPORTIONATELY TARGETED. GROUPS LIKE THE CANADIAN CANCER
SOCIETY HAVE SAID — SORRY, THE LUNG ASSOCIATION HAVE SAID THAT
FINES FOR USERS ARE NOT — The Speaker: ORDER. THERE’S A
LITTLE BIT OF CHATTER IN HERE. I ASK THAT ALL MEMBERS KEEP IT
DOWN, PLEASE. THE MEMBER FOR HALIFAX NEEDHAM?
// THE CANADIAN LUNG ASSOCIATION HAS SAID THAT FINES FOR USERS
ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE HARM REDUCTION APPROACH THAT WE NEED
TO TAKE ON THIS ISSUE. AND FRANKLY, I’M SURPRISED THAT THE
LEGISLATION PROPOSE ASKED NOT FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE
CANADIAN CANCER SOCIETY. THEY HAD A COUPLE REALLY CLEAR FIRST
STEPS OR CLEAR DIRECTIONS WHERE THEY WERE ASKING US AS
LEGISLATORS TO GO. FIRST OF ALL, TO PROHIBIT THE SALE OF ALL
TOBACCO AND eCIGARETTE PRODUCTS TO USERS OR TO
INDIVIDUALS UNDER THE ABLE OF AGE OF 21.
MOST SPOKERS BEGIN BY THE AGE OF 19 AND TOBACCO COMPANIES ADMIT
IN INTERNAL DOCUMENTS THAT GETTING KIDS HOOKED IN THEIR
EARLY YEARS IS THEIR STRATEGY FOR LONG-TERM PROFITABILITY.
THIS LEGISLATION COULD BE ACTING IN WAYS OR PROPOSING MEASURES TO
MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO YOUTH VAPING RATES IT. COULD BE
BANNING THE SALE OF VAPING PRODUCTS AT MOST RETAIL
LOCATIONS, REQUIRING THAT STORES SPECIALIZING IN eCIGARETTE
PRODUCTS CHECK I.D. AT THE DOOR. AND IT COULD BE LOOKING AT
RAISING THE AGE AT WHICH YOU’RE REASON PLAY ALLOWED TO
PURCHASE — LEGALLY ALLOWED TO PURCHASE THOSE PRODUCTS TO 21.
IT COULD PREVENT BUSINESSES FROM SETTING UP SHOPS WITHIN 3
KILOMETRES OF HIGH SCHOOLS AND JUNIOR HIGHS. WE DON’T NEED TO
BE CRIMINALIZING OUR KIDS AND DRIVING PEOPLE WHO ALREADY USE
THESE PRODUCTS TO HELP THEM STAY OFF CIGARETTES INTO THE BLACK
MARKET. I WILL JUST FINALLY SAY THAT I
DO HOPE THAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOT PASS THIS LEGISLATION BUT
PUT A FIRE UNDER THE PUBLIC HEALTH RESOURCES THAT YOU HAVE
UNDER THE RESOURCES THAT THE GOVERNMENT THROUGH THE PUBLIC
SERVICE HAS ACCESS TO DEVELOP EFFECTIVE LEGISLATION. I WAS
STRUCK WHEN I RECEIVED A VERY THICK LETTER FROM IMPERIAL
TOBACCO ABOUT VAPING JUST SHORTLY AFTER I BECAME AWARE OF
THIS ISSUE AT ALL AND THEN MORE RECENTLY RECEIVED ANOTHER VERY
THICK LETTER FROM JEWEL WHICH IS ONE OF THE MAJOR MANUFACTUREERS
OF VAPING DEVICES WHICH I BELIEVE IS OWNED BY PHILIP
MORRIS TOBACCO. THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC
HEALTH THREAT WITH A GREAT DEAL OF CORPORATE PROFIT RIDING ON
IT. AND I THINK IT IS INCUMBENT ON THE GOVERNMENT WITH THE
ACCESS THAT HAD THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO THE RESOURCES OF THE
PUBLIC SERVICE TO RESPOND AS SWIFTLY AND WITH THE BEST
RESEARCH AND IN A HARM REDUCTION APPROACH IN A BY WAY THAT WILL
PROTECT OUR CHILDREN AND IN THE MEANTIME, IT IS INCUMBENT ON THE
REST OF US TO SPEAK ABOUT THE THREAT AND TO URGE THE
GOVERNMENT TO ACTING AND TO TALK ABOUT THIS DANGER OUR
CONSTITUENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ Applause ] The Speaker: RECOGNIZE THE
MEMBER FOR SACKVILLE .
// THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. YOU KNOW, THIS PC CAUCUS IS
INTRODUCING LEGISLATION TO START THIS PROCESS TOWARDS PROTECTING
OUR CHILDREN. AND IT’S OUR CHILDREN WHO ARE GOING TO GROW
UP AND LOOK LIKE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US IN THIS LEGISLATURE.
SO IT’S ALSO TO PROTECT THE FUTURE ADULTS. THE FUTURE
GRANDPARENTS. MY FATHER WAS BORN IN 1928 AND HE STARTED
SMOKING AROUND 12. PASSED AWAY ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO AND THROUGH
THAT JOURNEY OF TRYING TO QUIT, HE HAD A STROKE DUE TO SMOKING.
HE LOST A LEG DUE TO SMOKING. HE WAS IN CAMP HILL FOR THE LAST
FEW YEARS OF HIS LIFE AND EVEN THEN, HE WENT BACK TO SMOKING.
SMOKING NICOTINE IS EXTREMELY ADDICTIVE. MAKE NO BONES ABOUT
THAT. AND I LOOK AT VAPING AS A GATEWAY DRUG TO NICOTINE AND
TOBACCO. ANOTHER FORM OF DELIVERING IT.
AS THE DEBATE WAS GOING ON AND I THANK ALL MEMBERS FOR THEIR
COMMENTS, BEING NEW AND THE FIRST TIME I’VE SPOKEN TO A
BILL, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CROSSED MY MIND.
FROM BUSINESS, DON’T BE STRUCK TOWN BY ANALYSIS CAUSING
PARALYSIS. AND IT IS SAID
PERFECT IS THE ENEMY OF GOOD. AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT PERFECT
LEGISLATION IS. I THINK THAT LEGISLATION WILL LEAD TO
DEVELOPMENT OF THE REGULATIONS AND TO ME, THAT’S WHERE PERFECT
REGULATIONS WILL TACKLE GOOD LEGISLATION.
SO FOR YEARS, LET’S TALK ABOUT CONSISTENCY WITH ALCOHOL AND
CANNABIS AND THE AGE LIMITS AND THE WAY THEY’RE TREATED. SO FOR
YEARS, THERE’S BEEN A FINE FOR CONSUMING ALCOHOL UNDERAGE AND
SINCE THE CANNABIS CONTROL ACT CAME IN ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO,
THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES FOR POSSESSION UNDER 19 AND TORE
TOBACCO AND VAPING, THE LAWS HAVE FOCUSED ON PROHIBITING THE
SALE OF THOSE UNDER 19 BUT NOT HAS IT TACKLED THE POSSESSION
ISSUE. SO THIS BILL DOES LOOK AT TACKLING JUST THAT. AND
WE’RE HOPEFUL THAT IT WOULD ADD AND BE A DETERRENT TO YOUTH.
WHEN IT COMES TO TALKING ABOUT FLAVOR, I’M OLD ENOUGH TO
REMEMBER WHEN IT COMES TO COST AND FLAVOR, MY FATHER GETTING UP
EARLY IN THE MORNING AND I KNOW HE WOULD BE UP BECAUSE ALL YOU
HEARD WAS THE HACKING AND COUGHING. AND IT WOULD GO ON
AND ON AND ON AND ON. AND WHEN CIGARETTES IN THE 1960s BECAME
SO EXPENSIVE, HE BOUGHT THIS ROLLING MACHINE. THIS ROLLING
MACHINE TO CREATE CIGARETTES AND THEN, OF COURSE, HE HAD TO HAVE
HIS RAZOR BLADE TO CUT THE CIGARETTES AND I SEE A NUMBER OF
MEMBERS NODDING. YOU REMEMBER THAT AS WELL. NICOTINE IS
EXTREMELY ADDICTIVE. EXTREMELY ADDICTIVE.
SO BACK IN ABOUT THE LATE 1900s, EARLY 2000s, THERE
WAS A LOT OF ADVOCACY DONE, A LOT OF RESEARCH AND BEING
WILLING AT YOUTH AND YOUTH AND SMOKING. I WAS A MEMBER OF THE
NATIONAL BOARD OF THE CANADIAN CANCER SOCIETY AND WE TOOK GREAT
PRIDE IN ADVOCACY AND WORKING WITH GOVERNMENTS TO REDUCE THOSE
THINGS THAT ENTICE YOUNG PEOPLE TO SMOKE. THERE ARE MANY, MANY,
MANY PRESSURES ON OUR YOUTH. PEER PRESSURE BEING ONE OF THEM
AND TO BE COOL AND IN THAT GROOVE WITH YOUR MATES, TO BE
ABLE TO HAVE THAT CIGARETTE AND SHARE IT AND TO NOT ONLY SHARE
IT BUT IF YOU HAVE IT AND NOBODY ELSE HAS IT, YOU CAN GIVE IT TO
SOMEBODY. WE’RE SEEING NOW A CULTURE IN VAPING THAT IT’S
COOL. IT’S VERY COOL. YOU CAN HAVE THIS DEVICE THAT LOOKS LIKE
A BRICK OR YOU CAN HAVE A DEVICE THAT LOOKS LIKE A THUMB DRIVE.
IT’S EASY TO DO. YET THE COMPONENTS, THE FLUID, THE FUEL,
THAT IS THERE IS UNCONTROLLED. NICOTINE LEVELS, 3-MILLIGRAMS,
6-MILLIGRAMS, 10 MILL BRING GRAMS. IT’S HIGHER. AND IN A
SINGLE HIT, YOU MIGHT ABSORB MORE NICOTINE THAN YOU WOULD IN
TWO, THREE, FOUR, A PACK OF CIGARETTES.
IT’S A TROJAN HORSE. IT’S BEEN INTRODUCED BY THOSE WHO HAD THE
TOBACCO INDUSTRY AND HAVE SEEN THE WAY SOCIETY HAS GONE AND THE
WAY PEOPLE ARE AFFECTED IN THEIR HEALTH.
/// SO HOW DO I KEEP MY BUSINESS GOING? WELL, I HAVE A
SUBSTITUTE PRODUCT. AND WHAT BETTER SUBSTITUTE PRODUCT TO
HAVE THAN ONE THAT IS NOT REGULATED TO THE EXTENT THAT MY
CURRENT PRODUCT HAS. SO LET’S GET THAT IN THERE. WHAT THE
CANADIAN CANCER SOCIETY HAS FOUND AND OTHERS THAT ABOUT
45,000 PEOPLE A YEAR IN CANADA DIE FROM THE IMPACTS OF TOBACCO.
FROM THE IMPACTS OF TOBACCO. NICOTINE. ABOUT 30% OF THOSE
ARE CANCER-RELATED. SO YOU HAVE
THROAT CANCER, LUNG CANCER, YOU HAVE ALL SORTS OF RESPIRATORY
ILLNESSES THAT IMPACT PEOPLE’S HEALTH. AND WE’RE SEEING THAT
NOW IN NORTH AMERICA AS WHEN WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THESE
PRODUCTS COMING IN AS CESSATION TOOLS AND I’LL GET TO THAT IN A
SECOND. WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT PEOPLE ARE TAKING THEM AND
BECOMING ADDICTED. UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OR RESULT OF HAVING
A PRODUCT THAT WOULD HELP PEOPLE CEASE BECOMING ILL LATER ON AND
TO REDUCE THEM ON THE DEPENDENCE OF NICOTINE.
SO WHEN WE’RE LOOKING AT THIS, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT
WHAT ATTRACTS PEOPLE TO THESE PRODUCTS. NOW, CERTAINLY I
TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE NEW COOL iPHONE-LIKE
VAPING PRODUCT. ABOUT THE THUMB DRIVE. TALK ABOUT THE FLAVORS.
WELL, HOW CAN YOU GET SOMETHING THAT TASTES SO GOOD? IT’S
ENTICING. AS A YOUTH, YOU’RE ALLOWED TO GO AND HAVE CHERRY
FLAVORED WHATEVER IT IS. CRANBERRY, BLUEBERRY CRUSH. ALL
OF THESE FLAVORS THAT ARE ATTRACTING OUR YOUTH. IT’S ONE
OF THOSE THINGS THAT IN THE MARKETING SENSE, HEY, IF IT
TASTES GOOD, LOOK IT, IT IF WE MAKE TOMATOES TASTE BETTER THAN
THEY DO NOW, WE WOULD HAVE A MARKET OUT THERETO WAITING FOR
US. BUT IF WE HAVE A PRODUCT THAT IS GOING TO GO AHEAD AND
TAKE PEOPLE AND MOVE THEM TOWARD NICOTINE AND TOBACCO AND PROTECT
OUR MARKET AND OUR PRODUCT, THEN WHY NOT? WELL, THAT’S WHAT’S
HAPPENING. THAT’S WHAT’S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. IN A STUDY
BY THE CANCER SOCIETY THAT THEY BROUGHT FORWARD THAT WAS
PUBLISHED IN THE BRITISH MEDICAL JOURNAL, THEY SAID THAT WE HAVE
ABOUT 45% INCREASE IN USE OF ECIGARETTES IN YOUTH IN THE
YEARS 17-18, 18-BUN 9. AS -19. WE WERE
PRIDING OURSELVES ON THE WORK WE DID FOR SMOKING CESSATION SO THE
PREVENTION OF SMOKING, THE ADVOCACY THAT WAS DONE WITH THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND HERE THAT REMOVED THE FLAVORED TOBACCOS,
REMOVED FLAVORED CIGARETTES AND CIGARELLOS. WHY? BECAUSE WE
WANTED TO REDUCE THAT ENTICEMENT TO SMOKING. THAT, WE DID.
PREVIOUS TO THE INTRODUCTION OF eCIGARETTES, VAPING, THE YOUTH
DECLINE AND RATES CONTINUED WITH ADVOCACY, INCREASE IN
REGULATIONS AROUND PACKAGING, AROUND ADVERTISING, AROUND
ACCESS, AROUND SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT MADE IT EASY FOR
YOUTH TO GET THESE CIGARETTES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, YOU SAY,
OKAY, SO YOU TAKE AWAY ALL THOSE REGULATIONS, ALL THOSE THINGS,
AND LEAVE IT ALONE, THE DECLINE WAS THERE. IT WAS HAPPENING.
BUT NOW WE INTRODUCED SOMETHING ELSE, AN eCIGARETTE AND
VAPING, AND NOW WE’VE SEEN THE INCLINE START. WHERE PEOPLE ARE
BECOMING ADDICTED AND THEY’RE BECOMING ADDICTED IN GREAT
NUMBERS. SO MUCH SO THAT WE STARTED TO SEE THE INCREASE IN
USE OF TOBACCO. BECAUSE ONCE YOU DO THIS, THEN YOU CAN GO AND
YOU CAN BUY TOBACCO AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF YOU BUYING ABOUT
TOBACCO IS MUCH GREATER IF YOU’VE USED ONE OF THESE
PRODUCTS THAN NOT. SO LET’S GO BACK TO THE AGE OF
19 FOR A SECOND. A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, THE AGE LIMIT FOR
CONSUMING ALCOHOL CHANGED FROM 21 DOWN TO 19. WHY DID WE DO
THAT? BUT IT WAS CONSISTENT. I CAN TELL YOU BECAUSE BOTH MY
PARENTS ARE — HAVE PASSED AWAY, THAT I WAS GRADE 11 AT HIGH
SCHOOL AND WE WOULD GET DROPPED OFF THE SCHOOL BUS, GO TO THE
PUB, AND WE WERE DRINKING WAY UNDER THE ABLE AGE OF 21 AND
EVEN UNDER THE AGE OF 19. SO THERE’S
NO PERFECT REGULATION THAT’S GOING TO STOP YOUTH FROM DOING
THIS. THERE IS NO PERFECT REGULATION. IT’S ALL
LEGISLATION. SO WE HAVE TO REMOVE A NUMBER OF FACTORS THAT
WILL HELP OUR YOUTH. NICOTINE ADDICTION IS EXTREMELY BAD AND
IT’S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME AND THAT’S WHAT WE’RE FIGHTING.
TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN’T HELP
MITIGATE. YES, THERE WILL BE OTHER PEOPLE WHO WILL PROVIDE
IT. THERE WILL BE OTHER PEOPLE WHO WILL BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU
KNOW WHAT? HEY, LET ME TRY THAT. ESPECIALLY IF THEIR PEERS
HAVE HUGE ACCESS TO IT. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU ONE MORE THING IF WE TALK ABOUT
PARENTS. WE TALK ABOUT PARENTS DOING THE RIGHT THING SOMETIMES
OR GUARDIANS. BUT IT’S NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE. WE DON’T ALL
KNOW WHAT OUR KIDS DO. WE DON’T KNOW WHAT OUR GRAND KIDS DO. I
CAN TELL YOU ONE SPORT STORY BEFORE I CLOSE. SO MY DAUGHTER
39 YEARS AGO WAS IN GRADE 7, JUST STARTING HIGH SCHOOL,
JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, RATHER. AND I CAUGHT HER WITH A PACK EVER
CIGARETTES. WHERE DID YOU GET THOSE? WELL, ALL THE KIDS HAVE
THEM, DAD. AND I GOT THEM AT THIS PARTICULAR STORE. THEY’RE
OUT IN THE OPEN AND THE PROPRIETOR ABSOLUTELY PROVIDED
THE YOUTH AROUND THERE WITH THE CIGARETTES. SO I CALLED THE
R.C.M.P. AND I SAID MY NAME IS STEVE CRAIG, MY DAUGHTER HAS
CIGARETTES THAT SHE OBTAINED FROM THIS PARTICULAR PROPRIETOR
AT THE STORE AND I’M GOING TO GO DOWN THERE AND ADDRESS IT. SO
THEY MET ME THERE. I DIDN’T GET A CHANCE TO ADDRESS IT. SO WHAT
CAN YOU DO? HOW CAN YOU HELP YOUR YOUTH BE SAFE? IF YOU NEED
SOME ASSISTANCE AND AS PARENTS AND GUARDIANS, WE NEED
ASSISTANCE. WE NEED ASSISTANCE TOO HELP OUR YOUTH, OUR FUTURE
ADULT, THE PEOPLE WHO WILL SIT IN THIS HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY.
SO IF PERFECT Sr. NOT GOOD ENOUGH, I HOPE THAT WHATEVER
COMES FORWARD IN THE NEXT LITTLE WHILE IS. I NEED TO BE ABLE TO
LOOK AT MY FAMILY MEMBERS, MY COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND SAY YOU
KNOW WHAT? WE TRY TO HELP YOU AS BEST WE K YOU HAVE TO MAKE
THE DECISIONS, GRANTED. HOWEVER, IF WE’RE MAKING A DRUG
LIKE NICOTINE SO READILY AVAILABLE AND ATTRACTABLE TO OUR
YOUTH, WE I THINK ARE DOING A DISSERVICE TO EVERYONE,
ESPECIALLY OUR YOUTH. WE CERTAINLY WOULD NOT TELL OUR
YOUTH TO GO OUT AND PICK UP A NEEDLE, AN ILLEGAL DRUG.
NICOTINE IS LEGAL. WE WOULD NOT DO THAT. WE WOULD NOT ADVOCATE
FOR ANY ILLEGAL DRUGS. SO I
DON’T KNOW WHERE WE’RE GOING TO GO WITH THIS. I SUSPECT WE’RE
NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME TO A CONCLUSION, A RESOLUTION, THAT
THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE OR THE PC CAUCUS WILL BE ABLE TO TALK
ABOUT AT LAW AMENDMENTS. BUT CERTAINLY ONE THING WILL HAPPEN
IS THAT WHEN THIS DOES COME UP, WE WILL CERTAINLY WORK WITH
WHOEVER BRINGS UP THE LEGISLATION AND, AGAIN, PERFECT
Sr. NOT THE GOAL. THE GOAL — PERFECT IS NOT THE GOAL. THE
GOAL IS TO HELP OUR YOUTH AND OUR FUTURE ADULTS AND IN DOING
SO, WE’VE DONE OUR JOB I THINK. SO, Mr. SPEAKER, WITH THAT,
I’LL CONCLUDE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MEMBERS, FOR
YOUR ATTENTION. The Speaker: I RECOGNIZE THE
HOUSE LEADER FOR THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
// I’D LIKE TO NOW CALL BILL NUMBER 181, AN ACT TO AMEND THE
PUBLIC UTILITIES ACT. The Speaker: BILL 181, THE ACT
TO AMEND THE PUBLIC UTILITIES ACT. THE MEMBER FROM DARTMOUTH
EAST. // THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER.
Mr. SPEAKER, IT’S MY HONOUR TO RISE TO SPEAK ON A BILL THAT I
BROUGHT FORWARD YESTERDAY TO THIS HOUSE. BILL 181, AN ACT TO
AMEND CHAPTER 380 OF THE REVISED OUT IS AS OF 1989, THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES ACT RESPECTING CHARITABLE HOUSING.
NOW, Mr. SPEAKER, I THINK ALL OF NEWS OUR CONSTITUENCIES, I
KNOW WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE HAVE
ENORMOUS PRIDE IN AND AN ORGANIZATION THAT I HAVE
ENORMOUS PRIDE IN IS A GROUP CALLED AFFIRMATIVE VENTURES AND
AFFIRMATIVE VENTURES IS A NOT FOR PROFIT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING
ORGANIZATION THAT OFFERS SUPPORTS TO THOSE DEALING WITH
MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. IT PROVIDES HOUSING AND IT PROVIDES
EMPLOYMENT. AND AS AN MLA, I’VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HONOUR THE
GREAT WORK BEING DONE BY THE STAFF AT AFFIRMATIVE VENTURES
IT, BY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. I’VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT
THIS SUPPORTIVE HOUSING UNIT THAT WE HAVE IN EAST DARTMOUTH
JOUST LOCATED ON — JUST LOCATED ON MAIN STREET AND IT’S
WONDERFUL, Mr. SPEAKER, TO SEE THE SUPPORTS THAT ARE OFFERED
THERE. THE DIGNITY THAT PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO LIVE WITH THERE AT
AFFIRMATIVE VENTURES. THE SUPPORTS, THE MENTAL HEALTH
SUPPORTS THAT ARE OFFERED. IN MANY RESPECTS, Mr. SPEAKER, I
SAY THIS AS A POINT OF PRIDE. IT IS A TEMPLATE I THINK THAT WE
CAN EMULATE AND MODEL THROUGHOUT NOVA SCOTIA.
WE KNOW, Mr. SPEAKER, THERE IS A MAJOR HOUSING ISSUE IN METRO.
WE KNOW, Mr. SPEAKER, THAT THERE IS A HOUSING ISSUE IN NOVA
SCOTIA. THERE ARE EXAMPLES, HOWEVER, WHERE GREAT THINGS ARE
BEING DONE. AND AFFIRMATIVE VENTURES HAS PLANS TO EXPAND ITS
OPERATIONS ON MAIN STREET IN DARTMOUTH. WHICH IS WONDERFUL.
THEY HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD. SINCE 2007, THEY HAVE PROVIDED
SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TO OFTEN TO OUR MOST
VULNERABLE IN SOCIETY. AND I HAVE SEEN THOSE SUCCESS STORIES,
OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO LIVE INDEPENDENT LIVES, BEING ABLE TO
LIVE WITH DIGNITY, BEING ABLE TO LIVE WITHIN COMMUNITY. I HAVE
TO SAY, Mr. SPEAKER, I HAVE NOTICED AFFIRMATIVE VENTURES HAS
FOR THOSE WHO ARE LIVING IN THAT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING YOU KNOW, THE
CYCLE OF POVERTY HAS BEEN BROKEN. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU
THAT AROUND AWARE OF THE GREAT SUCCESS OF THIS NOT FOR PROFIT
SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VISIT. I ENCOURAGE THE
MINISTER RESPONSIBLE FOR HOUSING IF AT THE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
VISIT AFFIRMATIVE VENTURES AND I’D LIKE TO EXTEND THAT
INVITATION. I KNOW THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A
VISIT SO THEY CAN SHOW YOU THEIR VISION AND THEIR OPERATIONS.
BILL 181 VERY MUCH IS A BILL REQUESTING GOVERNMENT TO ANALYZE
THE PUBLIC UTILITIES ACT. THROUGH THE LENS OF POTENTIALLY
WAIVING FEES OR REDUCING FEES FOR NOT FOR PROFIT SUPPORTIVE
HOUSING. IT’S A VERY SPECIFIC ASK IN THE BILL.
WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGE IN THIS HOUSE, Mr. SPEAKER, THAT, YES,
THERE ARE MAJOR HOUSING ISSUES. THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE
DONE NOW TO HELP CLEAR THE OBSTACLES, CLEAR THE REGULATORY
RED TAPE. I KNOW THIS IS A GOVERNMENT THAT’S SET UP THE
OFFICE OF REGULATORY AFFAIRS TO REDUCE THE RED TAPE FOR
ENTREPRENEURS, TO REDUCE RED TAPE FOR ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE
WISHING TO EXPAND. SO WE KNOW AFFORDABLE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING
FOR THOSE WHO ARE BATTLING MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, WHO ARE
DEALING WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, WE KNOW THAT THIS
ORGANIZATION HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD. A RECORD GOING BACK TO
2007. AFFIRMATIVE VENTURES, IT PROVIDES HOUSING, SUPPORTS, AND
OPPORTUNITIES FOR EMPLOYMENT. WE’VE OFTEN SPOKE ABOUT THE
WRAP-AROUND MODEL. THIS IS SOMETHING THEY ARE DOING NOW.
VERY MUCH DESIGNED, YOU KNOW, BY DOCTOR NORMAN GREENBERG. IT IS
A TEMPLATE I BELIEVE AND A MODEL THAT CAN BE EMULATED THROUGHOUT
THE PROVINCE. AND, OF COURSE, Mr. SPEAKER, ITS MANDATE AS AN
ORGANIZATION IS TO HOLD THOSE — TO HELP THOSE WITH DISABILITIES
ACHIEVE SOCIOECONOMIC
INDEPENDENCE. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THE SUPPORTS THAT ARE OFFERED
THROUGH THIS NOT FOR PROFIT HOUSING GROUP, THE BENEFITS ARE
REAL. IT’S AN ORGANIZATION THAT GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO PROMOTE.
IT’S AN EXAMPLE I THINK THAT CAN BE EMULATED THROUGHOUT THE
PROVINCE. /// Mr. Mr. SPEAKER, WE KNOW THAT ONE
IS ABLE TO ACHIEVE DIGNITY AND INDEPENDENCE BY LIVING IN
COMMUNITY, BY HAVING THOSE SUPPORTS AND AFFIRMATIVE
VENTURES CONTAININGS A COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH AS I SAID
TO END THAT CYCLE OF POVERTY. THE PROGRAMMING THEY OFFER IS
SIMPLY AMAZING. THE NATURE OF THIS BILL IS ASKING THE MINISTER
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PUBLIC UTILITIES ACT TO HAVE A LOOK AT
THAT ACT, HAVE A LOOK AT IT, IT WHAT OBSTACLES CAN BE REMOVED,
CAN WE WAIVE FEES, CAN WE REDUCE FEES AS NOT FOR PROFIT
ORGANIZATIONS EXPAND? WHEN AFFIRMATIVE VENTURES OPENED IN
2007, THE HOOK-UP FEE TO HALIFAX WATER WAS MINIMAL IN TERMS OF
THE PROJECT GOING AHEAD. NOW IT’S INCREASED BY 1000%. AND I
BELIEVE, Mr. SPEAKER, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE GOVERNMENT CAN
GIVE THAT DISCRETION TO THE REGULATOR TO WAIVE OR REDUCE
FEES. SO WE NEED TO SUPPORT ORGANIZATIONS, Mr. SPEAKER,
LIKE AFFIRMED VENTURES WHO WISH TO EXPAND THEIR FACILITIES.
THEY ARE ON THE GROUND DEALING WITH THE HOUSING ISSUES NOW.
IT’S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR GOVERNMENT TO SHOW LEADERSHIP.
THEY’RE ALREADY PROVIDING THE SUPPORTS. AND THEY WANT TO
EXPAND MORE HOUSING UNITS WITHIN DARTMOUTH TO HELP OUR FELLOW
RESIDENTS. SO, Mr. SPEAKER, AFFIRMATIVE
VENTURES IS CURRENTLY IN DEVELOPMENT OF EXPANDING THEIR
MAIN STREET OPERATIONS AND THEY EXPECT TO BREAK GROUND IN A FEW
MONTHS AND THE GENESIS OF THIS BILL COMES FROM CONSULTATIONS
WITH THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS. WHEN I ASKED THEM, YOU KNOW,
WHAT COULD GOVERNMENT DO TO HELP FACILITATE THE EXPANSION OF
THIS, THEY SAID THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR GOVERNMENT TO
LOOK AT THE OBSTACLES WITHIN EXISTING BUILDS TO AFFORDABLE
SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. SO I BELIEVE A PROBLEM HAS BEEN
IDENTIFIED. I BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
OFFER A SOLUTION. I ASK THAT THE MINISTER RESPOND FOR THE
PUBLIC UTILITYIES ACT MEET WITH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO
DISCUSS THIS. OBVIOUSLY, Mr. SPEAKER, IF THE GOVERNMENT
PASSED THIS BILL, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT SIGNAL TO NOVA
SCOTIANS THAT THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN TO REMOVE THE RED TAPE,
TO REMOVE THE OBSTACLES. TO REMOVING THE BARRIER TO
AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO, Mr. SPEAKER, AGAIN,
AFFIRMATIVE VENTURES, IT’S BEEN AN MAIN STREET SINCE 2007, IT
HAS A 12-YEAR TRACK RECORD OF PROVIDING SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.
WE KNOW THAT THE COST OF HOOKING UP A NEW BUILDING HAS INCREASED
BY 1000% FOR PERMIT FEES. 70% OF THAT IS RELATED TO WATER
COSTS. WHY NOT, Mr. SPEAKER, LOWER OR WAIVE THE FEES FOR
AFFORDABLE NOT FOR PROFIT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING NUMBER IT’S
NOT — THE BILL ISN’T SAYING YOU MUST, BUT THE BILL IS REQUESTING
THE REGULATOR TO HAVE — TO MAKE THAT PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT. TO
GIVE THAT FLEXIBILITY. I HAVE ATTEMPTED, Mr. SPEAKER, TO TRY
TO GO THROUGH THE FORMAL CHANNELS ONLY TO BE TOLD THE WAY
FORWARD IS HAVE, YOU KNOW, REQUEST THE GOVERNMENT TO HAVE A
LACK AT THE PUBLIC UTILITIES ACT. SO THAT, Mr. SPEAKER, I
THINK IS A GOOD START FOR THE GOVERNMENT. REVIEW THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES ACT THROUGH THIS LENS. THERE IS A GREAT STAKE HOLDER
OUT THERE WAITING FOR YOU TO BE CONSULTED WITH AND I THINK THIS
COULD BE A VERY GOOD STEP FOR THE FUTURE OF IT AFFORDABLE NOT
FOR PROFIT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IN NOVA SCOTIA. THANK YOU, Mr.
SPEAKER. [ Applause ]
The Speaker: HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR HANTS EAST.
// HELLO, Mr. SPEAKER. SO OCCASIONALLY AN OPPOSITION BILL
COMES FORWARD TO THE HOUSE THAT HAS MERIT. AS A GOVERNMENT, WE
ALSO KNOW THAT FINDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN BE A
CHALLENGE. ESPECIALLY WITH THE PREF LENS OF AIRBNBs —
PREVALENCE OF AIRBNBs IN THE PROVINCE. THE MEMBER HAS
BROUGHT FORWARD A BILL THAT I WILL SPEAK TO IT. IS AN ACT TO
AMEND CHAPTER 380 OF THE REVISED STATUTES 1989 OF THE PUBLIC
UTILITIES BEING A RESPECT BEING CHARITABLE HOUSING. AND HE HAS
ASKED THE GOVERNMENT TO SHOW LEADERSHIP ON THIS. SO BILL 181
HAS BEEN INTRODUCED AND SPEAKS OF ALLOWING REGULATED PUBLIC
UTILITIES TO CHARGE LESSER AS FOR SERVICES PERFORMED IN
RESPECT OF CHARITABLE HOUSING. SO THE GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY —
WE’RE SHOWING AND DEMONSTRATING HOW WE ALREADY ARE SHOWING
LEADERSHIP. THE GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY TAKEN A NUMBER OF STEPS
TO ENCOURAGE COMMUNITY HOUSING, INCLUDING INVESTING IN HOME
EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS AND LACKING AT OTHER INITIATIVES AROUND THE
COMMUNITY TO LOWER COSTS THROUGH IMPROVEMENTS RESULTING IN ENERGY
EFFICIENCIES. SO THOSE PROGRAMS ARE FUNDED THREW THE
GOVERNMENT’S GENERAL REVENUE FUND. THE PROPOSED BILL HAS
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. WE MEET BEFORE ANY LEGISLATION EVEN
GETS TO THIS HOUSE AND DISCUSS ALL THE BILLS GOING FORWARD TO
SEE IF THERE ARE ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT ANY OF US CAN
PICK UP BEFORE THEY GO ANY FARTHERRER AND THIS IS ONE WHERE
THIS BILL WOULD HAVE DONE BETTER WITH THAT.
FIRST, THE REGULATION OF THE UTILITY RATES UNDERTAKEN BY THE
INDEPENDENT UTILITY AND REVIEW BOARD IS REQUIRED TO ENSURE COST
RECOVERY. THESE COSTS ARE RECOVERED ACROSS ALL TAXPAYERS.
REGULATED UTILITY COSTS ARE NOT FUNDED THROUGH ITS GENERAL
REVENUE FUND. SO LOWERING THE RATES AMONG SOME RATE PAYERS
SUCH AS PROPOSED IN THIS BILL WOULD MEAN REMAINING TAXPAYERS
WOULD HAVE TO FACE INCREASED UTILITY COSTS. THAT WOULD GIVE
US A TWO-TIERED SYSTEM AS FAR AS UTILITY COSTS ABOUT. THIS GO. RATE PAYERS
ON FIXED INCOMES SUCH AS SENIORS WHO ALSO DO NOT LIVE IN
CHARITABLE HOUSING WOULD BE AFFECTED AERS HAVELY. LOWERING
THE RATES AMONG SOME RATE PAYERS SUCH AS PROPOSED IN THIS BILL
WOULD MEAN REMAINING RATE PAY WORRIES HAVE TO FACE INCREASES
IN UTILITY COSTS. SECOND, THE ADMINISTRATION’S
PROPOSED AMENDMENT HAS NOT BEEN ADEQUATELY CONSIDERED. THE
DEFINITION OF THE SERVICES IS VERY BROAD AND A NEW REGULATION
WOULD BE NEEDED FOR EACH CHARITABLE ENTITY TO BE
CONSIDERED ELIGIBLE. SO THIS IS WHY THE GOVERNMENT HAS ADOPTED
THE APPROACH OF PROGRAMS TO SUPPORT COMMUNITY HOUSING. AND
AVOIDS THE NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES THAT BILL 181 WOULD LEAD TO.
MORE BROADLY, THE GOVERNMENT HAS PROVIDED TAX RELIEF FOR LOW AND
MIDDLE-INCOME NOVA SCOTIANS ALREADY. SINCE 2018, MORE THAN
9,500 NOVA SCOTIANS HAVE BENEFITTED FROM THE BASIC AMOUNT
AND SPOUSAL AMOUNT BY $3,000 FROM 8,481 TO 11,481. THAT’S
CONCRETELY HELPING ALL NOVA SCOTIANS CAN. NOVA
SCOTIANS. THIS HE HAS ARES A 35% ENHANCEMENT. THE AGE AMOUNT
CREDIT FOR SENIORS HAS ALSO INCREASED BY 35.4% FROM $4,141
TO $5,606. THESE CREDIT AMOUNTS HAVE NOT BEEN CHANGED SINCE
2011. AN ADDITIONAL 63,000 TAX FILERS NO LONGER PAY TAXES,
Mr. SPEAKER. [ Some Applause ]
AS FOR THE GOVERNMENT SHOWING INITIATIVE, I THINK WE CAN
REALLY HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THESE AND THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. THE PROVINCE — FUNDING UNDER THE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE PROVINCE HAS CREATED MORE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING OPTIONS FOR NOVA SCOTIANS BY INVESTING
$197.1 MILLION AS PART OF THE FEDERAL/PROVINCIAL AGREEMENT TO
STRENGTHEN HOUSING PROGRAMS. THAT’S A LOT OF MONEY. IN
TOTAL, MORE THAN $394 MILLION WILL GO TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING
OVER TEN YEARS. GOVERNMENT HAS INVESTED CLOSE TO 212 MILLION IN
HOUSING OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS. THAT IS AN INVESTMENT IN
NOVA SCOTIANS. THE THREE-YEAR ACTION PLAN IS
THE FIRST OF THREE REQUIRED UNDER THE 10-YEAR CANADA-NOVA
SCOTIA HOUSING AGREEMENT. NEARLY 3,000 NOVA SCOTIAN
HOUSEHOLDS IN NEED WILL HAVE ACCESS TO MORE AFFORDABLE
HOUSING OPTIONS. THE PROVINCE IS PLANNING TO INVEST
APPROXIMATELY 70 MILLION TO SUPPORT PROVINCIAL PRIORITIES
AND 2500 MORE HOUSEHOLDS IN THE PROVINCE. OF THE PROVINCIAL
COST MATCH FUNDING OF 44 MILLION, 17.6 MILLION
REPRESENTS NEW FUNDING AND 26.4 MILLION IS EXISTING FUNDING
TO SUPPORT THE CONTINUATION OF CURRENT PROGRAMS.
TRENDS IMPACTING HOUSING NEEDS ARE POPULATION GROWTH, LOW
VACANCY RATES, ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE RENTAL OPTIONS
OUTSIDE OF HRM. THE FIRST THREE YEARS OF THE ACTION PLAN WILL
SUPPORT 21 — OVER 2,000 EXISTING HOUSING UNITS
PRESERVED, 250 PUBLIC HOUSING UNITS REPAIRED OR REDEVELOPED.
THAT’S A LOT OF PEOPLE GETTING SUPPORT. OVER 1300 LOW-INCOME
HOMEOWNERS BENEFIT FROM REPAIR AND ADAPTATION PROGRAMS. AND I
KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE PROMOTE IN OUR OFFICE WHEN WE
HAVE SENIORS COME INTO OUR HOMES AND THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO STAY
IN THEIR HOMES. THEY DON’T WANT TO GO TO A NURSING HOME, OTHER
TYPES OF HOUSING, THEY DON’T WANT TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES BUT
THEY NEED HELP. WE HAVE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS IN PLACE
THAT ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT H A LADY CALLED ME A FEW WEEKS AGO
AND SHE HAD HAD NO WATER, NO WATER ALL SUMMER. NOW, I CAN’T
IMAGINE WHEN THE POWER GOES OUT AND WE DON’T HAVE ANY WATER FOR
FOUR HOURS, THAT’S A HARDSHIP SOMETIMES. BUT SHE HAD GONE THE
WHOLE SUMMER CARRYING HER WATER. WHEN HOUSING WENT IF FOO HER
HOME TO WORK, SHE ALSO DIDN’T HAVE KITCHEN CUPBOARDS AND OTHER
THINGS IN HER HOME. THE HOUSING AUTHORITY ARE GOING TO BRING HER
HOUSE UP TO STANDARD BESIDES REPAIRING HER WATER ISSUES AND
THAT NOW HAS BEEN DONE. OVER 200 AFFORDABLE RENTAL
HOUSING UNITS ARE MADE AVAILABLE THROUGH REHABILITATION OR NEW
CONSTRUCTION. 40 NEW AFFORDABLE UNITS AND COMMUNITY HOUSING
SECTORS. 65 NEW RENTAL UNITS MADE AVAILABLE THROUGH THE
TRANSFORMATION FUND. 200 EXPIRING RENT SUPPLEMENTS WILL
CONTINUE AND 230 NEW SUPPLEMENTS WILL BE CREATED. NOW, THAT’S
SOMETHING THAT I FOUND WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING LAST TIME, I
WENT INTO AN APARTMENT BUILDING AND ALMOST ALL OF THE RESIDENTS
IN THAT BUILDING WERE SENIOR LADIES. THEY WERE MOSTLY WIDOWS
LIVING ON THEIR OWN. THEY WERE LIVING ON ONE PENSION,
STRUGGLING AND PAYING A LARGE PART OF THEIR PENSIONS TO THE
RENT. YOU KNOW, IT WAS A FAIRLY NICE PLACE TO LIVE BUT THEY
WANTED TO BE ABLE TO STAY THERE BUT HAD CONCERNS. WE WERE ABLE
TO PUT THEM ALL IN TOUCH WITH RENT SUBSTANCE DID IS AND THAT
IS HELPING NOVA SCOTIANS. WE HAVE OVER 70 URBAN NATIVE
UNITS REPAIRED IN THE FIRST THREE YEARS AND FOUR NEW UNITS
ARE CONSTRUCTED. SO FOR A TOTAL, WE HAVE OVER 2300 RENT
SUPPLEMENTS, OVER 11,000 PUBLIC HOUSING UNITS, OVER 1300 CO-OP
NOT FOR PROFIT HOUSES, PLACES LIKE THE ELIZABETH FRY SOCIETY
AND THEIR WELL-KNOWN TRANSITION HOUSE OR ALICE HOUSE WHICH WE
ALL HEARD ABOUT FROM OUR FORMER LEAGUE AS A RESIDENCE WHERE
WOMEN AND CHILDREN RECEIVE SUPPORT AFTER SITUATIONS OF
ABUSE. SO THE PROJECTS BEING
ADMINISTERED BY THE NOVA SCOTIA HOUSING FALL UNDER CATEGORIES OF
GHG MITIGATION. IT’S A PORTION OF THE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE FUND
AND I WAS VERY HAPPY THAT WAS PART OF MY ROLE AS MINISTER OF
ENVIRONMENT TO BRING THAT. WE WERE LOOKING FOR WAYS WE COULD
MITIGATE GREENHOUSE GASES AND YET HELP NOVA SCOTIANS AS WELL.
THE DEPARTMENT. OF ENERGY AND MINES IS THE LEAD DEPARTMENT
UNDER ICP. THE GHG MITIGATION INVESTMENT WILL FOCUS ON THREE
TARGETS. SO IT’S ABOUT EMITTING SECTORS IN NOVA SCOTIA, THE
ELECTRICITY SECTOR, TRANSMISSION ANDING ABOUTS WITH, AND BE
GUIDED BY PROVINCIAL STRATEGIC PRIORITIES. THE PROJECTS ARE A
PORTION OF THE PROJECTS THAT THE PROVINCE IS ADVANCING AS PART OF
THE GHG MITIGATION PORTION. THAT IS JUST THE START OF THE
PROGRAM AND WE KNOW THERE IS MORE TO COME.
AS PART OF A 10-YEAR INVESTMENT PHASE, SOMEONE A 22 MILLION
PROJECT THAT WILL ENABLE HOUSING NOVA SCOTIA TO ACCELERATE AND
DEEPEN RETROFITS TO EXISTING PUBLIC HOUSING STOCK IN 112
BUILDINGS ACROSS THE PROVINCE. WHICH ARE ANTICIPATED TO REDUCE
OPERATING COSTS FOR THOSE BUILDINGS, IMPROVE COMFORT AND
CUT GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. THESE ARE ALL HELPING NOVA
SCOTIANS. THE HOUSING AND ITS CONTRIBUTION
WOULD BE 11 MILLION OVER FOUR YEARS WITH THE FEDERAL
CONTRIBUTION OF 11 MILLION PROVINCIAL AND ANOTHER
11 MILLION. SO SAYING ALL OF THAT, Mr.
SPEAKER, OCCASIONALLY AN OPPOSITION BILL DOES COME
FORWARD, COMES TO THE FLOOR THAT HAS MERIT —
The Speaker: ORDER. // THIS IS NOT ONE.
The Speaker: THE MEMBER HAS RUN OUT OF TIME. I RECOGNIZE
THE MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH SOUTH. // THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER.
AND I AM PLEASED TO GET UP TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS BILL WHICH I
THINK IS ACTUALLY A PRETTY GOOD BILL ALL IN ALL.
[ Some Applause ] OCCASIONALLY OPPOSITION BILLS
ARE TABLED IN THIS HOUSE THAT HAVE SOME MERIT. AND THIS
POSSIBLY COULD BE ONE OF THEM. Mr. SPEAKER, BEFORE I BEGIN MY
PREPARED NOTES, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AS I WAS PREPARING MY
LATE DEBATE — HOLD ON, FOLKS, ITS COMING UP — THAT I WAS
STRUCK AGAIN, ONCE AGAIN, BY THE SELF CONGRATULATIONER
CONGRATULATIONER TO TONE OF THIS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT AND WE
ARE IN A CRISIS. WE ARE IN AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS, Mr.
SPEAKER. I KNOW THE PEOPLE IN YOUR CONSTITUENCY, LETHBRIDGE,
ARE FACING A TERRIBLE — Mr. SPEAKER, ARE FACING A TERRIBLE
CRISIS. CERTAINLY THEY ARE IN MY CONSTITUENCY AND ALL OVER THE
PROVINCE. I HAVE HEARD FROM PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE
PROVINCE WHO CANNOT AFFORD A PLACE TO LIVE. YOU CAN TALK
ABOUT RENT SUPPLEMENTS UNTIL ONE IS BLUE IN THE FACE BUT IF THERE
ARE NOT LANDLORDS WHO ARE GOING TO ALLOW RENT SUPPLEMENTS TO BE
USED IN THEIR BUILDINGS, IF THERE ARE SIMPLY NO UNITS
AVAILABLE, THEN RENT SUPPLEMENTS DO ZERO GOOD.
// EXACTLY. // THEY ARE GREAT FOR THE PEOPLE
WHO HAVE THEM. // YES.
// BUT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING. SO, Mr. SPEAKER,
THIS GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO START LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL CRISIS AND
ACTUAL USABLE AND MEANINGFUL SOLUTIONS TO THE CRISIS. AND
ONE OF THOSE THINGS WOULD BE TO BUILD OR RENOVATE MORE SOCIAL
HOUSING STOCK. AND LET’S GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. ALLOW THERE
TO BE SUPPORT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THOSE UNITS. SO
AFFIRMATIVE VENTURES AS MY COLLEAGUE HAS ALREADY TALKED
ABOUT IS A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THIS. IT’S WORKING VERY WELL.
I WAS VERY HAPPY TO GO AND VISIT AFFIRMATIVE VENTURES LAST YEAR
TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE UNITS WHICH ARE BEAUTIFUL AND TO
UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO HAVE WRAP-AROUND SERVICES FOR
PEOPLE WHO ARE PRECARIOUSLY HOUSED AND SO I WANT TO GIVE A
SHOUTOUT AS WELL TO AFFIRMATIVE VENTURES AND TO DAVID HARRISON
WHO IS WORKING WITH THE GROUP ON THIS NEXT PHASE OF THEIR
DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS LEGISLATION DOES ROSE
THE NEED TO SUPPORT — DOES RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO SUPPORT
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I THINK LOWERING UTILITY BILLS IS A GOOD
WAY TO DO THAT. I THINK THAT THIS KIND OF RULE SHOULD APPLY
TO NOT FOR PROFIT HOUSING WIDELY, INCLUDING SUPPORTIVE
HOUSING AND CO-OP HOUSING. YOU KNOW, LET’S LOOK AT ALL THE
DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM THIS. THERE
ARE 3,057 HOUSEHOLDS IN THE FEDERAL RIDING OF DARTMOUTH COLE
HARBOUR WHO SPENT MORE THAN 50% OF THEIR INCOME ON RENT AND
UTILITIES AND IT’S CRUCIAL THAT WE WORK THAT EVERYONE PERSON HAS
ACCESS TO AN AFFORDABLE AND ADEQUATE AND THAT’S IMPORTANT,
ADEQUATE PLACE TO LIVE. WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO SUPPORT
ORGANIZATIONS LIKE AFFIRMATIVE VENTURES AND OTHER NOT FOR
PROFITS OR CO-OPS AND UTILITY COSTS CAN BE A PART OF THAT. OF
COURSE, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL NOVA SCOTIANS THAT
ELECTRICITY BILLS ARE AFFORDABLE. AND LET US TALK FOR
A MOMENT ABOUT ELECTRICITY BILLS. SO RATES, STABLE RATES
ARE GREAT, BUT IF WE ARE NOT LOWERING OUR BILLS, IS IT
DOESN’T REALLY MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. SO I WANT TO TALK A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT ENERGY POVERTY IN GENERAL. IT’S A REAL ISSUE
IN NOVA SCOTIA AND ENERGY POVERTY OCCURS WHEN PEOPLE HAVE
AN UNSUSTAINABLE ENERGY BURDEN AND CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY THEIR
ELECTRICITY BILLS. IF IT SPENDS MORE THAN 10% OF ITS INCOME ON
UTILITIES, THAT IS UTILITY POVERTY. ATLANTIC CANADA HAS
THE HIGHEST RATE ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 1 THEY% COMPARED TO
THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF 8%. AND OBVIOUSLY ELECTRICITY IS
ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY AND I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE UNIVERSALLY
ACCESSIBLE TO ALL PEOPLE. EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TOO
TURN ON THEIR LIGHTS AND STORE AND PREPARE THEIR FOOD AND HEAT
THEIR HOMES. AND MANY PEOPLE, Mr. SPEAKER, I KNOW YOU KNOW
THIS, MANY PEOPLE MAKE VERY TOUGH DECISIONS. THEY HAVE TO
CHOOSE BETWEEN WHETHER THEY PAY THEIR RENT OR THEY PAY THEIR
POWER BILL OR THEY BUY SOME FOOD OR THEY PAY THEIR MEDICATIONS SO
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO MAKE THESE
TOUGH DECISIONS AND FIGURE OUT WAYS OF MAKING THOSE DECISIONS
LESS TOUGH. INCOME INADEQUACY IS THE PRIMARY
REASON, OF COURSE, THAT PEOPLE ARE DISCONNECTED FROM THEIR
POWER. THEY CAN’T AFFORD TO PAY THEIR BILLS. THEY HAVE TO MAKE
TOUGH DECISIONS. THANK YOU. ARREARS BUILD UP VERY EASILY FOR
PEOPLE WHO HAVE INADEQUATE INCOMES. AND MANY PEOPLE IN THE
PROVINCE ARE, AS I SAID, FORCED TO MAKE DIFFICULT CHOICES. THE
PEOPLE IN MY OFFICE EVERY DAY COME IN WITH THIS ISSUE AND I’VE
ALREADY TALKED IN THIS HOUSE ABOUT POWER CUT-OFF SEASON WHEN,
YOU KNOW, THANK GOD THAT NOVA SCOTIA POWER DOESN’T CUT OFF
POWER IN THE MILL OF WINTER BUT COME WARMER DAYS, PEOPLE HAVE
ACCUMULATED ARREARS THROUGHOUT THE WINTER AND THROUGHOUT THE
YEAR AND THERE THEY ARE UNABLE TO, EVEN WITH, LIKE, ADVOCACY
AND HELP TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT A PAYMENT PLAN,
SOMETIMES IT’S JUST SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE.
SO OUR UTILITIES, ALL OF THEM, SHOULD BE GOVERNED WITH THE
UNDERLYING PRINCIPLE THAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO
ACCESS THEM. THE ABILITY TO ACCESS ENERGY EFFICIENCY RELATES
TO INCOME AS WELL AND I APPRECIATE WHAT MY COLLEAGUE
ACROSS THE FLOOR WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE GOVERNMENT’S
EFFICIENCY PROGRAM. I’VE ALREADY STOOD UP IN THIS HOUSE
AND TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THEM. I AM GOING
THROUGH ONE OF THEM RIGHT NOW. INSULATING MY HOME WHICH I HOPE
WILL REDUCE MY ENERGY BILLS. BUT IT’S SUPER EXPENSIVE TO PAY
FOR AT THAT WORK UP FRONT AND, OF COURSE, NOT EVERYONE CAN DO
THAT. I, IN FACT, AM, I KNOW, USING MY LINE OF CREDIT TO DO
IT. WE DON’T NEED TO GET INTO THAT. BUT, ANYHOW, I’M LUCKY
HAVE ACCESS TO A LYNN OF CREDIT. UPGRADING APPLIANCES AND
RETROFITTING HOMES CAN BE EXPENSIVE IN SPITE OF THE
EXCELLENT PROGRAMS WE ALREADY HAVE. WE NEED TO EXPAND THE
PROGRAMS EVEN MORE. WE NEED TO MAKE THEM TOTALLY ACCEPT TO
BELIEVE PEOPLE ON LOW INCOMES AND WE NEED TO HELP PEOPLE LOWER
THEIR ELECTRICITY BILLS. NOVA SCOTIANS WITH LOW INCOMES
OR FIXED INCOMES ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE HIGHER ELECTRICITY BILLS
BECAUSE THEY’RE LESS LIKELY TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE UP FRONT
COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ENERGY RETROFITS. WE NEED TO BE
GROWING, EXPANDING, AND ADDING TO THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND
RETROFIT PROGRAMS THAT ARE ALREADY AVAILABLE. WE NEED TO
MAKE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS IN ENERGY EFFICIENCY AND HOME
RETROFIT PROGRAMS THAT WOULD MEAN MORE MONEY SAVED FOR NOVA
SCOTIANS AND, OF COURSE, WE KNOW THAT ALL OF THIS WORK WOULD
PRODUCE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND I WILL REMIND THE HOUSE THAT
THE CURRENT GOALS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, THIS GOVERNMENT HAS IF
PLACE FOR REDUCING GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS ARE SIMPLY NO
LONGER ADEQUATE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IN OUR UPCOMING
LEGISLATION, THAT WE HAVE STRICKER AND MORE STRINGENT AND
TOTALLY ACCOMPLISHABLE GOALS IN PLACE AND THAT MEANS WE NEED TO
REDUCE OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BY 50% BELOW 1990
LEVELS AND WE NEED TO BE AT NET ZERO BY 2050. ENERGY
INEFFICIENCY IS A MASSIVE SOURCE OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND
IT IS A MASSIVE UNTAPPED SOURCE OF GREEN ENERGY JOBS. THE NEW
ECONOMY IS IN TRANSFORMING THE ECONOMY TO GREEN JOBS, Mr.
SPEAKER, AND THIS GOVERNMENT IS NOT SHOWING THE LEADERSHIP WE
NEED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN IN OUR PROVINCE.
THE INTERNATIONAL ENERGY ASSOCIATION ESTIMATES THAT
ENERGY EFFICIENCY ACCOUNTS FOR 49% OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS
AND THE REDUCTIONS — SORRY, THAT WE NEED TO STAY BELOW 2 OF
GLOBAL WARMING. 49%. AND A HALF THAT A LARGER PORTION THAN
RENEWABLE ENERGY OR CARBON CAPTURE. THIS IS WHERE WE NEED
TO PUT OUR ATTENTION RIGHT NOW. IN NOVA SCOTIA, IT COSTS AT
LEAST 6-CENTS TO GENERATE A KILOWATT HOUR USING THE CHEAPEST
FOSSIL FUEL BUT EFFICIENCY COSTS, JUST 3-CENTS TO SAVE A
KILOWATT HOUR. WE CAN SAVE THE AMOUNT OF ADDED CAPACITY TO
BUILD. SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE BILL AT HAND. WE NEED TO
SUPPORT EFFORTS TO ADEQUATELY AND AFFORDABLY HOUSE ALL NOVA
SCOTIANS AND LOWERING UTILITY COSTS TO ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE
ALREADY DOING THAT FINE WORK IS REALLY A GREAT PLACE TO DO IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [ Some Applause ] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR CUMBERLAND NORTH. // THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER, AND
I STAND TODAY IN SUPPORT OF MY COLLEAGUE IF DARTMOUTH EAST AND
ENCOURAGE ALL MEMBERS OF THIS HOUSE TO SUPPORT THE BILL AND
ASK TO AMEND CHAPTER 380 OF THE REVISED STATUTES, 1989, THE
PUBLIC UTILITIES BEING A REGARDING CHARITABLE HOUSING.
THIS BILL IS PART OF OFFERING A SOLUTION TO REMOVE RED TAPE AND
BARRIERS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST FOR BUILDERS AND CONTRACTORS AND
CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE MY COLLEAGUE SPOKE OF AND POSSIBLY
REMOVE SOME OF THE CAPITAL COSTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN BUILDING
AFFORDABLE HOUSING. ANY OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN TAKE TO
BE INNOVATIVE AND OFFER SOLUTIONS, WE MUST DO SO FOR THE
PEOPLE OF THIS PROVINCE. THAT’S OUR JOB. STATUS QUO IS NOT
ACCEPTABLE. AND AS I LISTENED TO MY COLLEAGUE ACROSS THE
FLOOR, I WAS THINKING OF THE REPORT AND HOW THE VERY FIRST
RECOMMENDATION IN THE REPORT SPOKE ABOUT TRUE LEADERSHIP AND
TRUE LEADERSHIP IS SETTING ASIDE PARTISAN POLITICS IN ORDER TO
SET POLICY THAT IS FOR THE GREATER GOOD. WE NEED TO DO
THAT. WE CAN NO LONGER AFFORD IN THIS PROVINCE TO MAKE
DECISIONS PAVED ON PARTY POLITICS. WE HAVE TO DO WHAT IS
RIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE. WE CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TO GO WITH OLD
WAYS. WE NEED TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT. THAT IS WHY PEOPLE
ELECTED US, Mr. SPEAKER. BUILDERS IN THIS PROVINCE WANT
TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEY’RE FACED EVERY YEAR WITH AN
INCREASE IN THEIR PROPERTY TAXES AND INCREASE IN THEIR SUPPLY, AN
INCREASE OF ELECTRICITY AND ENERGY RATES. IT IS GETTING
MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT FOR CONTRACTORS AND BUILDERS IF THIS
PROVINCE TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE NEED TO DO ALL THAT
WE CAN TO SUPPORT THOSE THAT ARE TRYING TO DO SO. AND THAT
INVOLVES UPDATING OUR LEGISLATION. THAT IS WHY WE ARE
HERE, TO UPDATE OUR LEGISLATION AND BE INNOVATIVE.
UNDER THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT, NOVA SCOTIA CONTINUES TO BE
AMONG THE WORST PERFORMING ECONOMY IN THE COUNTRY. WE
CONTINUE TO PAY THE HIGHEST TAXES IN THE COUNTRY AND A
DIRECT RESULT OF THAT, Mr. SPEAKER, IS WE HAVE THE HIGHEST
POVERTY RATES IN THE COUNTRY AND THIS WAS BROUGHT UP DURING
QUESTION PERIOD. OUR CURRENT APPROACH TO REDUCING PROFFERTY
AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS A HOME IS NOT WORKING. WE
HAVE THE HIGHEST POVERTY RATES IN CANADA, ESPECIALLY FOR
CHILDREN. 21.6% OF NOVA SCOTIA’S CHILDREN LIVE IN
POVERTY. 18 COMMUNITIES IN NOVA SCOTIA HAVE CHILD POVERTY RATES
OF MORE THAN 30%. AND 10 OF THOSE 18 COMMUNITIES ARE IN CAPE
BRETON. 37.4% OF ALL VISIBLE MINORITY CHILDREN ARE LIVING IN
POVERTY IN THIS PROVINCE. FIGHTING POVERTY IS NOT
RIGHT-WING, IT’S NOT LEFT-WING. IT’S ABOUTING TO THE RIGHT
THING. [ Some Applause ] MANY OF YOU KNOW IN THIS HOUSE
I’M A REGISTERED NURSE AND I KNOW THAT HOUSING AND LACK OF
HOUSING AFFECTS OUR HEALTH. IN FACT, IT’S NUMBER 3 IN THE
DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH SET OUT BY THE WORLD HEALTH
ORGANIZATION. ALSO, WHEN YOU THINK BACK TO YOUR STUDY DAYS A
BACK IN SCHOOL, YOU CAN THINK OF THE HIERARCHY OF NEEDS. IN THE
HIERARCHY OF NEEDS, THE MOST BASIC LEVEL IS PHYSIOLOGICAL.
THAT INCLUDES FOOD, WATER, AND SHELTER. IF SOMEONE — NOT HAVE
PROPER SHELTER, PROPER HOUSING, IT IS CONSIDERED THEIR MOST
BASIC MADE IT AND WILL DIRECTLY NEGATIVELY IMPACT THEIR HELP. WE KNOW THAT OFTEN
WITHOUT BEING SEEN BY A PSYCHIATRIST, WITHOUT GIVING A
PROPER DIAGNOSIS AND A PROPER TREATMENT, THIS LEADS TO
WORSENING MENTAL ILLNESS WHICH OFTEN LEADS TO HOMELESSNESS,
FAMILY BREAKDOWNS, AND DRUG ADDICTIONS. WE SEE THIS HERE IN
HALIFAX. WHEN I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, I LIKE TO WALK THE
STREETS AND WITH TALK TO THOSE THAT ARE STRUGGLING AND FIND OUT
THEIR STORY. EACH ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HOLDING OUT A
CUP FOR US TO GIVE THEM MONEY ARE SOMEONE’S SON OR DAUGHTER.
THEY ALL HAVE THEIR STORY. AND I LOVE TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT
WHAT GOT THEM TO WHERE THEY ARE TODAY AND THEY LOVE TO TELL —
THEY LOVE TO TALK. THEY WANT THEIR STORY TO BE HEARD AND THEY
WANT HELP. WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. I
FIND THAT IT’S MORE VISIBLE SOMETIMES IN THE CITY, BUT WE
HAVE THE SAME CHALLENGES IN RURAL NOVA SCOTIA, BUT SOMETIMES
IT’S MORE — IT’S NOT AS VISIBLE. WE HAVE A HOMELESSNESS
PROBLEM IN CUMBERLAND COUNTY. ONE OF THE AMAZING WORKERS THAT
I WORK WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS ALISON LAUREN. SHE’S OUR
HOMELESSNESS COORDINATOR AND MY STAFF AND I RELY ON HER HEAVILY
AS WE SEE MANY PEOPLE EVERY WEEK COMING INTO YOUR COMMUNITY,
TRANSIENTS, THAT NEED SHELTER. AND THANKFULLY, I ALSO HAVE A
NICE COMMUNITY GROUP THAT ARE WORKING TOWARDS BUILDING A
SHELTER IN OUR COMMUNITY. PEOPLE LIKE AFFIRMATIVE
VENTURES. LET’S BE HONEST. WE ALL KNOW
THERE ARE PEOPLE IN EACH ONE OF OUR AREAS THAT HAVE NO SHELTER,
THAT HAVE NO BED TO LIE ON. RECENTLY WITH HURRICANE DORIAN
ON THE SUNDAY MORNING A WEEK AFTER, A I GOT A PHONE CALL —
ACTUALLY, IT WAS A PRIVATE MEANT THROUGH FACEBOOK ONE MORNING
AROUND 7:00 BE FROM A MAN WHO ASKED IF I KNEW OF ANYBODY THAT
NEEDED FOOD. AND AFTER I GOT HIS PHONE NUMBER, I CALLED HIM
BECAUSE I REALLY WASN’T SURE WHAT HIS MESSAGE WAS. HE SAID
ELIZABETH, I’M A NOVA SCOTIA POWER WORKER AND THE COMPANY HAS
BEEN FEEDING US ALL WEEK, BRINGING US A LOT OF FOOD AND
NOW WE HAVE ALMOST ALL THE REPAIRS DONE BUT YET WE HAVE ALL
THIS FOOD LEFT OVER THIS MORNING AND WE DON’T WANT TO THROW IT IN
THE GARBAGE. I SAID I’LL BE RIGHT THERE AND I CAME AND I GOT
THIS FOOD. AND I TROPHY AROUND OUR COMMUNITY AND FOUND PEOPLE
THAT WERE HUNG BRING IT. AND IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST HUMBLING
EXPERIENCES. I MET A MAN WHO IS LIVING IN HOME WHERE THERE’S
NO RUNNING WATER, NO TOILETS WHO IS ADDICTED TO DRUGS. I HAD
OVER 100 BREAKFAST SANDWICHES AND IT’S VERY EYE OPENING AND I
ENCOURAGE EVERY ONE OF US TO GET OUT INTO OUR COMMUNITIES, GO TO
THE AREAS, WHERE PEOPLE ARE STRUGGLING THE MOST AND REALLY
GET TO KNOW HOW WE CAN HELP THESE PEOPLE. AND ONE OF THE
WAYS WE CAN HELP THESE PEOPLE IS BY ENSURING THEY HAVE
HEADLIGHTER AND THEY HAVE A HOME. AND THIS BILL THAT MY
COLLEAGUE HAS PUT FORTH PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BUILDERS AND
CONTRACTORS HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IF WE CAN INTRODUCE
THIS BILL. IT’S TIME FOR US TO TAKE THE
BLINDERS OFF. IT’S TIME FOR US TO SEE WHERE REAL CHANGE IS
NEEDED. AND I BELIEVE WE CAN DO THAT. I KNOW IN THE PC CAUCUS,
MY COLLEAGUES AND I AND I’M SURE YOU’RE THE SAME, WE CARE. WE
CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN THIS PROVINCE IN URBAN NOVA SCOTIA,
IN RURAL NOVA SCOTIA, AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO GET ACCESS TO THE
BAKE CARES THAT THEY NEED EVERY DAY. WE WANT TO LIFT PEOPLE UP
OUT OF POVERTY. WE WANT PEOPLE TO EXCEL. YOU KNOW, AS A
SEAT, WE’RE ONLY AS STRONG AS THE PERSON THAT’S STRUGGLING THE
MOST. AND WHEN WE SEE SOMEONE IN NEED, WE NEED TO DO
EVERYTHING WE CAN TO END POWER AND BUILD THAT PERSON UP. WE
MUST REMOVE THE BARRIERS FOR OUR ENTREPRENEURS AND COMMUNITY
GROUPS LIKE AFFIRMATIVE VENTURES THAT ARE TRYING, TRYING TO DO
BETTER AND BUILD UP OUR COMMUNITIES AND MAKE
IMPROVEMENTS WE NEED TO STRIVE TO BUILD UP EVERY CITIZEN, Mr.
SPEAKER, SO THEY CAN BE THE BEST THAT THEY CAN BE. AND THAT
TOGETHER WE CAN HAVE A BETTER PROVINCE TO LIVE IN FOR EVERY
CITIZEN IN THIS PROVINCE. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO READ THE
REPORT AND TAKE SOME TIME TO REFLECT ON WHAT REAL LEADERSHIP
IS. REAL LEADERSHIP IS NOT VOTING ALONG PARTY LINES. IT’S
VOTING FOR WHAT IS BEST AND I BELIEVE THAT THE BILL THAT MY
COLLEAGUE HAS PUT FORTH TODAY IS INNOVATIVE, IT’S PART OF A
SOLUTION THAT WE CAN FIND WAYS TO PROVIDE MORE HOUSING FOR
THOSE IN THIS PROVINCE. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER.
[ Some Applause ] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
HOUSE LEADER FOR THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
// Mr. SPEAKER, THAT INCLUDE AN INSIGHTFUL DAY OF MEMBER’S
BUSINESS. I WILL NOW TURN THE REINS OVER TO THE GOVERNMENT
HOUSE LEADER. // THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER,
INSIGHTFUL, INDEED. THAT CONCLUDES THE GOVERNMENT
BUSINESS FOR TODAY. I MOVE THE HOUSE NOW RISE TO MEET AGAIN
TOMORROW, THURSDAY, OCTOBER 10th, 2019, BETWEEN
THE HOURS OF 1 p.m. AND 6 p.m. FOLLOWING THE DAILY
ROUTINE AND QP, BUSINESS WILL INCLUDE BILL 183, SECOND READING
ON 180 AND 187, AND IF TIME PERMITS, COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE
HOUSE ON BILLS FOR 152, 160, 163, 166, AND WITH 170. The Speaker: THE MOTION IS TO
PRIZE TOMORROW BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 1 p.m. AND 6 p.m. WILL
ALL THOSE IN FAVOUR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE. THE MOTION IS
CARRIED. THE HOUSE NOW STANDS ADJOURNED AND JUST BEFORE WE GO,
WE HAVE LATE DEBATE AS SUBMITTED BY THE HONOURABLE LEADER OF THE
OFFICIAL OPPOSITION, THE MLA FOR PICTOU WEST. THEREFORE BE IT
RESOLVED THAT THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT HAS FAILED TO
PROPERLY MANAGE THE FERRY CONTRACT CAUSING THE LOSS OF THE
2019 SAILING SEASON. CREATING HARDSHIP FOR TOURISM OPERATORS
AND COSTING THE PROVINCE $19.9 MILLION. THE HONOURABLE
LEADER OF THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION.
[ Some Applause ] // THANK YOU. THANK YOU, Mr.
SPEAKER. IT’S WITH GREAT DISAPPOINTMENT TO RISE AND SPEAK
ABOUT WHAT’S HAPPENED WITH THIS FERRY SITUATION. CERTAINLY OVER
THE LAST FEW YEARS, BUT DEFINITELY IN THIS YEAR WHERE
GROSS MISMANAGEMENT OF THE CONTRACT, OF THE ARRANGEMENT HAS
LED TO THE LOSS OF THE ENTIRE SEASON. Mr. SPEAKER, THERE
HAS NOT BEEN ONE CROSSING THAT BROUGHT TOURISTS TO NOVA SCOTIA
THIS YEAR. AND DESPITE THE FACT AT THAT THERE’S NOT BEEN ONE
CROSSING, THE TAX PAYERS OF THIS PROVINCE HAVE PAID $20 MILLION
TO THE OPERATOR. SO THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT CAN BE DESCRIBED
IS A GROSS MISMANAGEMENT OF THE SITUATION. THIS PROVINCE,
THERE’S A LOT THAT YOU’RE TOURISM INDUSTRY COULD DO WITH
$20 MILLION. SO, Mr. SPEAKER, IT IS A SITUATION WHERE IN THIS
CAUCUS, AS MY COLLEAGUE FROM SACKVILLE COBEQUID ELOQUENTLY
SUMMED UP, FERRY, YES, MISMANAGEMENT, NO. THIS IS NOT
A PROVINCE — WE DON’T HAVE ROOM IN THIS PROVINCE FOR
MISMANAGEMENT. CERTAINLY NOT MISMANAGEMENT OF THIS SCALE.
TOURISM IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO THIS PROVINCE. IT’S AN
INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS PROVINCE AND BE WHEN I HAD THINK
ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TOO OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THE MOST
SIGNIFICANT AMBASSADOR FOR THIS PROVINCE, SOME OF THE BEST
PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL FOR THIS PROVINCE COMES FROM THE FILM
INDUSTRY. AND THAT’S ALSO ON INDUSTRY THAT HAS BEEN UNDER
EVENT IS BY THIS GOVERNMENT WHERE THIS GOVERNMENT SAID,
LOOK, THE SUBSIDIES TO THE FILM INDUSTRY, $25 MILLION, WAY, WAY,
WAY TOO MUCH, NOT DOING THAT, CUTTING THAT. AND THEN ON THE
OTHER HAND, HERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW AS A RESULT OF THEIR
MISMANAGEMENT, AS A RESULT OF THEIR LACK OF VISION, AS A
RESULT OF THEIR JUST BASIC DISCONNECTEDNESS WITH THE
BUSINESS WORLD, WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE ZERO TOURISTS
HAVE COME TO NOVA SCOTIA THIS YEAR ON THE FERRY.
WHEN WE RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FERRY, WHEN WE RAISE
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE QEII, WHEN WE RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
CRANE, WHEN WE RAISE QUESTIONS CAN OF THIS GOVERNMENT, THEIR
LACK OF CONFIDENCE SHOWS. AND THEIR LACK OF CONFIDENCE SHOWS
THROUGH AND THEIR LACK OF CONFIDENCE IN THEIR OWN
DECISIONS COMES THROUGH WHEN A MASSIVE ATTACK SITUATION.
WHEN WE ASK QUESTIONS, WE’RE PERCEIVED AS NEGATIVE, WHEN
THEY’RE JUST QUESTIONS. WE’VE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS
FERRY FOR FOUR YEARS. THE CONTRACT WAS NEVER A GOOD
CONTRACT. IT WAS NEVER A CONTRACT UNDER WHICH NOVA SCOTIA
WOULD WIN UNDER. JUST WASN’T GOING TO HAPPEN. AND NOW,
SADLY, THAT PROPHECY IS COMING TRUE. AND NOVA SCOTIA IS NOT
WINNING. THEY’RE LOSING ON THIS SITUATION 20 MILLION TIMES OVER
JUST THIS YEAR. AND THE GOVERNMENT — THIS GOVERNMENT
LOST SIGHT OF THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR TOURISM INDUSTRY WHEN THEY
TURNED THE PAGE AND FOCUSED PURELY ON POLITICAL RHETORIC.
THEY LOST SIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WHAT REALLY MATTERED WAS
INVESTING TAXPAYER MONEY IN GROWING OUR TOURISM INDUSTRY AND
THEY’VE TOTALLY GIVEN UP ON THAT. THEY’VE TOTALLY FOCUSED
ON THE POLITICS OF IT. BUT THE POLITICS OF THIS SITUATION NEVER
SUPPORTED THE RHETORIC. THIS FERRY, THE OFFICER FRIDAY
YARMOUTH TO THE UNITED STATES, HAS ONLY EVER BEEN SUCCESSFUL
UNDER PC GOVERNMENTS. IT’S ONLY PC GOVERNMENTS.
[ Some Applause ] AND I WOULD PUT THE RECORD OF
THE PC GOVERNMENT IN A ESTABLISHING A RELIABLE,
SUSTAINABLE, PRODUCTIVE LINK, I WOULD PUT THE RECORD OF THE PC
GOVERNMENT AGAINST ANY GOVERNMENT AND IT WOULDN’T EVEN
BE A FAIR MATCH, Mr. SPEAKER. IN 2002 UNDER A PC GOVERNMENT,
WOULD YOU CARE TO TAKE A GUESS, Mr. SPEAKER, HOW MANY TOURISTS
TRAVELLED ON THE FERRY RUN BY THE PC GOVERNMENT IN 2002? IT’S
NOT 100,000, APPROXIMATE, ITS NOT 200,000. Mr. SPEAKER,
IT’S NOT EVEN 300,000. I THINK MOST MEMBERS OF THIS CHAMBER
WOULD BE SURPRISED TO REALIZE THAT 330,000 PEOPLE TRAVELLED ON
THE FERRY WHEN THE PC GOVERNMENT OPERATED IT.
[ Some Applause ] NOW, THAT’S NOT 330,000 TIMES
MORE THAN THE LIBERALS WILL DELIVER THIS YEAR BECAUSE
ANYTHING TIMES ZERO IS STILL ZERO, Mr. SPEAKER. IT’S A
LOT, LOT MORE AND THIS GOVERNMENT COULD ONLY DREAM OF
HAVING A FERRY AS SUCCESSFUL. AS THIS GOVERNMENT KNOWS CAN
HAPPEN. THE PC GOVERNMENT KNOWS WHAT’S POSSIBLE. WE ARE WELL
BEYOND PLANNING TO A PODIUM. WE ARE TOTALLY FOCUSED ON GETTING
RESULTS FOR TAXPAYERS. AND, Mr. SPEAKER, I CAN TALK ABOUT
THE INVEST AMS IN THE FERRY OVER THE YEARS UNDER THE PC
GOVERNMENT IN 2006. A MILLION BUCKS. A MILLION BUCKS. THAT’S
WHAT WAS INVESTED IN THE FERRY. IN 2009, THAT WAS UP TO
$8.9 MILLION. WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AFTER 2009. BUT, Mr.
SPEAKER, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF RETURNING TO REALITY MIGHT BE IN
ORDER AND THE REALTY IS THAT WHILE PC GOVERNMENTS OPERATED
FERRIES THAT BROUGHT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TO THIS
PROVINCE FOR A FRACTION OF THE PRICE, THIS GOVERNMENT HAS
BROUGHT ZERO THIS YEAR FOR $20 MILLION. AND I DON’T
KNOW — I DON’T KNOW A NOVA SCOTIAN THAT’S NOT SITTING IN
THE LIBERAL CAUCUS THAT THINKS THAT’S A GOOD THING. THERE’S
NOBODY. THAT’S A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE SITUATION. AND LAST
YEAR MIGHT HAVE BEEN THEIR MOST SUCCESSFUL. THAT MIGHT HAVE
BEEN THEIR MOST SUCCESSFUL, Mr. SPEAKER, AND BY THEIR
STANDARDS, FROM THE OTHER YEARS, IT PROBABLY WAS A SUCCESS. I
DON’T THINK THEY CAN DO MUCH BETTER. THEY HAD 41,000 PEOPLE
ON THE FERRY LAST YEAR. AND THE PRICE — AGAIN, $20 MILLION IS
KIND OF WHAT THEY SPEND. THEY DON’T NEED A RESULT FOR IT.
SO, Mr. SPEAKER, I WILL PUT THE RECORD OF THE PC GOVERNMENT
AGAINST THIS GOVERNMENT ANY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK AND —
[ Some Applause ] AND THE MISMANAGEMENT OF THE
COMFORT CAN ONLY SIT AT THE FEET OF THIS GOVERNMENT. I KNOW THEY
HAD A LOT OF STRONG WORDS OF THE NDP’S ABILITIES WITH THE
CONTRACT THAT THE NDP NEGOTIATED. I THINK MOST PEOPLE
WILL REMEMBER THIS WONDERFUL IMAGE OF MULTIPLE LIBERAL
CABINET MINISTERS STANDING ON THE WHARF SAYING THEY RIPPED UP
THAT TERRIBLE NDP CONTRACT AND THEY’VE SAVED THE DAY WITH THIS
NEW ONE WONDERFUL CONTRACT THAT WE NOW THROUGH THE FULLNESS OF
TIME KNOW WAS A WONDERFUL CONTRACT THAT THE OPERATOR GETS
PAID FOR DOING NOTHING. AND NOT ONLY THAT, Mr. SPEAKER, NOT A
SINGLE PERSON HAS TRAVELLED ON THIS, SO WE KNOW THE DECISIONS
AROUND THE TIMING TO MOVE FROM PORTLAND, OF COURSE, WHEN AT THE
MOVED FROM PORTLAND AND BARR HARBOUR, THEY SAID, WELL,
PORTLAND WAS NEVER A GOOD IDEA, ANYWAY, BUT WHY DID THEY DO IT
IN THE FIRST PLACE, Mr. SPEAKER. AND THE THEN THEY
MOVED TO BARR HARBOUR AND THE TIMING OF THAT HAD US LOSE AN
ENTIRE YEAR. THE CUSTOMS AGENCY HAS SAID WE COULD HAVE STAYED
ANOTHER YEAR BUT THEY DIDN’T HAVE THE FORESIGHT TO UNDERSTAND
AND THEY DIDN’T ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THAT MOVING TOURISTS
WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS FERRY. THEY BELIEVE THAT
TRYING TO UNDER MINE POLITICAL OPPONENTS THAT ASK QUESTIONS IS
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING AND THERE’S A STRONG, STRONG
DISCONNECT AND THE REASON FOR THEIR FAILURE IS BECAUSE THEY
DON’T UNDERSTAND THAT IT’S ABOUT NOVA SCOTIA. IT’S ABOUT
MANAGING TAXPAYER MONEY TO GET THE ULTIMATE RETURN. THAT’S
WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. AND IF ANY MEMBER OPPOSITE STANDS UP AND
SAYS THAT $20 MILLION FOR THIS SEASON WAS A GOOD INVESTMENT,
THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW HARD NOVA SCOTIANS WORK FOR THEIR TAX
MONEY. AND THE FALL-OUT WITH THE CONTRACT IS EVIDENT
ANYWHERE. BUT IT’S ONLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG AND THE MISTAKES.
NO FEDERAL MONEY FOR THIS. THEY NEVER ASKED FOR FEDERAL MONEY
WHEN THEY HAD THEIR LIBERAL COUSINS IN A MAJORITY GOVERNMENT
THERE. THEY NEVER THOUGHT TO DO THAT. DON’T HAVE A VESSEL AFTER
THIS YEAR, Mr. SPEAKER, AND THE PREMIER SAID HE IS TOTALLY
CONFIDENT THAT THEY’LL HAVE THE SAME VESSEL NEXT YEAR. WE KNOW
THAT THE U.S. NAVY IS RETENDERRING IT. ANY GUESSES
WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO THE PRICE ON THAT TENDER WHEN THEIR ONLY
CUSTOMER SAYS WE’LL PAY WHATEVER YOU WANT? THIS IS A SITUATION
THAT HAS BEEN MISMANAGED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING BY A
GOVERNMENT THAT DOESN’T UNDERSTAND BUSINESS. NO VOTE
FOR NEXT YEAR. WHO KNOWS WHAT PORT WE’LL TRY NEXT YEAR, Mr.
SPEAKER, BECAUSE THIS ONE’S NOT READY. MAYBE WE’LL TRY ANOTHER
WITH 10 OR 12 MILLION BUCKS OF TAXPAYER MONEY. BUT THE REAL
IMPACT ON THIS AND THE REAL SHAME OF THIS IS ON NOVA
SCOTIANS AND IT’S ON TOURISM OPERATORS AND IT’S PEOPLE THAT I
HAD SPEAK TO FROM THAT REGION WHO ARE PAYING A PRICE FOR THIS
GOVERNMENT’S MISMANAGEMENT AND THEY’LL FIND A LITANY OF PEOPLE
TO BLAME BUT ONCE THEY’RE READY TO ACCEPT WHAT HAPPENED, I CAN
HAND THEM A MIRROR BECAUSE THAT’S WHERE THEY SHOULD BE
LACKING. THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER.
The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR DARTMOUTH NORTH.
// THANK YOU, Mr. SPEAKER. I WOULDN’T SAY THAT I OFTEN AGREE
WITH THE LEADER OF THE PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE PARTY,
BUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, I AGREE WITH CERTAIN THINGS THAT
HE SAYS AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AGREE WITH IS THAT THIS
FERRY FEEL IS A BIT OF A MESS. AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
SUFFERING THE MOST ARE THE PEOPLE IN YARMOUTH AND THE
TOURISM OPERATORS WHO ARE NOT HAVING ANY BUSINESS AFTER
WAITING ALL SUMMER ON TENDER HOOKS WAITING TO SEE IF THAT
BOAT WOULD EVER SAIL. SO THE WORK ON THIS FILE IS A
MESS. THE GOVERNMENT HAS KEPT INFORMATION, VERY IMPORTANT
INFORMATION ABOUT THE MANAGEMENT OF THIS FERRY SERVICE SECRET AND
THIS IS SOMETHING WE’VE BEEN SEEING OVER THE LAST SEVERAL
MONTHS ON A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT FILES, Mr. SPEAKER. THE FERRY
HAS BEEN KEPT SECRET. WE DON’T KNOW ABOUT THAT MANAGEMENT
AGREEMENT BETWEEN — WITH THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY. WE DON’T
KNOW ABOUT THE DELOITTE REPORT, WE CAN’T HAVE ACCESS TO THE
DELOITTE REPORT WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE REASONING FOR BUILDING
P3 HOSPITALS. WE DON’T KNOW ABOUT THE — OR WE CAN’T SEE
RFPs OR VALUE FOR MONEY REPORTS ON ANY OF THE OTHER
PROPOSAL BUILD P3 INFORMATION. AND THE GOVERNMENT SAYS IF THEY
OFFER UP ANY OF THIS INFORMATION, THEN SOMEHOW IT
WILL BE BAD FOR BUSINESS FOR NOVA SCOTIA. WHEN, IN FACT, WE
KNOW FROM ALL KINDS OF OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND WHEN THIS KIND
OF INFORMATION IS RELEASED, IT DOESN’T HARM BUSINESS. IT
DOESN’T STOP PEOPLE FROM — OR COMPANIES FROM BIDDING ON
BUSINESS IN NOVA SCOTIA OR IN THE PROVINCE WHERE THEY DO
RELEASE THE INFORMATION. IT’S JUST A FALSE — IT’S A FALSE —
// NAIVETIVE. // I CAN’T HEAR WHAT YOU’RE
SAYING. IT’S A FALSE NARRATIVE. THANK YOU! AND IT’S INTERESTING
BECAUSE THE PREMIER IN 2012 WHEN THE PREMIER WAS THE LEADER OF
THE LIBERALS, HE TABLED LEGISLATION ABOUT THIS KIND OF
VERY THING SO I JUST WANTED TO READ FROM A — READ A QUOTE FROM
THE A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE FROM WHEN THE LEGISLATION WAS TABLED
BACK IN 2012. THE PREMIER SAID THIS. OUR LEGISLATION WILL LET
ANY NOVA SCOTIAN DEMAND THE DETAILS OF AN ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE PACKAGE ENTERED INTO WITH THE PROVINCE.
THE COMPANY AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE TO GIVE THE AGREEMENT,
ITS TERMS, AND THE COMPANY WILL HAVE TO SHOW HOW EFFECTIVELY IT
IS MEETING THE TERMS AND THE TARGETS SET OUT IN THE
AGREEMENT, END QUOTE. AND I WILL TABLE THAT ARTICLE WHEN I
HAD GET IT OFF MY PHONE. BUT IT’S A FASCINATING TURN OF
EVENTS HOW MUCH CAN CHANGE FROM 2012 TO 2019.
// SO MUCH FOR TRANSPARENCY I CAN’T, SOMEHOW, SOMEWHERE, WE’VE
LOST SIGHT OF BEING ALLOWING THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT THE HECK IS
GOING ON. AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ABOUT THE PUBLIC
ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE. WELL, GUESS WHAT, THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
COMMITTEE CAN’T GET ANY ANSWERS EITHER. SO EVEN WITH OUR SORT
OF LIMITED SCOPE NOW IN THE PUBLIC ACCOUNTS COMMITTEE, WE
HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE CERTAIN DEPUTY MINISTERS COME TO
THE COMMITTEE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AND GUESS
WHAT, THEY WANT ANSWER THE QUESTION WHEN THEY’RE WITNESSES
AT THE COMMITTEE. SO WE HAVE A REAL ISSUE. WE CAN’T REALLY
TELL WHAT’S GOING ON, WHAT HAD THE PROBLEMS ARE, BECAUSE NO
INFORMATION IS BEING RELEASED AND TO ME, THAT SEEMS TO BE AT
THE HEART OF A LOT OF THIS. SINCE 2015, THOUGH, GETTING BACK
TO THE ACTUAL ISSUE AT HAND, THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT HAS HAD 11
LIBERAL MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS WITH WHICH
THEY COULD — WHOM THEY COULD LOBBY, WHOM THEY COULD WORK WITH
AS COUNTERPARTS TO TRY TO SECURE FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THE FERRY IN
NOVA SCOTIA. AND TO DATE, WITH ALL OF THOSE 11 LIBERAL MPs IN
THE HOUSE OF COMMONS, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SECURE FEDERAL
FUNDING FOR THIS INTERNATIONAL FERRY ROUTE WHICH COULD REALLY
HELP THE WHOLE SITUATION. THIS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE
FEDERAL LIBERALS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THE
IMPORTANCE OF THE FERRY TO REGIONAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO INSTEAD OF SHOWING LEADERSHIP ON THIS FILE, THIS GOVERNMENT
HAS BUNGLED IT. THEY’VE KEPT THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS
OWNERS OF YARMOUTH ON THE LINE ALL SEASON, PROMISING THAT THE
FERRY WOULD SAIL. THEY’VE DISAPPOINTED AMERICAN TOURISTS
WHO WERE PLANNING TO MAKE A TRIP TO NOVA SCOTIA BUT THEY’VE
CANCELED THEIR TRIP BECAUSE NO FERRY SERVICE HAS BEEN
AVAILABLE. I THINK IT IS SAFE TO SAY, Mr. SPEAKER, THAT THE
OXFORD SINK HOLE HAS BROUGHT MORE TOURISTS TO NOVA SCOTIA
THIS SUMMER THAN THE FERRY. [ Some Applause ]
SO, BUT SERIOUSLY, WELL, IT IS TRUE. I MEAN, BUT SERIOUSLY, I
DON’T WANT TO MAKE LIGHT OF IT, BECAUSE IT’S A VERY SERIOUS
SITUATION. IT’S A VERY SITUATION SITUATION FOR THE
TOURISM OPERATORS AND THE PEOPLE OF YARMOUTH WHO WERE DEPENDING
ON THE ECONOMIC IMPACT. THEY’VE OFFERED NO COMPETITION TO THE
PEOPLE OF YARMOUTH OR THOSE TOURISM OPERATORS FOR THIS DELAY
IN SERVICE, DELAY IN SERVICE. IT’S FUNNY TO KEEP CALLING IT A
DELAY. THIS NONSERVICE. I WILL REITERATE AGAIN THAT THIS
GOVERNMENT IS A GOVERNMENT THAT LOVES TO CONGRATULATE ITSELF ON
ITS EXCELLENT PROGRESS ON SO MANY FILES. THEY — THIS
GOVERNMENT LIKES TO DEFEND ITSELF. BUT IT SHOWS JUST HOW
OUT OF TOUCH OUT OF THIS — ALL OF THIS STUFF SHOWS JUST HOW OUT
OF TOUCH THIS GOVERNMENT IS. EVEN IF THERE’S A PROBLEM
STARING THEM IN THE FACE. AND THIS FAILURE TO RECOGNIZE MAJOR
PROBLEMS IS A RECURRING ISSUE AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT I DO
BELIEVE IT CONTRIBUTES TO THE GENERAL — THE POPULATION’S
DISSATISFACTION WITH POLITICIANS AND POLITICS IN GENERAL. I
THINK WHEN WE DON’T GET ANY ANSWERS FROM OUR GOVERNMENTS AND
OUR LEADERS AND WE DON’T GET ANY EXPLANATIONS BUT WHAT WE GET IS
STANDING OVATIONS AND SELF CONGRATULATORY SLAPS ON THEIR
BACK, PEOPLE ARE VERY DISILLUSIONED WITH POLITICS
RIGHT NOW. IT’S NOT FOR LACK OF TRYING TO MOVE THE CONVERSATION
FORWARD FROM THIS SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THIS GOVERNMENT’S HANDLING OF THE FERRY ISSUE IS NOT UNLIKE
THEIR HANDLING OF THE HEALTH CARE CRISIS. SENIORS STRANDED
IN HOSPITAL BEDS AND EVERYONE STRUGGLING TO FIND ACCESS TO
PRIMARY CARE THROUGH A FAMILY DOCTOR OR NURSE PRACTITIONER,
THIS GOVERNMENT REFUSES TO ADMIT THERE IS A CRISIS. THIS
GOVERNMENT’S HANDLING OF THE OFFICER I HAVE NOT UNLAKE THE
HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE’VE ALREADY SPOKEN ABOUT TODAY IN
THE HOUSE. AS PEOPLE SEARCH FOR HOUSING, THEY’RE FACING A
PERFECT STORM OF EXPLODING SHORT-TERM RENTAL MARKET AND THE
CONSEQUENCES OF A GENERATION OF DEPRIVATION OF OUR PUBLIC
AFFORDABLE HOUSING STOCK. THIS LIBERAL GOVERNMENT HAS
CELEBRATED THEIR TOTALLY INADEQUATE RESPONSE, BEHAVING AS
THOUGH THERE IS NO HOUSING CRISIS AT ALL. AND Mr.
SPEAKER, THE PEOPLE OF NOVA SCOTIA DESERVE BETTER THAN A
GOVERNMENT THAT PRETENDS THAT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG AND THAT
REFUSES TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES. EVEN IF IT’S THEIR
FAULT. THE PEOPLE OF NOVA SCOTIA DESERVE A GOVERNMENT THAT
TAKES RESPONSIBILITY AND TAKES ACTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[ Some Applause ] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR YARMOUTH. // THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, Mr. SPEAKER. VERY HAPPY TO STAND AND DISCUSS THIS ISSUE
THAT’S GRAVELY IMPORTANT TO TOURISM OPERATORS ACROSS THIS
PROVINCE AND PARTICULARLY IN SOUTHWEST NOVA. ARE I WANT TO
BEGIN BY — I WANT TO BEGIN BY OF COURSE AT THATTING OUR
PREMIER AND THE CURRENT MINISTER OF TRANSPORTATION AND THE FORMER
TWO MINISTERS OF TRANSMISSION THAT WERE STEWARTS STEWARDS ON
THIS FILE. Mr. SPEAKER, THIS HAS BEEN A
TOUGH SUMMER FOR YARMOUTH, WITHOUT QUESTION. AND WE’RE
SEEING THAT REFLECT IN THE NUMBERS. YARMOUTH AND ACADIAN
SHORES IN THE PREVIOUSOUTS THREE YEARS OF THAT FERRY RUNNING WERE
LEADING THE PROVINCE IN INCREASED ROOM BOOKINGS. THINGS
WERE GOING REALLY WELL. THIS YEAR, WE RAN INTO SOME REAL
TROUBLE FOR THREE KEY REASONS. ONE, ENHANCE THE BORDER SECURITY
PROTOCOL AND EXPECTATIONS ON THE U.S. SIDE OF THE BORDER. AND
ANYONE WHO HAS PAID ATTENTION TO THE NEWS AND SEES WHAT’S
HAPPENING IN THE U.S. AROUND BORDER SECURITY, THE DIRECT
THAT’S COMING FROM THE WHITE HOUSE ON BORDER SECURITY, AND
WHAT’S HAPPENING ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THAT
IS AFFECTING OUR SITUATION RIGHT NOW WITH OUR BORDER.
TWO, WE HAD A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN THAT PREVENTED US FROM
GETTING THREW THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS TO BUILD OUR BUILDING,
WHICH WAS UNFORTUNATE. AND THREE, THERE WAS A VERY REAL
SITUATION IN PORTLAND THAT WAS CREATING A LONG-TERM CONCERN.
PORTLAND WANTED TO LEASE HALF THE LAND BACK FOR PARKING, AND
PROCESSING CUSTOMS AND THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO
KEEP THAT LAND IN THE FUTURE. FURTHERMORE, WE WOULD STILL HAVE
TO BUILD A CERTIFIED BORDER SECURITY BUILDING, THE SAME
WE’RE DOING IN BARR HARBOUR, IN PORTLAND, Mr. SPEAKER. AND I
KNOW THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION WILL BLAME THIS ON
GOVERNMENT MANAGEMENT, BUT I HAVE YET TO SEE AN ARGUMENT BY
HIM TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE WOULD DO DIFFERENTLY WHEN FACED WITH
THESE THREE CHALLENGES THAT HAVE PROVED TO BE FAIRLY
INSURMOUNTABLE. WE HAVE NOT HEARD AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN, Mr.
SPEAKER. IT’S BEEN A HOT POLITICAL
POTATO. SINCE 2009 WHEN THE NDP CUT THE SERVICE, WE MADE IT A
POLITICAL ISSUE. WE BROUGHT IT BACK. AND THE FACT THAT IT HAS
REMAINED A POLITICAL HOT POTATO HAS RESULTED IN A FEW NEGATIVE
THINGS FOR THE TOURISM INDUSTRY. IT’S NOT BECOMING NORMALIZED
QUOTE. PEOPLE AREN’T ACCEPTING THE FACT THAT IS A VIABLE
SERVICE AND A HALF IT NEEDS TO RUN. AND I THINK A BIG PART OF
THAT IN RECENT YEARS, IN THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS HAS BEEN
BECAUSE OF THE CONSERVATIVE POSITION ON THIS FERRY SERVICE.
EVEN IN THE YEARS WHEN THIS WAS RUNNING DOING WELL AND
GENERATING ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, WE HAD THE PARTY OPPOSITE UNDER ITS
PREVIOUS LEADER AND ITS CURRENT LEADER UNDERMINING MARK
CONFIDENCE IN IT AND UNDERMINING BANKING AND FINANCING IN THE
TOURISM SECTOR. Mr. SPEAKER, YOU DON’T NEED TO TAKE MY WORD
FOR THAT. THE CHAMBER ABOUT OF COMMERCE AND TOURISM INDUSTRY
ACTUALLY HAS SAID THOSE THINGS PUBLICLY THEMSELVES AND I’LL
STAGE SOME OF THEIR DOCUMENTS. [ Some Applause ]
AND Mr. SPEAKER, THE OPPOSITION HAS DONE THAT BY
SPREADING THREE KEY PIECES OF MISINFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC.
ONE AROUND COST. SUGGESTING THIS COST IS OUTSIDE OF THE
REALM OF THE HISTORIC SUBSTANCE I DID, NOT JUST TO THIS SERVICE
BUT ALSO IT’S VERY MUCH IN LANE WITH THE HISTORIC SUBSIDY FOR
OUR OTHER FERRY SERVICES IN DIGBY AND IN PICTOU. IN FACT,
THIS FERRY SERVICE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PER PASSENGER SUBSTANCE
DID I COMES IN A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THE PICTOU SERVICE, A
LITTLE BIT MORE THAN DIGBY. THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION
SUGGESTED WHEN THE PC GOVERNMENT WAS OPERATING THAT FERRY SERVICE
THAT IT WAS DOING GREAT, IT WAS DOING WONDERFUL. AND WHILE THE
PC GOVERNMENT WAS IN POWER THEN, I WILL REMIND THE LEADER OF THE
OPPOSITION, IT WAS BIG FERRIES OPERATING THAT SERVICE, Mr.
SPEAKER. THE SAME COMPANY THAT THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION IS
TAKING TO COURT, THE SAME COMPANY THAT THE LEADER OF THE
OPPOSITION HAS VILIFIED SUGGESTING THAT THEY ONLY CARE
ABOUT THE BOTTOM LINE AND DON’T CARE ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT
TO THIS PROVINCE. AND Mr. SPEAKER, THE SAME COMPANY THAT
ACTUALLY UNDER OUR CONTRACT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN NOVA SCOTIAN
HISTORY IS SERVICING THAT VESSEL ON THE CANADIAN SIDE OF THE
BORDER.. [ Some Applause ]
IT IS FUELED, IT IS FED, AND THERE IS STAFF WORKING ON THIS
SIDE OF THE BORDER AND THAT’S THE FIRST TIME THAT HAS
HAPPENED, EVEN WITH THE PAST MARINE ATLANTIC VESSEL, Mr.
SPEAKER. THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION HAS SAID THERE IS NO
CANADIANS WORKING FOR BAY FERRIES ON THE CREW OF THIS
FERRY. THAT’S NOT TRUE. THERE IS OVER 40 EMPLOYEES DIRECTLY
EMPLOYED LOCALLY WITH BAY FERRIES THAT ARE WORKING ON THAT
BOAT AND THAT ARE WORKING TO SUPPORT THE SERVICES THAT THAT
BOAT PROVIDES, Mr. SPEAKER. THE THIRD POINT OF
MISINFORMATION AND THAT’S SOMETHING WE ARE VERY PROUD OF
IS THAT WE’RE EMPLOYING CANADIANS TO PROVIDE THE
SERVICE. [ Some Applause ]
AND TO SUGGEST OTHERWISE IS NOT TRUE. IT’S AN AMERICAN FLAG
VESSEL SO THERE NEEDS TO BE AMERICAN CREW ON THAT. THERE
WAS NO OTHER VESSEL ON THE MARK TO MAKE THAT RUN AND NO OTHER
COMPANY TO PROVIDE THAT RUN EITHER THAT WE BELIEVE WOULD BE
AVAILABLE, Mr. SPEAKER. THE — AND THE OTHER BIG POINT
THAT I BELIEVE IS MISLEADING TO THE PUBLIC IS ON THE ISSUE OF IT TRANSPARENCY. THE FACT OF THE
MATTER IS EVERY DOCUMENT IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. WHAT
IS KEPT CONFIDENTIAL IS THE PROPRIETARY INFORMATION AROUND
THE MANAGEMENT FEE. THE SAME MANAGEMENT FEES THAT YOU FIND IN
HOME CARE PROVIDERS, THE VON, IN ROAD BUILDERS, THEY HAVE SIMILAR
MANAGEMENT FEES, Mr. SPEAKER. OUR HOME CARE — OUR LONG-TERM
CARE FACILITIES, Mr. SPEAKER, ALL OF THESE COMPANIES, MANY OF
THEM, I SHOULD SAY, THAT PROVIDE THESE SERVICES ACTUALLY DO
MAINTAIN CONFIDENTIALITY AROUND THEIR MANAGEMENT FEES BECAUSE
THAT’S HOW THEY COMPETE FOR THESE CONTRACTS. WE GET
DIFFERENT — DOCTORS AS WELL. WE’VE NEVER SEEN A MEMBER OF THE
OPPOSITION STAND UP AND ATTACK ONE OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS FOR
KEEPING THEIR MANAGEMENT FEES CONFIDENCE. IT’S ONLY TARGETED
TOWARDS THIS SERVICE, Mr. SPEAKER. AND I REALLY DO HOPE
THAT PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE WORDS OF THE LEADER OF
THE OPPOSITION. AND IT’S INTERESTING THAT HE’S
WAITED UNTIL THIS MOMENT OF VULNERABILITY WHERE WE WERE ABLE
TO BREAKTHROUGH SOME BARRIERS ON THE U.S. SIDE OF THE BORDER TO
SAY HE NOW SUPPORTS THIS FERRY SERVICE. A MOMENT OF SERIOUS
FINANCIAL AND ECONOMIC VULNERABILITY FOR PEOPLE IN THE
TOURISM SECTOR, Mr. SPEAKER. [ Speaking Simultaneously ] The Speaker: ORDER, PLEASE!
ORDER, PLEASE! ORDER, PLEASE! THE HONOURABLE MEMBER FOR
YARMOUTH HAS THE FLOOR. // Mr. SPEAKER, IF PEOPLE VET
WHAT I’M SAYING ON THIS, I BELIEVE THE INTENTION OF THE
MEMBERS OPPOSITE, NOT ALL OF THEM IS, TO CONTINUALLY UNDER
MINE THE SERVICE AND THEY ARE STAKING A POLITICAL FLAG IN THE
GROUND ON THE FAILURE OF THE SERVICE AND HOPING IT FAILS SO
THEY CAN GAIN POLITICALLY. AND IF YOU DO DOUBT ME, I HOPE
PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THIS DEBATE
BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE IS FOR SOCIAL MEDIA CONSUMPTION, THE
BOTTOM BASS BOMBASTIC SPEECH THAT WILL YOU
PUT ON MEDIA. AND — YOU TELL ME IF YOU THINK THE LEADER OF
THE OPPOSITION IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS FERRY SERVICE. I ENCOURAGE
PEOPLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THE LEADER
OF THE OPPOSITION WILL STAND AND RAIL, BOMBAS TICKLY ABOUT HOW
THIS HAS BEEN BEEN MISMANAGED FROM THE GET-GO YET, HE HAS
NEVER OFFERED ONE SOLUTION TO THE CHALLENGES WE’VE FACED,
INCLUDING THE ONES WITH THE U.S. GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW. HE HAS
NEVER EVEN MENTIONED AN ALTERNATIVE COMPANY THAT COULD
PROVIDE THE SERVICE OR ANOTHER OPERATOR AND I DON’T THINK HE’S
AWARE OF ANY. HE’S ALSO NEVER MENTIONED A DIFFERENT ROUTE THAT
COULD BE RUN. SO IF EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS CONTRACT HAS BEEN
MISMANAGED, PERHAPS AT THE VERY LEAST, THE MEMBER OF THE
OPPOSITION COULD STAND IN HIS PLACE AND EXPLAIN WHAT HE WOULD
DO DIFFERENTLY, Mr. SPEAKER. BECAUSE TO SUGGEST THIS
GOVERNMENT IS SECRETIVE I THINK IS A BIG STRETCH WHEN HE ATTACKS
THIS CONTRACT. IF HE HAS AN ALTERNATIVE VISION, PERHAPS HE
SHOULD SHARE IT. WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR IT, Mr. SPEAKER. I
KNOW THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION HASN’T TAKEN THE
WORDS OF THE TOURISM INDUSTRY SERIOUSLY WHEN THEY’VE ASKED HIM
TO TONE DOWN THE RHETORIC ON THIS. I KNOW HE HASN’T EVEN
LISTENED TO THE FORMER MEMBER AND WHO WAS THE MOST SENIOR
MEMBER OF HIS CAUCUS ARGYLE AND I’LL REMIND THE MEMBER WHEN THIS
CAME UP BEFORE, THE MEMBER OF — THE FORMER MEMBER OF BARRINGTON
ARGYLE STATED I WISH THIS WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. I WANT
THIS TO GO AWAY. I’M TRYING TO MAKE IT GO AWAY, BUT I’M ONE
PERSON AROUND A CAUCUS TABLE AND I THINK I CAN’T GET THERE.
Mr. SPEAKER, I DO HOPE THAT THE NEXT MEMBER FOR BARRINGTON
ARGYLE HAS MORE SUCCESS THAN THE PREVIOUS BECAUSE THIS IS AN
IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT AFFECTS A LOT OF PEOPLE, Mr. SPEAKER,
AND TO THE PEOPLE OF MY COMMUNITY, IT THE PEOPLE IN THE
TOURISM INDUSTRY ACROSS THIS PROVINCE WHO KNOW THE IMPORTANCE
OF THE SERVICE, WHO EXPERIENCE THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT OVER THE
COURSE OF THE LAST THREE YEARS BEFORE THIS DISRUPTION, MY
MESSAGE TO THEM IS WE BELIEVE NEW, WE BELIEVE IN THE SERVICE,
AND THIS GOVERNMENT WILL NEVER STOP FIGHTING FOR THIS FERRY
SERVICE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, Mr. SPEAKER.
[ Some Applause ] The Speaker: THE HONOURABLE
MEMBER FOR INVERNESS. // Mr. SPEAKER, PERHAPS THE
GOVERNMENT SHOULD JUST SAY THEY’RE SORRY FOR NOT PROVIDING
THE SERVICE THIS YEAR. [ Some Applause ] The Speaker: IF THERE ARE NO
OTHER SPEAKERS, THAT CONCLUDES LATE DEBATE FOR TONIGHT. THE
HOUSE NOW STANDS ADJOURNED UNTIL 1 p.m. TOMORROW. (HOUSE ADJOURNED UNTIL 1 p.m.)
P.M.). [ ♪♪♪ ] [ ♪♪♪ ]

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