U.S. Attorney Testimony, Children’s Welfare Report, Legal Advocate Retiring

U.S. Attorney Testimony, Children’s Welfare Report, Legal Advocate Retiring


>>COMING UP NEXT, ANALYSIS OF JEFF SESSIONS’ APPEARANCE TODAY BEFORE THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. AND TONIGHT A NEW REPORT SHOWS ARIZONA AGAIN RANKED NEAR THE BOTTOM IN TERMS OF CHILDREN’S WELL BEING. AND WE’LL HEAR FROM LONG-TIME PUBLIC INTEREST ATTORNEY KIM HOGAN. SHE’S STEPPING DOWN AT THE END OF THE YEAR. THOSE STORIES NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON.>>WELCOME TO ARIZONA HORIZON. I’M TED SIMON. THE ONLY TWO COMPANIES OFFERING HEALTH INSURANCE THROUGH ARIZONA THROUGH THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT MARKETPLACE PLAN WILL CONTINUE TO OFFER INSURANCE THROUGH NEXT YEAR. BLUE CROSS, BLUE SHIELD, AND SENTIAN CORBY HEALTH NET OFFER TO CONTINUE TO OFFER PERSONAL INSURANCE PLANS IN ARIZONA IN 2018. BOTH COMPANIES HAVE UNTIL JULY 21 TO CHANGE THEIR MINDS. JEFF SESSIONS TESTIFIED UNDER OATH BEFORE THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. SESSIONS WAS QUESTIONED ON A VARIETY OF TOPICS REGARDING RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN THE U.S. ELECTIONS INCLUDING WHETHER OR NOT HE CO-LEWDED WITH RUSSIAN OFFICIALS TO TAMPER WITH THE VOTE, AN ACCUSATION THAT SESSIONS CALLED AN APPALLING AND DETESTABLE LIE. CHUCK COUGH LYNN, HIGH GROUND PUBLIC APAIRS CONSULTANTS. GENERAL IMPRESSION OF GENERAL SESSIONS TODAY.>>I THINK HE WAS EARNEST.>>THE PRESENTATION OF WHAT HE UNDERSTOOD TO BE THE FACTS AND UNDER INTENSE POLITICAL QUESTIONING.>>THE DETESTABLE LIE APPALLING, DENIED THE COLLUSION. DID IT COME OFF AS PROTESTING TOO MUCH? HOW DID IT COME OFF?>>I DON’T THINK SO. I DON’T THINK SO. THE BIG STORY IS BLOOMBERG IS OUT TODAY SAYING 39 STATES HAVE BEEN HACKED. THAT’S REALLY THE ISSUE, THE SECURITY OF THE AMERICAN ELECTION SYSTEM. SO TO THROW THAT IN TO THE POLITICAL CONTEXT TO PUT IT ON ONE PERSON IS, I THINK, A BIT DESPICABLE. WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING AS A COUNTRY ON THE VULNERABILITY OF THE ELECTION SYSTEM PER SE.>>IT’S A STATEMENT. HE DID EMPHASIZE HE HAD NO INVOLVEMENT AT ALL WITH THE ELECTION, WITH RUSSIA, I SHOULD SAY, INVOLVING THE ELECTION. HERE’S WHAT HE HAD TO SAY.>>LET ME STATE THIS CLEARLY, I NEVER MET WITH OR HAD ANY CONVERSATION WITH ANY RUSSIANS OR ANY FOREIGN OFFICIALS CONCERNING ANY TYPE OF INTERFERENCE WITH ANY CAMPAIGN OR ELECTION IN THE UNITED STATES.>>HE DID AGREE HE FEELS THERE WAS INTERFERENCE IN THE ELECTION. THAT’S A FINE LINE.>>EVERY ELECTION KNOWS A MOSAIC OF THINGS. NO QUESTION ACCORDING TO THE REPORTS THAT WERE OUT THERE. I SAID ON THE BLOOMBERG ISSUE THEY ISSUED TODAY. THERE WAS INTERVENTION. NOW DID THAT DETERMINE THE OUTCOME OF ANY PARTICULAR RACE. BUT IT DOES SHOW THE VULNERABILITY OF THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM. YOU COULD SAY THAT THE PRESIDENTIAL WAS LOST IN THREE STATES, WISCONSIN, OHIO, OR MICHIGAN AND PENNSYLVANIA. YOU CAN THROW OHIO IN THERE. SHE DIDN’T GO THERE THE LAST FEW WEEKS OR THE LAST FEW DAYS OF THE CAMPAIGN. EVERYTHING IS A MOSAIC. THERE’S NO QUESTION. I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT OUR ELECTION SYSTEM IS UNDER ATTACK. THAT’S A COORDINATED EFFORT ON BEHALF OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT.>>WERE YOU SURPRISED THAT HE SAID HE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY DETAILED BRIEFING ON HOW RUSSIA INTERFERE?>>YEAH, I THINK HE’S BEEN — HE WAS VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE HE’S — HE’S SIGNED HIMSELF OFF, DECLARED HIM CONFLICT ON THIS. ASSIGNED IT TO HIS DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL. AND SO HE’S — HE’S TRIED TO WALL HIMSELF OFF OF IT BUT STILL HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF RUNNING THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. SO, THERE IS — AS LAWYERS DO, THERE’S A FINE LINE BEING DRAWN IN SEVERAL INSTANCES.>>YOU MENTIONED WALLING OFF, CRITICS COMPLAINED HE WAS STONE WALLING A LOT OF QUESTIONS. VALID CRITICISM?>>TO THE DEGREE I THOUGHT IT WAS CURIOUS ON THE EXECUTIVE ISSUE. I SAY BASED ON THE ATTORNEYS I SPOKE TO I WOULD EXPECT THAT’S BEEN WAIVED FROM THE MOMENT THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS INTERVIEWED BY LESTER HOLT AND OTHER FOLKS. AND HE WAS PRESERVING THAT PER SE FOR HIS CLIENT WHO HAVE YET TO INVOKE IT. SO I THINK IN THAT INSTANCE, THERE WAS A BIT OF GAMESMANSHIP I GUESS YOU COULD CALL IT. YOU HAVE TO EXPECT THAT.>>LOOK HERE AT GENERAL SESSIONS AGAIN INVOKING EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE, KIND OF.>>JUST SO I’M UNDERSTANDING. ARE YOU CLAIMING EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE HERE TODAY SIR?>>NOT CLAIMING EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE. THAT’S THE PRESIDENT POWER. I HAVE NO POWER TO INVOKE EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE.>>HE HAS NO POWER TO INVOKE EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE, BUT THE PRESIDENT DOES. THE PRESIDENT DOES HE DOESN’T WANT TO TAKE WAY THAT POWER. HE WANTS TO INVOKE HIS OWN.>>PRESERVING IT. HE’S TRYING TO PRESERVE IT AS PROBABLY A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THE PRESIDENT AND TRYING TO PRESERVE THE PRESIDENT FROM HIMSELF THESE DAYS.>>I IMAGINE YOU HAVE TO WATCH WHAT YOU SAY. BUT HE SAID HE WAS FOLLOWING HISTORIC POLICIES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND THERE’S SOME CONCERN THERE LIKE WHERE ARE THESE WRITTEN DOWN. WHAT ARE THE POLICIES? THERE’S A VAGUE RESPONSE AS WELL. HISTORIC POLICIES?>>MY OWN COMPARISON IS WORKING FOR AN EXECUTIVE OFFICIAL. I WORKED FOR GOVERNOR SAMING TON IN THE 90s. A LOT OF LEAGUE PROBLEMS. A BANKRUPTCY, 26 FELONY COUNTS THAT WERE FILED A IT THE TIME. BUT WE MAINTAINED, IT WAS GREAT BECAUSE WE MAINTAINED SERIOUS MESSAGE DISCIPLINE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EXERCISE. AT THE BANKRUPTCY, WE HAD 18 PRESS CONFERENCES IN 21 DAYS ABOUT GOVERNING. FOR THIS WEEK, THE PRESIDENT WAS WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT WEEK AND LAST WEEK WAS INFRASTRUCTURE WEEK. NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE EVERY DAY HE STARTS OFF WITH A DISCUSSION WITH A TWEET ATTACKING SOMEBODY AND HE’S YET TO FULLY UNDERSTAND I THINK AS THE PRESIDENT, AS THE EXECUTIVE, AS THE GOVERNOR IS, WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING, EVERYTHING REVOLVES AROUND YOU. SO HIS TEAM IS INCAPABLE OF EXECUTING ON MESSAGING AND THE — HE CEASES TO — HE CEDES THE FIELD TO EVERYBODY ELSE.>>HE DIDN’T VIOLATE HIS RECUSAL. HE DID RECUSE HIMSELF INVOLVING THE INVESTIGATION. BUT HE DID SIGN THE LETTER FIRING THE FBI DIRECTOR, COMBY. HE SAID THAT WASN’T — IT WAS HIS RESPONSIBILITY AS ATTORNEY GENERAL TO BE INVOLVED IN THE FIRING. HOW DID HE WORK OUT THAT MESS?>>HE’ IS SAYING I’M STILL THE HEAD OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. I KNOW MY DEPUTY HAS DONE THIS. A COVER MEMO. BUT IT CREATED AN AWKWARDNESS THAT I THINK WAS BROUGHT UP TODAY AND AS YOU BROUGHT UP RIGHT NOW, HAD I BEEN THERE — YEAH, JUST LET ME DO HIS JOB.>>WHEN IS A RECUSAL NOT A RECUSAL?>>WHEN A LAWYER DOESN’T WANT TO BE A RECUSAL.>>DOESN’T WANT TO GIVE THE APPEARANCE THAT HE’S IN CHARGE. I’VE BEEN PARTY TO SOMEONE RECUSING THEMSELVES AND THEY’RE IN THE ROOM. LIKE WHAT ARE YOU DOING. AN INTERESTING THING I HAVE TO THINK IF I WERE GIVING THEM ADVICE WOULD SAY JUST LET THEM DO HIS JOB. LET THE LETTER GO. BUT THIS GETS BACK TO THE QUESTION OF I THINK THE PRESIDENT ASKING, IS JEFF SESSIONS IN CHARGE OF THE JUSTICE THEN’T? SO HE’S TRYING TO PORTRAY TO THE PRESIDENT THAT HE IS IN CHARGE OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. WHILE HE’S RECUSED HIMSELF FROM THIS MATTER.>>WHAT DO WE LEARN? THERE’S A TROUBLING AMOUNT OF SMOKE, SENATOR WARNER SAID, SURROUNDING ALL OF THIS, INCLUDING GENERAL SESSIONS. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT? AND SECONDLY, IF YOU DO, IS THIS RESONATING WITH THE PUBLIC? IS THAT SMOKE BEING SEEN OUTSIDE OF WASHINGTON?>>NO. I DON’T THINK SO. PEOPLE EVENTUALLY BEGIN TO TUNE THIS OUT. WE GOT OUT OF THE FIELD IN ARIZONA. MANY OF MY CLIENTS WERE SHOCKED BY IT. THE MOST POPULAR REPUBLICANS. MUCH MORE POPULAR THAN SENATOR McCAIN, THE GOVERNOR, AND SENATOR FLAKE. AND SO THEY GET SHOT. SO PART OF THIS IS PLAYING IN THAT BASE MENTALITY OF WASHINGTON IS A SWAMP AND THEY’RE VICTIMIZING AND THEN HE KEEPS PLAYING THAT OUT. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AREN’T BEING SERVED. WE’RE NOT BEING SERVED BY THE ISSUE AT PLAY HERE. AT 39 STATES WERE DEMONSTRABLY HACKED. OUR ELECTION SYSTEM IS UNDER ATTACK AND NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT. YET WE’RE IN THIS PARTISAN GAMESMANSHIP IN WASHINGTON OF ONE SIDE TRYING TO PLAY A GAME OF GOTCHA WITH THE OTHER SIDE. I DON’T SEE THAT. WHAT I’LL WAIT TO SEE, AND I DO TRUST THE PROCESS OF THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR, TO COME OUT WITH THE FACTS OF WHAT — WHAT ACTUALLY DID HAPPEN IN THIS CYCLE AND THEN WE AS A GOVERNING BODY AS THE COUNTRY COULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY HOW DO WE DEFEND AGAINST THAT? IS THERE COMPLICITNESS IN THAT IN THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION? AGAIN, I’M GOING TO LOOK AT THAT REPORT TO FIND THAT OUT. LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THAT.>>LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THAT TOO. PERHAPS THE TESTIMONY THAT FOLLOWS AS WELL. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. YOU’RE WATCHING ARIZONA HORIZON. HOW THE STATE FARE IN A NATIONAL REPORT ON THE WELL BEING OF CHILDREN.>>THE ANNUAL KIDS COUNT REPORT IS OUT AND ARIZONA RANKED 46th OVERALL IN TERMS OF THE WELL BEING OF CHILDREN. HERE NOW TO TALK ABOUT THE REPORT AND TO CRUNCH A FEW NUMBERS IS PATTY URIAS WITH CHILDREN ACTION ALLIANCE. GOOD TO BE HERE. WHAT IS THE REPORT?>>THE REPORT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT ARE ALL INCLUDED IN CONDITIONS FOR KIDS. IT TAKES A LOOK AT ALL OF THE STATES AND COMPARES THEM SIDE-BY-SIDE HOW WELL THEY DID IN CERTAIN MARKERS. ECONOMIC WELL BEING SUCH AS POVERTY RATE, RATES OF UNINSURED CHILDREN, KIDS WHO WERE ATTENDING PRESCHOOL, THAT SORT OF THING, AND COMPILES ALL OF THIS DATA. TAKES A LOOK AT IT AND COMPARES THE STATE SIDE-BY-SIDE TO SEE WHERE STATES FALL WITHIN THAT — THAT GRID IF YOU WILL.>>WE RANKED 46th OUT OF 50. LAST YEAR 45. WHY THE DROP?>>COULD BE A NUMBER OF FACTORS. THE WAY THAT THE RANKING WORKS IS IT ALSO DEPENDS ON A CURB. SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW WELL OTHER STATES DID. FOR SOME ARIZONA, WE GAINED SOME AND LOST SOME IN OTHER AREAS.>>WE’LL LOOK AT THE LOSSES AND LOOK AT THE ENCOURAGING ASPECTS. AS FAR AS KIDS LIVING IN POVERTY, ARIZONA RANKED 48th IN THIS PARTICULAR METRIC. 24% OF KIDS LIVING IN HIGH POVERTY AREA. WHAT’S GOING ON OUT THERE.>>FAMILIES ARE STRUGGLING. PROGRAMS PROVIDE A SAFETY NET THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE FOR THEM. SO PROGRAMS JUST TANF. THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF FAMILIES THAT AREN’T ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.>>IS THERE A DEMOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWN? OR ARE THEY JUST THE RAW NUMBERS.>>FOR THIS DATA, IT TAKES A LOOK AT THE RAW DATA AS FAR AS THE PERCENTAGE OF FAMILIES AND WE GO IN A MORE DETAILED REPORT.>>LOW ENROLLMENT OF KIDS IN CHILDHOOD EARLY EDUCATION. WE RANKED 46th IN 3 AND 4-YEAR-OLDS ENROLLED. THAT’S DOWN NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.>>63% OF THE KIDS WHO ARE WITHIN THAT AGE GROUP THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO QUALITY PRESCHOOL PROGRAMS THAT CAN MAYBE TEACH THEM HOW TO COUNT, HOW TO LEARN THEIR ALPHABET, THAT SORT OF THING. THEY DON’T HAVE ACCESS TO IT. THAT’S WHY WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF KIDS THAT STRUGGLE THROUGHOUT THEIR EDUCATIONAL CAREERS.>>WE SHOULD MENTION THAT STUDY AFTER STUDY SHOWS GETTING THE 3 AND 4-YEAR-OLDS, THE PRESCHOOLERS UP AND OPERATIONAL AS FAR AS THE PROCESS OF LEARNING, THAT’S BIG, THAT’S HUGE.>>IT IS. WE’RE STARTING TO SEE A TREND IN STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHERE THE COMMUNITIES ARE GETTING INVOLVED WITH POLICY MAKERS AND THEY’RE STARTING TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO THERE’S A HUGE GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT INTERESTS WHO UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF EDUCATING YOUNG KIDS. THEY ARE STARTING THESE PILOT PROGRAMS WHERE KIDS ARE ABLE TO ATTEND PRESCHOOL, QUALITY PRESCHOOL JUST TO SEE HOW — HOW WELL THEY DO. WE DO KNOW THAT EDUCATING THEM EARLY HAS AN IMPACT ON THEM LATER IN LIFE.>>AS FAR AS ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE, WE RANKED 44th. IT IS AN IMPROVEMENT.>>A GOOD IMPROVEMENT. IN THE PRIOR REPORT, 10% OF ARIZONA CHILDREN DID NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE. THIS DATA LOOKS AT 2015 DATA. SO WE DO KNOW THAT IN 2016 WHEN KIDS CARE WAS APPROVED BY THE GOVERNOR, THERE ARE 20,000 KIDS THAT HAVE HEALTH COVERAGE THAT DIDN’T HAVE IT BEFORE. THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. THOSE ARE GOOD FIGURES. FROM 10% TO 8%. WE WILL TAKE THAT WIN.>>ANOTHER WIN HERE IS LOW BIRTH WEIGHT BABIES. ARIZONA RANKED 17 INNED THE NATION AS FAR AS LOW BIRTH WEIGHT BABIES. NOT BAD.>>NOT TOO BAD. YOU TIE THAT IN TO THE NUMBER OF TEEN BIRTHS WHICH IS GOING DOWN, FEWER AND FEWER TEENS ARE GIVING BIRTH. THAT’S A POSITIVE.>>THE DEATH RATE, ARIZONA RANKS 16th IN THE COUNTRY. COULD DO BETTER. NOT THAT BAD.>>THOSE ARE SMALL WINS. WE’LL TAKE THEM WHERE WE CAN GET THEM.>>HOW DO WE WORK ON THOSE? HOW DO WE SPREAD THOSE OUT A LITTLE MORE?>>HOW GETTING THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED, PARENTS, POLICY MAKERS INVOLVED, GETTING THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO STEP UP AND SAY WE REALLY NEED THIS, IT TAKES SORT OF A — IT TAKES A VILLAGE CONCEPT. IT TAKES A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. PEDIATRICIANS, DOCTORS, IT TAKES EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY AND OVERWHELMING AND VERY WELCOME AND DEDICATED COMMITMENT TO MAKE THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN. WE CAN MAKE THEM HAPPEN. FOR MORE COMMITMENT AND FOCUS ON GOOD PUBLIC POLICY, WE CAN MAKE AN IMPACT IN HOPEFULLY BRINGING THOSE NUMBERS UP.>>OPTIMISTIC?>>I’M GOING TO BE OPTIMISTIC TODAY.>>WELL, GOOD ENOUGH. THAT’S A GOOD — THAT’S A GOOD WAY TO BE. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. WE APPRECIATE IT.>>THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.>>FOR YEARS ATTORNEY TIM HOGAN HAS USED A LEGAL SYSTEM TO EXPRESS INEQUITIES IN STATE EDUCATION, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND OTHER ISSUES. AFTER 26 YEARS AS THE LEAGUE COUNT SI, HE’LL BE STEPPING DOWN AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. JOINING US NOW IS TIM HOGAN. FOR HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN ON THIS PROGRAM?>>I DON’T KNOW.>>IT’S INCALCULATEBLE.>>WHY ARE YOU LEAVING? WHAT’S GOING ON?>>SOMETIMES YOU KNOW IT’S TIME. BEEN AT THE CENTER A LONG, LONG TIME. I WANT TO TRY NEW THINGS. I THINK IT’S TIME FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE OVER AND TAKE THE CENTER AND PROVIDE SOME LEADERSHIP AND POSSIBLY DO SOME GREAT THINGS IN AREAS THAT WE STARTED.>>WHEN YOU SAY TRY NEW THINGS? FLY FISHING? GOLFING.>>NO, I’M NOT RETIRING. PEOPLE MISCONSTRUED THIS ANNOUNCEMENT. I WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THINGS AND CASES I CARE ABOUT. CONTINUE TO PRACTICE LAW AND CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CENTER ON IMPORTANT CASES. YOU KNOW, WE FILED THE LAWSUIT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO CHALLENGING THE SCHOOL FINANCE SYSTEM, CAPITAL FUNDING. CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT AND OTHER THINGS.>>HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE THE CENTER AND HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE YOUR ROLE AT THE SENTER?>>THE CENTER’S MISSION IS REALLY TO PROVIDE A VOICE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE UNREPRESENTED IN OUR SYSTEM, THEY DON’T HAVE A VOICE IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. WE TEND TO FOCUS OUR EFFORTS ON VULNERABLE POPULATIONS MANY TIMES WHO DON’T GET LISTENED TO. WE TRY TO USE THE LAW TO VINDICATE THEIR RIGHTS. USUALLY THE ARIZONA CONSTITUTION OR FEDERAL LAW. MY ROLE HAS BEEN TO PROVIDE SOME LEADERSHIP, I THINK, IN TERMS OF THE DIRECTION AND AREAS WE’VE ADDRESSED OVER THE YEARS.>>HOW DO YOU DECIDE TO GO AFTER? WHAT’S THE BOTTOM LINE?>>THIS’S A DIFFICULT EXERCISE FOR US. BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN DO. WE’RE A SMALL ORGANIZATION. SO THAT DICTATES SOME OF WHAT’S POSSIBLE FOR US. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT CASES THAT WE CAN DO EFFICIENTLY WITH THE RESOURCES WE HAVE. OR BRING IN PARTNERS TO HELP SUPPORT OUR EFFORTS IN THOSE KINDS OF CASES. WE HAVE TO THINK WE CAN WIN. WE’RE TOO SMALL TO TAKE ON CASES THAT WE DON’T THINK WE’RE GOING WIN.>>THAT’S INTERESTING. NO TILTING AT WINDMILLS HERE, IS THERE?>>NOT REALLY. SOME PEOPLE MAY CHARACTERIZE IT THAT WAY. BUT THE TRUTH IS, WE JUST CAN’T AFFORD TO EMBARK ON A MULTIYEAR COMMITMENT WHICH A LAWSUIT IS. WHEN WE DON’T THINK WE HAVE A GOOD CHANCE OF SUCCESS.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES FOR SCHOOLS. AGAIN, WHY DID YOU GO FOR THAT ONE?>>WE’VE COME FULL CIRCLE. MAYBE THAT’S A — MAYBE THAT LEADS INTO MY STEPPING DOWN. THE — THAT’S THE FIRST LAWSUIT I FILED WHEN I CAME TO THE CENTER IN 1991. AND WE’RE VERY MUCH BACK, EXACTLY WHERE WE WERE THEN. RELYING ON A PROPERTY TAX BASE TO FUND CAPITAL EXPENDITURES FOR NEW SCHOOLS, BUILDING RENOVATIONS, EQUIPMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT. UNFAIR, INEQUITABLE. EQUALITY AND EQUIPMENT SHOULDN’T MATTER IN WHERE THE KID LIVES WHICH IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FUND THROUGH THE PROPERTY TAX. WE HAD ONE LITIGATION. GOT A COMPREHENSIVE LAW PUT IN PLACE BY THE LEGISLATURE THAT OVER TIME THEY COMPLETELY ABANDONED SUCH THAT WE’RE NOW WORSE OFF THAN WE WERE IN 1991 WHEN IT COMES TO FUNDING CAPITAL FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS.>>IT’S INTERESTING HOW THAT HAS COME FULL CIRCLE AS FAR AS THE CENTER IS CONCERNED. PROP? THAT WAS A BIG ONE AS WELL. WHY WAS THAT TAKEN ON?>>YEAH.>>INFLATION FUNDING FOR EDUCATION.>>THAT’S A GOOD EXAMPLE. WE DID THAT CASE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH ANOTHER ATTORNEY AND FIRM.>>THAT WAS A CASE THAT COULD BE DONE BECAUSE YOU’RE DEALING WITH A LAW THAT VOTERS HAVE APPROVED THAT SAID THE LEGISLATORS SHALL PROVIDE FOR INFLATION FUNDING EVERY YEAR. THEY DID THAT UP TO A POINT AND THEN DECIDED NOT TO. AND SO WE COULD DO THAT CASE EFFICIENTLY. A LEGAL ISSUE. AND WE MANAGED TO AS FAR AS WE GOT, THEY AGREED TO US.>>THE GOVERNMENT REPEATEDLY REFERENCED CHILD LAWYERS AS THOSE WHO ARE NOT LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS ON THESE AREAS. RESPOND TO THAT.>>WELL, I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. I’VE DONE TRIALS, I’M A LAWYER. I SUPPOSE THAT MAKES ME A TRIAL LAWYER. BUT I DON’T THINK HE HAS IN MIND. I THINK HE MEANS IT AS A PEJORATIVE TERM SOMEHOW. AND YOU KNOW, BUT AS I SAID, I’VE BEEN CALLED FAR WORSE THAN THAT. IF THE TRIAL LAWYERS ARE THE BEST YOU CAN COME UP WITH, I’M DOING ALL RIGHT, I THINK. I DON’T KNOW — I THINK PEOPLE SOMETIMES ELECTED OFFICIALS JUST HAVE A VISCERAL RESPONSE TO THINGS AND PULL THINGS OUT OF A HAT. I DON’T THINK IT HAS A MEANING HERE.>>LOOKING BACK 20 SOME ODD YEARS HERE, WHAT’S THE BIGGEST SUCCESS, WHAT’S THE BIGGEST REGRET?>>I THINK THE BIGGEST SUCCESS IS WE’VE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESSES. CERTAINLY AREAS I WORKED ON, EDUCATION FUNDING, WE GENERATED BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR ARIZONA’S PUBLIC SCHOOLS OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME. WE’VE LITIGATED THE MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM THROUGHOUT THAT PERIOD OF TIME AND SUCCESSFULLY RESOLVED THAT A FEW YEARS AGO. AND ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES AT THE CENTER WORKED VERY HARD ON THAT THROUGHOUT ALMOST THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF TIME THAT CASE WENT ON. WE’VE ACHIEVED SOME AMAZING SUCCESSES ON ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, PARTICULARLY CLEAN AIR ACT ENFORCEMENT. WE’VE BEEN PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY ONES DOING THAT. EVERY SINCE THE CLEAN AIR ACT WAS SIGNED BY RICHARD NIXON WAY BACK WHEN. AND HAVE HAD ASTOUNDING SUCCESS IN THAT AREA. SO THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT EITHER I CONTRIBUTED TO OR HELPED WITH THAT WE’RE JUST AMAZINGLY PROUD OF. DISAPPOINTMENTS, THERE ARE A LOT. I MEAN THE OVERRIDING DISAPPOINTMENT, ANY TIME YOU DO THIS KIND OF WORK IS YOU COULDN’T DO MORE. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO DO. BUT BECAUSE OF RESOURCE CONSTRAINTS, YOU CAN’T.>>RIGHT.>>SO THAT — THAT’S THE BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT.>>ALL RIGHT. WE THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE TIME YOU SPENT ON THE SHOW. WE’LL GET YOU ON ONCE OR TWICE MORE. YOU NEVER KNOW. NEVER LET YOU LEAVE UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR.>>LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.>>THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. WEDNESDAY ON ARIZONA HORIZON, LAURENCE KRAUSE HAS THE LATEST SCIENCE NEWS INCLUDING GRAVITATIONAL OBSERVATIONS FROM 3 BILLION LIGHT YEARS AWAY. THAT’S IT FOR NOW. I’M TED SIMONS, THANKS FOR JOINING US.

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