Pro-Vaccine vs Anti-Vaccine: Should Your Kids Get Vaccinated?

Pro-Vaccine vs Anti-Vaccine: Should Your Kids Get Vaccinated?

I wish there was just more compassion. No, we don’t want to make something difficult. We just want to be acknowledged My daughter was a victim and she’s being punished Hi, my name is Marissa Gold I am a parent I have two girls, ten and thirteen and I’m also a parenting expert with my own parenting company ‘Intuit Parenting’. My name is David Epstein and I’m a pediatric intensive care physician. I’m Gary Shlifer. I’m an internal medicine physician I’m Bob Sears. I’m a pediatrician. I guess my greatest passion is just to help encourage a full complete informed consent for vaccinations. I’m also Marissa. By trade am a designer. I am also an activist and a mother I’m Melissa Floyd and I would consider myself an informed consent advocate I just want to make sure this conversation can be open for people and continue to inform people and to listen to everyone to understand Why we each come to our opinion on this The first statement is: I am vaccinated So I actually wasn’t fully vaccinated interestingly I grew up with two parents that were into alternative medicine So I was not vaccinated as a child, but as I got older I vaccinated myself. Marisa: Well, I was Vaccinated as a child But my last vaccine was about 15 years ago when I returned to college and I had a severe reaction and that I became arthritic in my hands. Went to many many doctors and Nobody knew what was going on and why it was happening and just shocked like it doesn’t make sense You’re too young to have arthritis and it wasn’t until having kids and sort of digging into my own research for them That a lot of answers started coming up and I think it’s unfortunate that a lot of it is overlooked For me and I’ll continue to get vaccinated regardless of The risks because I’ve seen too many things on the other side I’ve seen kids, you know come into the ICU and die from being, uh, getting the flu I’ve always felt like the the risks are far outweighed by the benefits of getting the protection Not getting vaccinated endangers other people I Will acknowledge, of course as a pediatrician I know vaccines work. I know they give you protection They vary greatly in what that protection is. It’s not like 100% magical shield over you completely but I do acknowledge there are some vaccines like the measles vaccine and the chickenpox vaccine, that honestly if you don’t get those vaccines Yeah, you do risk catching the disease and passing it to others. It’s such a complicated topic Vaccines and you’re starting to get micro with each individual vaccine and definitely the question was Talking about the big picture and I think yeah If you get micro, probably some of these vaccines I think when you’re giving kids medication you have to get micro about it I don’t think it’s doing your kids any service to just say X things are all made the same and they’re all safe and healthy good for you that everybody’s Benefiting from it because that’s false it’s not true Well, we study them before we release them to the public we study them so we do know they’re safe That’s the thing is we know. Safe-ish. You know being an intensive us I see the worst of the worst and so seeing The other side of kids who don’t get vaccinated. I saw a kid walking in with meningococcemia Which I haven’t seen in decades. He had all four limbs cut off They had to be amputated because it was all dead tissue. You forget how bad things were before we had vaccines I didn’t step forward for that because I don’t like the assumption that If a child is unvaccinated somehow they are of risk to everyone and also knowing that Vaccinated individuals can also be caring and spreading diseases I think it’s very polarizing to separate the two as if if you’re vaccinated. You’re totally fine. You’re not risking Anybody anything unvaccinated children don’t just have diseases hanging out in their bodies waiting to unload at any moment Anybody could be spreading diseases, especially things like polio and pertussis that are not completely covered by the vaccine. I’d do anything to keep my child safe I agree I don’t have kids but when I think about it, you know The idea with vaccines is you’re protecting all of us you’re protecting the group, you know There’s this idea of herd immunity. And so I think that’s why it’s really important to talk about because This is an issue. That doesn’t just affect you It affects everyone around you because there’s people that aren’t vaccinated that are sick or have immune issues Or they’re too young to get a vaccine and they count on her immunity I think most people too like I started out Vaccinating my daughter because I believed all the same things that you said it wasn’t until she had a reaction and several reactions that I actually had to look at it differently where I I realized by continuing vaccinating for her that actually would hurt her and yet everyone wants me to do it for the population As if I’m supposed to continue to sacrifice my child for everyone else well I mean there are medical exemptions for for vaccines and if your child has a reaction and then there’s some there’s concern I think that’s valid but I think a larger population is using other Justifications to not get the vaccines, you know a number of families who look into vaccines they will decide to opt out of vaccines because they feel they are just not willing to Risk the side effects, but the side effects are the side effects are like one in a million one in two million whereas the side effects from the diseases when I see all these outbreaks and things like I’m gonna choose vaccines every time and that’s I think right there is the disservice to this conversation because It is a risk benefit analysis. And what’s unfortunate is how downplayed those risks are I only started investigating vaccines because I ended up with a kid with an autoimmune disorder So, what does that mean and instead of finding answers? I found more questions. The one in a million is not a real number And so you’re more that that is put out Is it so people think that no, well not when you’re talking about the different kind of reactions I think the number you’re referring to is anaphylactic shock that anaphylactic shock is of course extremely rare Whereas you when you look at seizures from the MMR vaccine are one in 3,000 But again this creates fear in parents. Well we worry what we worry that you get those on your side kind of downplay those so my daughter had seizures. Seizures for most people are considered kind of a big deal, you know when it happens to you that that Downplayed element of well, that’s not anaphylactic shock. It’s just a seizure. It is just a seizure but seizures can be dangerous I don’t think it’s an idea of downplay I think it comes back to what we were saying with the risk benefit analysis and I think the data is very clear that the Benefits of giving vaccines by far outweigh the risks so I don’t think it’s a question of downplaying the risks. They’re there but we also know that children were dying and now they’re not and yes, there’s side effects, but they’re not as bad as what we had before vaccines I don’t always trust my doctor’s opinion Anytime anyone whether it’s a teacher a friend something I read online my mom, you know my doctor anytime anyone tells me Oh, you should do this especially if it has to do with their health I’m going to do research and it’s I would be Careful about saying it’s that I don’t trust my doctor, but that has that trust has been developed over time And so I would say in the early years when my children were very young when they would say this is what we recommend Yes, of course there were times where I got a second opinion or did the research on my own and asked the questions and I think that as parents We have to do that well, it’s hard to trust someone who sees your child for 10 minutes twice a year in the end parents know their children best and That little office visit where your pediatrician looks at your child He does not know your child the way you know your child, so it’s really hard for whatever recommendation He’s making to be really based and individualized for your kid So if you were to come to your doctor and say hey, my child’s acting differently after this this well visit appointment Something’s wrong You want them to trust that you have an established Relationship and listen to you and hear you and understand that as a mother Just because you don’t have the dr in front of your name. It doesn’t make your opinion somehow less valuable yeah, I mean I think like anyone doctors are fallible and they don’t know everything and I think it’s very important like you’re Mentioning to have a really strong Doctor-patient relationship. I think that’s really hard in today’s ten-minute appointment age, you know makes it really difficult but like as a young doctor I think there’s a lot of distrust when it comes to physician Recommendations it sucks because you know you spend decades training and learning and your heart is in this place where you want to like be of service to people and then You’re not trusted but you know to answer the question You shouldn’t just blindly trust anyone’s opinion your doctor or anyone. Ironically the doctors are the ones that- Well, I trust my physicians My daughter has epilepsy and in March she was also diagnosed with juvenile idiopathic arthritis I went to the rheumatologist and the rheumatologist said we’re gonna put her on methotrexate and I looked at her I’m like methotrexate That’s a chemotherapy Kimber therapeutic agent that you know kids with cancer again and she’s like, yes But we use it in a low dose and it doesn’t cause harmful side effects. You have to trust me. I said okay and I trusted her And I am so glad that I did before all this happened. She was a competitive gymnast and She used to walk up and down the stairs. Like she was 90 years old. She couldn’t hold a pencil in her hand now she’s back on the bars and back on the on the beam doing things which my wife and I Never thought that she would do again. So yes, do I trust my physicians? Yes. Do I question them? Yes, I will say look can we do this for her? Can we do this instead? And yes, you know I, I can appreciate what you guys have said as far as people hearing you and I think that’s the biggest problem in medicine is that Time is short clinicians aren’t listening and I think that as as a pediatrician You know one of the most important jobs That we have is to listen to parents and I think that if any pediatrician isn’t doing that, they’re not doing their job I don’t like it I don’t I want us to be able to talk I want us to be able to have Relevant and educated conversations and I think at the core of this conversation is What is at the core of humanity and being a parent? Which is that we all want to do right by our children and we want to lead happy healthy and productive lives Yeah, I have no doubts in my mind of how I’ve come to my decision making on the subject which has been Tedious and thorough to say the least I did not expect to go down this path in my life But I have people who won’t be friends with me who I’ve had death threats on social media I might not even be able to send my kids to school depending on how legislation changes because of the way I think it just it’s insane to me how hostile this has become and it’s not doing a service to Research and science moving forward and just the overall dialogues we have in our culture whatever the subject what I think is lacking in this debate or conversation is really Compassion from the pro vac side or pro mandate side. I’ll say the people who Refuse to acknowledge that vaccine reactions are happening or that the things that happened to my daughter were Connected because maybe it was just a coincidence and I just needed something to pin it on you are socially isolated You can be isolated by your family isolated by the medical community isolated by society as a whole because they assume you’re Unintelligent uneducated and irrational. I wish there was just more compassion that no We don’t want to make something difficult. We just want to be acknowledged My daughter was a victim and she’s being punished what I signed up for this it was a little bit of trepidation Coming into this because you do hear things in the media You know about the people who are anti vaccine and the way they respond to physicians and it is a little bit scary you know as Physicians we care about people there is compassion on on the medical community side We wouldn’t do this if we if we didn’t care but again, you know I do have compassion for the families that have gone through issues with you know, with vaccines and I have a great deal compassion for the families that had children die from preventable diseases There shouldn’t be any hostility. There should be discussion. I mean we can always question things That’s how we of all that’s how we get better. If we didn’t question anything we’d be still in the dark ages Hey guys, I’m Kendra I’m Erin and we’re from Jubilee media. Thank you so much for watching this episode of middle ground We try to encourage radical empathy in our work So we’re very appreciative that you took the time to watch one of our videos Make sure you let us know what you think in the comments below Also, make sure to subscribe follow us on Instagram and we’ll see you next time

100 thoughts on “Pro-Vaccine vs Anti-Vaccine: Should Your Kids Get Vaccinated?

  1. Umm so my child chocked on bread now that child has brain damage but can eat I’m not gonna feed that child now that common sense

  2. I’m you come to my school without vaccines let me tell you honey I will vaccinate you or you live cause I don’t need you spreading chicken pocks around

  3. Honestly that pediatrician opened my eyes to a lot of things, I'm not an anti vaxxers, but to have someone who is ACTUALLY educated really helps get a good point across rather than 2 people who used Google

  4. Nobody:


  5. You know why you hear all these measles cases on the news lately? Children being rushed to emergency and entire areas being quarantined due to contagious measles?
    It's because of the anti-vaxxers especially Bob Sears who proposes a delayed immunization schedule for children.
    Kids literally dying for a mostly eradicated disease because of these people.

  6. Funny how Melissa is arguing against herd immunity when her daughter, who can't be vaccinated, depends on that herd immunity.

  7. Vaccinated people can be carriers.
    HERD IMMUNITIY has been hyped beyond belief.
    when it actually has virtually NO EFFECT in the risk analysis
    with the small exception of a wide spread epidemic of a particular disease.
    Even then, isolation should be a go-to regardless of whether people are vaccinated or not.
    Polio was actually on its way out before vaccines got to (falsely) claim to be the core victor for its demise.

  8. Melissa, it's your obligation to give a full detail outline on you child when explaining problems to a doctor. The doctor is not a mind reader, they go off what the parents say to figure out what's wrong with your child.

  9. Those who care don’t need millions of dollars to do it if doctors cared why do they need so much money for there work teachers are just as important as doctors because with out teachers there would be no doctors but yet they get chump change compared to doctors the world revolves around money and your telling me I need to trust the people who just want money it doesn’t need to cost millions of dollars to get help what happened to being a Good Samaritan helping others in need who are less fortunate then you are if vaccines were so important and so needed then they would be free not cost money at all think if they started charging you money to breath would that be ethical and right

  10. Vaccinated: healthy with a small chance of minor side effects(unless ur allergic)

    Not vaccinated: dead

    Seems logical to not vaccinate ur child imo

  11. These ladies are trying to argue with a doctor. That's hilarious. Mommy blogs give you more knowledge than years of education.

  12. I'ma head out and play plauge inc I know who my first victim will be also I knew loads of stuff in biology today from plauge Inc lol and threw thorough research it interests me

  13. “My daughter was a victim, and she is being punished.”

    No. She is not being punished. A victim? Sure. Punished? No. If she was being punished, it would it mean the she’s being intentionally harmed. She is not intentionally being harmed by getting vaccines.

    If that were the case, then that would mean some (or a lot of) people are giving her vaccines in order to hurt her. That’s clearly not what’s happening.

  14. The fact that some of the anti vaccine members who keep mentioning "i do my research" is so worrying. You can't validate any symptoms and assume your condition through the internet. If that were the case, what's the actual point of these doctors who had to go through years of medical school and training? This argument is so frustrating.

  15. I don't like how the children are being called threats and how everyone wants them gone even though its THE PARENTS FAULT! Why are we making the children feel bad, why aren't we calling the parents a threat? There's no need to be going around shaming children because of their parents ignorance.

  16. Btw when you’re vaccinated your injected with a non harmful virus that possess the same qualities as the harmful version so your memory cells in your immune system can protect you when you actually come in counter with the harmful virus

  17. That's why your kids are going to die a lot earlier than children who have been vaccinated. Before vaccines people died in their 30s it was rare for people to live longer and for children to grow up

  18. OMG I was a lifeguard and I'm telling you, it's so annoying that some parents aren't getting their kids vaccinated! I don't know why they can't understand that their child can infect everyone in the goddam pool. Like come on, this should be the real thing that should be enforced for the health and safety of everyone.

  19. This shouldn't happen, conducting a debate like this gives credibility to anti vaccine gibberish, making it seem like it's a conversation between two scientifically credible sides

  20. This argument never gets old, like many Anti-Vax kids. There was a time we didn't have vaccines, remember that? 20% infant mortality.

  21. "Parents know their children best" Why then do they have pediatrics departments then? why do you even take your kids to a hospital? Dumbass.

  22. I Believe vaccines NIOWADAYS are not the same anymore and have harsh chemicals in them…hence why they're pushing the vaccine on EVERYBODY!

  23. You canNOT ever undo an antivaxxer.

    Doing so would be an act of God, as that defies the constants of light and human stupidity.

  24. 2 scientists and 1 entrepreneur on one side and 3 dorks on the other 🤔🤔 "informed consent advocate" isn't a job

  25. You'd think a doctor would be smart enough recognize that, in his line of work, he will encounter the rare extreme cases… and understand that is not an accurate representation of society as a whole.

  26. The concern, that any scientific minded, person should have with vaccines is that there have been zero long term properly controlled studies proving the safety of vaccines… What is currently being relied upon are short term and Non-controlled or improperly controlled inconclusive tests… none of which have been repeated, in any attempt to verify results/conclusions.

    Skepticism is often not because people doubt the idea of a vaccine… their skepticism is about the additives that could potentially be a problem. Additives in different vaccines vary, but often include things that are potentially toxic… toxic to organs, toxic to the lymph system, intracellularly toxic, toxic to neurons etc. It has not been definitively proven that those toxins cause Autism or any-other neurological disorder or organ damage… but it has also not been dis-proven… there has not been any legitimate testing to conclusively make either claim.

    Again, it isn't that we know, as a fact, that these dosages are actually a danger, they may very well not be… but they haven't proven their safety with legitimate controlled studies, and people should question that, and demand proper testing… and if problems are revealed, then substitute ingredients with safe alternatives. Many ingredients are currently being used simply because they are inexpensive, which lowers the cost of manufacturing.

    If we have concerns about food, and the chemicals and genetics of the food we eat… Should a reasonable person not be concerned with what is directly injected into our bodies?

    Even when we look at the dosage levels of a single vaccine, it may be determined that the levels are too low to be dangerous… but are we considering that an infant or a toddler can get up to 6 vaccines (whether multiple or combination shots) in one session?

    Another factor that many people overlook… is the risk versus the reward. When people think of Measles, and other diseases, people imagine terrible skin conditions, encephalitis, and a lot of severe suffering, and death. When people think of Polio they think paralysis. They think those things because those are common symptoms from 100 years ago, and in Third World Countries. The symptoms of any disease are exacerbated in poor conditions, lack of hydration, lack of sanitation, lack of nutrition, and lack of basic medical attention. But in the U.S. we have easy access to those things. And historical data actually shows the disease incident rates were on a massive decline before wide spread vaccination took place… the drop was more likely occurring because society was improving those conditions of sanitation, nutrition, clean water etc. etc. And that is the same reason that recent outbreaks are more easily controlled when they do occur now.

    For instance, in the U.S., contracting Polio has a 95% chance of no symptoms at all, and only a 0.5% chance of resulting in paralysis.

    In the U.S., Measles, for example, almost always simply amounts to a body rash and flu symptoms, and then the person recovers fine. There is only a 0.1% chance of it progressing to encephalitis, and even then the symptoms are usually mild and can be fully recovered from, severe cases of encephalitis are rarer. There is only a 0.01% chance of it progressing to SSPE. And there is only about 0.3% chance of measles progressing to being fatal.

    Back when the Disneyland outbreak occurred… there were Zero fatalities, none were anywhere near fatal conditions. But people got scared because they thought a terrible disease was going to run rampant.

    Now, as an adult, people can make informed decisions about the risk and rewards. Many people will feel the protections vaccines provide are definitely worth the current risks… and that is their right to make that choice freely, and I don't condemn anyone for making that choice for them or for their children.

    People may feel that other people who don't vaccinate are being irresponsible, and that they are a threat to others… But if you disagree with people that don't believe in vaccinations, and you decide to vaccinate, then you have increased protections, that reduce their threat to you in the first place. Also consider, that even if they chose to vaccinate, they are still able to be carriers of the pathogens. With those factors, the idea that they are being a high risk threat isn't accurate.

    So, a vaccinated person has a low risk of contracting the disease from someone who is un-vaccinated, and what risk there is, anyone vaccinated or not, can be a carrier… and in the rare case someone contracts the disease, the symptoms can be non-existent, or they can be flu-like symptoms with a body rash, and they will recover just fine.

    Only in extremely rare cases will all the factors work against a person, it would be extremely rare that even though they were vaccinated they contract measles, then have severe symptoms and contract encephalitis, and then SSPE, and then the disease becoming fatal.

    While any death is tragic… and we'd like to prevent them all… there is no way to prevent them all… statistically the risk vs. reward isn't as clear as it is made out. And let's not forget that many people opposing vaccines (in their current state) are not advocating for stopping the use of vaccines altogether… all they are requesting is to properly test them, to make sure they are safe, and if they aren't then we should make the vaccines safe.

    Without properly controlled long term studies being done… we are taking the pharmaceutical industries word for it. But I personally don't trust untested claims… I am not so willing to just take their word for it, when it comes to injecting substances into my body. And when the medical community is dismissive about legitimate scientific testing… there is a problem… that isn't science. And when adverse effects of a treatment are a part of what is being dismissed… then it isn't medicine anymore.

  27. It's become hostile because Karen's like the lady in the scarf are the ones who say "why should I care if all your children get sick and die as long as my children don't get sick"

  28. I'm sure Marisa doesn't use the seatbelt while driving, because it saves only the majority of the people from serious injuries or dying. And that's not good enough for her.

  29. Obviously not all vaccination don't have risk. People allergic to vaccination are the exception. But I rather deal with the minor risk then die or loose a limb. My Moms got arthritis cause it runs in the family so if I get it earlier with a vaccination fine with me cause I really don't wanna loose a limb. Yes question the doctor not all doctors are reliable , do your research on your doctor. Go see your doctor more so they get to know your kid medically better. Parents don't always know their kids expecially medically.

  30. Dr be like "we wouldn't do this if we didn't care"
    Actually, you wouldn't do this if you weren't getting a bonus every time a patient has been fully caught up on their vaccinations

  31. vaccines work, period. Barring special circumstances they work, vaccines work. I read a book that some people need it repeated , repeated . vaccines work, period.

  32. i did not get any vaccines and i did get almost all of the child deseases from my older siblings and i will not get vaccinated in the future ever

  33. My country become polio free because of vaccine and I can't just ignore this big number for few kids who have side effects from vaccine. I do believe doctors need to be more careful about kids if some kids are having some side effects.

  34. Help me understand. If getting vaccinated protects you from the disease, how is not being vaccinated a danger to other people? If you're vaccinated then you should be safe regardless of if someone else is vaccinated or not, no?

  35. Oh god I hesitated so hard before clicking to watch this. I know I’m going to be triggered by anti-vaxxers before I even watch this. *Do you guys WANT the next plague?! Because that’s how you start the next plague!!*

  36. I literally can’t believe that these anti vaxxers are arguing with actual medical professionals that went to university for like 10 years and say that they’ve “done their research” which is most likely from WebMD and Wikipedia

  37. "I don't like the assumption that unvaccinated children are a risk to everyone"
    "I don't like the assumption that not drinking water will dehydrate you"

  38. I actually love this video. I dont think ANYONE was unreasonable or hostile. I dont buy in to the whole anti vax thing, so its REALLY refreshing meeting some and being reminded hey these people have good hearts too. That being said, im still pro vax

  39. “I might not even be able to send my kid to school because of how I think”

    No, it’s more like “my kid possesses so much danger to themself and others that they’re practically going to be banned by law from going to these public places where otherwise they’d be completely safe, because of how I think”.

  40. The Baby Food Industry products has Arsenic, asbestos, Heavy metals and bacterial strains in 95% of what is on the shelf.
    This is a distraction.😢😢😢😢😢😢

  41. David (Pro Vaccine): Tells a moving story about his daughters' illness

    Melissa: "This conversation lacks compassion from the Pro Vax side"

  42. Since you ass hats seem to miss the point of the video. The anti vaccination people are simply saying, you vaccination your kids, just dont make it so that they dont have a choice to not to. That way everyone is still protected. The doctor did lie, the 1 in a million was not anywhere near accurate. Before you all prove the "crazy women" right in your comments, just do research on some of the ingredients and how some haven't changed since they have been introduced.

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