Western Civilization is Based on Judeo-Christian Values – Debunked

Western Civilization is Based on Judeo-Christian Values – Debunked


One of the most prominent and pernicious claims
that theists (and indeed some atheists) are currently making is that “Western civilisation
is based on Judaeo-Christian values: “The values that resonate most with human beings
are eternal; not changeable, and not relativistic. They’re universal, not group specific. And most of all, they apply to individual
human beings, not group labels. And those values were first embedded clearly
and precisely in the Ten Commandments”, “Our moral values (certainly in Western
Culture) come from Christianity”; “Judaeo-Christian values are predicated on the existence of
a god of morality […] the entire Western world (what we call Western civilisation)
is based on this understanding”; “To make a rational argument you have to start with
an initial proposition. Well, the proposition that underlies Western
culture is that there’s a transcendent morality”; “European and American culture (which is
based on Judaeo-Christian values) is better than other cultures – I think it’s uncontroversial
to say so”; “That was the basic foundation of America. It was a Judaeo-Christian ethic, it was a
Judaeo-Christian reasoning”; “The Catholic church built Western civilization”; “Western
Civilization at large was build on Christianity – that’s a fact!” And yet, this claim is absolute nonsense…
and what’s worse, it’s often not even an argument… it’s just an assertion – a
statement, that straight-out ignores history and science. This is “Western Civilization is Based on
Judaeo-Christian Values – Debunked”. Now it tends to be quite easy to take on this
claim, because, as just said, that’s all it often is… a claim – and so refuting
it tends to merely require a swift motion from Hitchen’s razor: “That which can
be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.” But in the few cases in which an argument
is actually given it tends to be in reference to morality, which in effect is the assertion
that “Western morality is based on the assumption that the Abrahamic god exists.” “Most people in this room act out a Judaeo-Christian
ethic”; “Judaeo-Christian values are predicated on the existence of a god of morality […] the
entire Western world (what we call Western civilisation) is based on this understanding”;
“Our moral values (certainly in Western Culture) come from Christianity”; “I’m
arguing that the ethic that drives our culture is predicated on the existence of god.” Now the first thing to be said about most
of those who make this assertion is that they’re utterly ignoring history before Judaism, and
in so doing they’re just expecting us to assume that before its inception people somehow
didn’t know that it’s wrong to kill, exploit and steal; that before the Ten Commandments
life was nasty, brutish and short… but this simply isn’t true. Evidence shows that official laws against
murder and theft date back at least 4,400 years to Lagash, Mesopotamia (which, of course,
is 600 years before the birth of Judaism); and that official laws abolishing slavery
only date back 200 years (which, of course, is 3,600 years after Judaism)… but since
these facts don’t fit the Judaeo-Christian narrative let’s just ignore them, right? I mean, it’s not like Abrahamic religion
hasn’t ignored (and still ignores) facts that contradict it, is it? “Those values were first embedded clearly
and precisely in the Ten Commandments.” “Facts don’t care about your feelings.” Or to put this all another way, most of those
who make this assertion just expect us to believe that an evolved social species somehow
didn’t evolve social norms. That despite all of the evidence telling us
otherwise (such as the fact that wolves, elephants, chimpanzees, rats, bats and whales have all
have been proven to exhibit moral behaviour), humans for some reason required divine intervention. You know, I think it’s worth me doubling
down here, because for whatever reason many seem to have a hard time understanding how
human morality could’ve emerged naturally, when it’s really quite simple. We are sentient beings that have evolved the
capacity to feel pain and the desire to avoid it, and our recognition that the best way
to achieve this is by cooperating and establishing rules is morality. It’s that simple. Morality isn’t this mysterious, unfathomable
thing; the religious just need to be, because, to paraphrase the founding father and second
U.S president John Adams, mystery is a convenient excuse for absurdity. Anyhow, with the question of “where do moral
values come from” answered, I’m convinced that the best way to succinctly address the
primary assertion is to first identify Western values, and to then trace back when, where
and why they emerged. And so, let’s start with freedom of speech
– the very bedrock of a free society, and the right that allows us to enact and defend
all other rights – is this Western value of Judaeo-Christian origin? No. Both the Old and New Testament proclaim strict
limitation on free speech (through primarily blasphemy laws), and until very recently Jewish
and Christian governments declared exactly the same. Hell, the Inquisition was the antithesis of
free speech, as they literally incinerated anyone who didn’t share their barbaric,
un-enlightened beliefs. Anyhow, so far as evidence indicates the principle
of freedom of speech and expression dates back 2,500 years to ancient Athens and the
early Roman Republic, but true freedom of speech didn’t emerge until the early Enlightenment,
1689, with first The British Bill of Rights, and shortly after The French Revolution (3,500
after Judaism and 1,700 years after Christianity). Moving on, what about liberty? You know, the abolition of slavery… and
with it the pursuit of happiness? Did this value (that so characterises the
West) come from Judaism or Christianity? Again, no. The Old and New Testament both explicitly
endorse slavery, and in fact provide rules and regulation for several categories of slaves;
regulations that both Jews and Christians enacted and upheld during the vast majority
of their time in power. The truth of the matter is that the principle
of liberty dates back, again, 2,500 to Athens, when the lawgiver Solon abolished debt slavery
and freed all Athenian citizens who had formally been enslaved. But true abolition of slavery didn’t occur
until the 19th century (3,600 years after Judaism, and 1,800 years after Christianity). Now some, such as Theo Hobson, would argue
that since Christianity dominated the West during the this time, the abolition of slavery
was (and still is) rooted in Judaeo-Christian values, but this is as fallacious as asserting
that since animal rights first emerged in Hindu culture, therefore animal rights was
(and still is) rooted in Hindu values; it’s a type of False Cause Fallacy. Okay, well, what about democracy? The ability to elect, and more importantly
remove, our leaders? Surely, the West inherited this moral from
Judaeo-Christian values, right? Again, no – absolutely not. Both the Old and New Testament explicitly
endorse theocracy (which is a system of government in which one or more people rule in the name
of a god or gods), and, surprise, surprise, throughout history Judaism and Christianity
have enforced such a government. For example, in Medieval Europe (in which
“Judaeo-Christian” values absolutely dominated) the monarch could do whatever he wanted to
whoever he wanted without justification, because he had the Divine Right of Kings. The principle of democracy can be traced back,
again, 2,500 years to Athens, when Cleisthenes reformed their constitution so that randomly
selected citizens could assume administrative and judicial offices. However, it wasn’t perfect, as “citizenship”
excluded women, slaves, foreigners, non-landowners, and men under the age of 20. Unfortunately, as just mentioned, the principle
was buried during Medieval Europe, but it saw a significant resurgence in the 18th century
due to Enlightenment values, and true democracy (as in all citizens who’re mentally capable
above the age of eighteen being able to vote) was finally established in the 20th century
(3,700 years after Judaism and 1,900 years after Christianity). And while we’re on the topic of suffrage,
what about equality in general? You know, equal opportunity for all ethnicities,
all sexes, all classes, all ages, and all sexual preferences? Was this beacon of freedom and equality a
gift from Judaism or Christianity? Again, no. Judaeo-Christian edicts fervently oppose such
equality, demanding the subordination of women, the execution of homosexuals, and, as already
mentioned, the endorsement of slavery, and the execution of blasphemers – and so, again,
it’s no surprise that Medieval Europe embodied precisely just that. Now I could go on by tracing back the foundation
of all Western values and practices, such as Easter and Christmas (which are both pagan
festivals that have been appropriated by Christianity), but I think I’ve more than made my point. Western civilisation did not emerge from Judaeo-Christian
values; it emerged despite them. Western civilisation was conceived in ancient
Athens, and it most flourished during the Age of Enlightenment in direct opposition
to Judaeo-Christian values. Now don’t get me wrong, I appreciate and
acknowledge that many Jews and Christians played a significant role in shaping Western
morality, but they didn’t do so because of Judaeo-Christian values, they did so because
of their own, evolved moral conscious, which they then projected onto their religion. And that’s why, not surprisingly, “absolute”
divine laws are forever changing… Now just before I wrap up (and on a completely
different note), I’ve got a question for you all – would you possibly be interested
in a card game in which the purpose is to debunk theistic arguments by playing the right
fallacies, all while preventing your opponent from doing the same by playing action cards
such as “That’s just a theory”? If so, please let me know, because I have
a great game mechanic in mind, an awesome art direction, and I’d simply love to kickstart
the project… but first, I need to know if you’d be interested. Anyhow, as always, thank you kindly for the
view, and an extra special thank you to my wonderful patrons and those of you who’ve
donated via PayPal. Your support is what allows me to adequately
address claims such as this one, and so you have my sincere gratitude. Until next time my fellow apes, until next
time!

99 thoughts on “Western Civilization is Based on Judeo-Christian Values – Debunked

  1. I think what helped us to become a civilization:
    – the long history of philosophers (from the greeks to the age of enlightenment)
    – how we view Jesus, the main figure of Christianity: somebody who apparently didn't follow all of the rules (the famous story where he saved a woman from getting stoned to death)

    so over the many years, we took all the good parts of the philosophers, cherry-picked the good parts of Christianity and then modeled our believes based on that

  2. Life was nasty, brutisch and short also after the ten comandments. It was in fact nasty, brutish and short up until well into the twentieth century.

  3. I'm a Christian and a learned believer who is happy in his faith but cringe at bad history and grandstanding views out of context. Though we would probably not agree on theology I credit your overview on history of moral and socio-political development. You were respectful in your debunking and clear in your assessment of obvious contributions via the Judaeo-Christian worldview. Kind regards.

  4. Yes, but the morality of the faculty lounge appears to have flopped in pretty short order. It is a dogma espousing immorality, and finds the siren song of totalitarian government irresistible. A small example: How can we assure the safety of our students, yet be a welcoming atmosphere for power drinking and hookup culture? The answer, professor, is YOU CAN'T. This eludes academia. So much for your non-Judeo Christian morality.

  5. "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the
    government of any other." – John Adams

    "While just government protects all in their religious rights,
    true religion affords to government its surest support." – George Washington

    "It is religion and morality alone which can establish
    the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of
    a free constitution is pure virtue." – John Adams

  6. You have not understood judeo Christian worldview. It took about 1600 years to write the book we called Bible. So you need to understand the context of those 1600 years like ancient near Eastern world as compared to biblical community if you want to understand it. Your false view judeo Christian world view is becoz you start your analysis with the mindset of enlightenment thinkers. And Christianity has never been perfect and Bible was permitted to be read by common after the protestant reformation. Many church leaders have used Bible for their selfish gain or put people in darkness since they themselves don't understand well. But morality is not the main concern. The Bible affirms that this material world is a creation of a wise and loving God. So studying nature is a means of worship and showing reverence to God. And that is how the people started on the path of scientific enquiry. By the way galileo was executed not on science vs faith basis but on Roman Catholic vs protestantism. Yes I do approve of the fact that Greeks philosophers have emphasise on the imp of idea but what you need to know is that according to plato the good thing in our life is soul. And this soul is trapped in body. So soul needs to escape from the body. But in judeo Christian worldview, this material world including the stuff that constitute our body is a good creation of God. That's why after every act of creation, God will affirm it is 'good' . Many unthinking Christians adopted that greek idea of soul trapped in body to apply it to their dispensational Rapture theology. Need to do lots of reading including myself.

  7. Animal rights are not intrinsically hindu values but they are very much value vedic value which it shares with other school of thought in india

  8. If you can't be moral and eat a baby for your dinner if you are not controlled by a book or state law, how moral you behave, you're still a zombie.

  9. Humans are moral by nature. Their psychology is evolved to be moral. Because, Humans were weak comparing to their enemy predators and prey. Only unity among them gave them success and safety. Humans are moral by birth. That's their nature. The religion came in and modified that nature.

  10. This video is full of cherry picked examples, terrible argumentation and straw men, such nonsense. Just one example is you asserting that free speech is a central value of Western civilization and then showing that it didn't come from Christianity, for which you provide evidence, ok fine. Of course you never provided evidence for the initial assumption that free speech is a central value of Western civilization you just assert it (wrongly), because you think you and your fellow skep cuck rationalists and the pleb tier version of the Enlightenment you subscribe to gets to define what Western values are.

    Pro tip genius; you don't.

  11. Look, you are wasting time trying to "debunk" something which is actually true and trying to "debunk" it using logical fallacies. For example: it doesn't matter if the ten commandments are not original but borrowed from somewhere else because as far as western civilisation is concerned these notions were embedded in our culture through Christianity. It's a fact. Even if it didn't have to be like that, it was. Why is there the need for intellectual dishonesty when it comes to these facts? Why to deny the fact that Christianity ruled western civilisation for at least 1700 years and imply it had no positive effect on our culture?

    The way to honestly address this issue would be to agree that Christianity obviously shaped western culture but together with other beliefs which significantly changed the understanding of Christian influence as well which resulted in a secular understanding of morality rather than religious one.

  12. We where Christian for over a thousand years ,I am sure Christianity did do some good things in that time but I tip my fedora to you you mentioned slavery and the inquisition well done .

  13. I would be careful with the claim for a morality in animals. I saw you based that assumption on one article, which is fine, but the claim in that article is based on the opinion and conclusions on only one (or a few) scientist – conclusions qualified as controversial. As a vegan myself, I would really like for this to be true but the research on this topic has not been able to prove this because there are many flaws in experimental design and whether the conclusions that are drawn can be derived from these tests. You maybe don't understand French, but most sources cited in de description of this video (https://youtu.be/kfe5mCHepo8) provide more information about research conducted on this topic.

  14. I am not a fellow ape, but a descendent of the God-created man Adam and his wife Eve. Created in his image. I pity people like you who have believed such lies as evolution, a man-made foolish and impossible belief. Macroevolution never happened, it is impossible scientifically. It is a false belief that you all loved, because you wanted to get rid of God. Get wise. Many scientists are rejecting macroevolution because it is based on false assumptions, not on real science.

  15. I’m sorry, but it’s hard for me to take seriously a video that actually attempts to describe the origin and development of free speech in just 22 seconds. This video just doesn’t deal with the complexity of history with the kind of nuance and sophistication that history requires. The causal relationship between Christianity and Western values is not black and white but to say that these values arose “in spite” of Judeo-Christianity without any qualification at all reveals both a misunderstanding of Judeo-Christianity and history. It would have been a lot more interesting if you had actually responded to the many scholarly attempts to defend the claim you’re criticizing. For example, Nick Spencer’s, The Evolution of the West, Rodney Stark’s The Victory of Reason, Robert Louis Wilken’s Liberty in the Things of God, Tom Holland’s Dominion, or Larry Siedentop’s Inventing the Individual. In fact, that would be my challenge for your next video. Read one of those books and tell me why there is no historical credibility to what they are arguing.

  16. what you don't seem to know is this … both plato and aristotle give moses credit for some of their philosophical ideas.

  17. If you threaten Ben Shapiro in the wild he will spray you with a stream of Judeo Christian values from a duct on top of his tiny head.

  18. 3 1/2 minutes in and he already doesn't know what he's talking about. I doubt the rest of the video will be of any consequence since the very Foundation of his argument is fundamentally flawed.

  19. Please educate yourself. Only an ostrich says western values are not rooted in Christ's teachings. Throw out God and lets see what do you get….rise in suicides, 70 million Americans addicted to drugs, gay marriages (shall we ignore a person's anatomy?), parents allowing children to roll around in a library with perverts (drag queens) during children's story hour, depression skyrocketing among millennials, to name only a few….

  20. It's amazing how many people don't grab that Western Civilisation was no different to any other civilisation 200 years ago. Child labour was common, women's rights were non-existent, slavery etc. It's the embracing of the Scientific Enlightenment (and the resultant thinking that came with it) that makes Western Civilisation so great.

  21. Your ignorance is embarrassing .
    Try to remember that before Christian Europe was nothing but roman empire ,well know for its depravation ,slavery,,political chaos,a huge Babylon, of about 200 ' Gods"and barbaric tribes ,all bloody warlords ,polygamy ,slavery.and other many beliefs," Gods'etc.
    That is the zero point of what initial Europe was!
    Never the mentioned "prechristians values" contributed to Later Europe!About 1000 AC The Europe was already a quite uniform civilization in what all knowledge that time and all ideas could be stored ,changed and debated. All these was based on one common belief, values,mythology, education, academic language.
    Is that clear?
    First science basically was made by Christian Monk, again.
    The Atheist,first major 'achievement',one of their black serial ,was to kill the father of modern science, Antoine Lavoisier ,a Christian, in the name of 'progress ".Think again,how much earth make the nature in 2000 years? 10 cm?..OK..great,…Multiply 10 cm with some hundreds millions years divided by 2000!…Now where is that huge amount of humus?!… One sample of atheistic logic.

  22. Always enjoy your thought provoking and well researched videos. I would love to see one done on the following topic/idea – and perhaps you already have and I missed it: "Pro-life" Americans rarely if ever speak out against illegal American interventions that kill hundreds of thousands (Iraq), or even millions (Vietnam/Cambodia/Laos) of women and children. What is so "pro-life" about that? All the best – and thanks again.

  23. Missing Commandments
    Look at some of the immoral behavior that is missing. Thou shalt not commit:
    child abuse, rape, torture, slavery, cannibalism, genocide, bestiality, or necrophilia.
    In fact, many are either sanctioned or prescribed in Judeo-Christian-Muslim texts.

  24. Moral responsibility, on an individual level, wherein God is watching, that is the basis of what is being argued from the opposite end. Judeo-Christian is the platform on which moral evolution came to work itself out. The care for the meek is not moraly emphasized in Athens but is in Western Abrahamic

  25. We had the 10 commandments then the Jews left after the knowledge of their fathers rather than the knowledge of God. We have a constitution, but people are leaving that for the knowledge of retards today, rather than what the founders came up with. I can see that being a parallel. Also what about when the Constitution mentions God, Creator, Devine Providence, or when the liberty bell say Leviticus 25:10. This tells me God was apart of what the founders had in mind. Sure not all of them, but it is right there for all to see. Puritans are the ones who started American. Aka Christian's. So I can see why people say Judeo Christian values. That doesn't mean you have to believe in God. Our country is so badass you can be who ever you want! Even a fag!

  26. Quite a lot to unpack here. Missing a lot of world history in your analysis and I even have a head injury! lol just to mention one thing ( one would have to go over multiple examples to debunk the debunker, so I hope this video inspires people to not rely on this video and delve deeply into history because it ain’t so cut and dry. Interesting about the 1680’s date, as that is in the same century as the publishing of the King James Bible. Quite a Christian revival at that time with the “ Book of Common Prayer” in the 1660’s. 🤔 puzzle piece 🧩 if you don’t have all the pieces, the picture is not complete.

  27. Good video, although I think you're making the wrong assumption that people who think that Western society is based on Judeo-Christian values do not think there are social/biological predecessors to this religious beliefs upon which Judeo-Christian values are built. Both JP and Ben Shapiro have acknowledged these predecessors several times in interviews/lectures. After all, even religions did not appear out of thin air (check a book called "Darwin's Cathedral") and are based on social norms and moralities that precede them. I think the original assertion is simply based on one of the most pervasive religious (and thus behavioural) aspects and differences with other societies, and not on the fact that it came out of thin air, which is of course a non sequitur. Western society has roots Judeo-Christian values, which in turn has roots in other evolved social mechanism, which have roots on something else, ad infinitum. Great video anyway =)

  28. If western civilization is based on judeo-christian values then why was the enlightenment based on greco-roman values and humanism instead of Christianity.

  29. The Enlightenment included a range of ideas centered on reason as the primary source of knowledge and advanced ideals such as liberty, progress, toleration, fraternity, constitutional government and separation of church and state.

  30. Define water: Two hydrogen one oxygen
    Define god: Allah, Jesus, Vishnu, Hanuman, Zeus, Thor, Odin, Ra, Horus, Ceres, et cetera…

    No need for a god to be moral and have an ethical framework. Our shared biology and environment provide sufficient structure for our minds to arrive at a morality than maximizes well being and minimizes suffering all on our own. Gods are hyperactive projections of our mental states, often used to frame our emotions and give context to our lives through ritual and shared belief. Simply removing the deity does nothing other than move the mind closer to the reality we all briefly inhabit.

  31. Which Ten Commandments?
    Exodus 20 or Exodus 34?

    The stone tablet commandments say nothing about 'thou shall not murder' or 'thou shall not steal' (Exodus 34)

  32. Ben Shapiro:America is founded on Christian values, Jesus was a fine example of a good man.

    In the biblical tales Jesus cured the ill, and never demanded any payment from it.
    Ben Shapiro: HEALTHCARE IS NOT A RIGH! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT OVER MY WIFE'S WORK! THIS GOES AGAINST OUR VALUES!!!

  33. I thought it was not about killing and stilling it was about the freedoms we have ? Every other country in the world does not have our freedoms, you are also making assurtion on the bible, its a very simple view on the Bible. U keep making a statement with no reference, you just say no, and make statements, your not reading slavery correctly in the bible either. this is not a debunking at all. I was actually looking for a video that had statements that debunked the other side's arguments but you are really being facts. You are simply making assertions and statements and perceptions that if I go back and I read the story lines in the narratives in the Bible they actually say the opposite of what you're saying and God was asserting freedoms and leading people into freedoms and God never forced people to do anything they did it on their own well I see that God is wanting freedom not the opposite.

  34. This notion in itself is not debunked by this non-philosopher, but rather only the bad arguments given by these other non-philosophers. Nietzsche has written on this quite a bit, and the notion of slave-master morality and his critique of Christianity, described in On The Geneology of Morality and The Antichrist respectively, describe how the specific notion of empathy and truth being the highest virtues originate from Christian metaphysics and are therefore fundamentally Christian. Morality has been articulated almost everywhere where there is civilization, but the so-called slave morality is what we as modern (or postmodern) people adhere to even though we do not have a metaphysical grounding for it anymore. The Hegelian dialectic describes the evolution of ideas pretty well. The ironic thing about Shapiro here is that he gives the argument as if it supports his case, even though the opposite is true.

  35. About the Inquisition, read "Inquisition" by Henry Kamen. You may learn something.
    I find it funny, when talking about the Enlightenment they only mention the positive side (ideas that appeared somehow ex nihilo, jumping hundreds of years, even thousands, from Greece to France), forgetting the bad side, like the creation of modern racism, that justified the creation of modern slavery. When talking about Christianity they only mention the negative side, forgetting that the origin of the modern concept of human rights and international law lies in the friars working in the University of Salamanca (see School of Salamanca).

    So I think Rationality Rules is making this too much of a black and white thing, which is a fallacy in itself.

  36. You didnt convince much people, only retards who would have you argue against cut videos. You dont hold a single inch against Peterson, for example. The point stands, our morality comes from christianity and judaism.

  37. Western Civilization started in Athens. It was attacked relentlessly by Christian Fanatics during their rise to power. Eventually, Western Civilization was destroyed and vandalized by the Christians thus creating the Age of Ignorance know as the Dark Ages. Luckily we had a resurrection of Classical culture that defeated the Tyranny of the Church and established the Age of Enlightenment, which has given birth to the highest standard of living the world has ever known. All of these achievements were in spite of a hostile Christian cult that did everything it could to destroy Western Values.

  38. Judeo-Christianity is incompatible with Western Values. The Golden Age of Christianity was called "THE DARK AGES" for a reason folks.

  39. Exactly. The further we move away from the morality of Judeo Christianity, the more morally good we become.

    Western Civilisation has progressed thus far DESPITE being hindered by religion.

    To state otherwise is to reveal a profound ignorance of history.

  40. But like how is WC actually defined? What is considered WC is not only currently heterogeneous and diverse, and has been varied across time including democracy, monarchy, theocracy, socialism, capitalism, Christian faith, Greek, Roman, Nordic, and pagan gods. So…what are we even talking about when we say WC?

  41. The first half of the video addresses the evolutionary basis of human moral psychology. That's great, but it offers zero support for the argument that Western Civilization does not have a Judeo-Christian underpinning. Why no discussion of Christian influences in art, culture, philosophy, literacy, music, science, or medicine? Somehow, all positive human advancements receive a blanket dismissal as having occurred "despite" their contemporary Judeo-Christian historical context. Really? Based on what evidence? You know what they say about claims made without evidence…

  42. @Rationality Rules Before the Saxons were brought into the christian fold they elected their king and women also spoke at meetings and their words were held in regard.

  43. How many slaves did Jesus free?

    Not one.

    The words abomination and abominations appear in the New King James Version of the Bible 152 times.

    But forgot to mention slavery is an abomination.

  44. "This country is based on Judeo Christian Values"
    Completely ignores the hard-on Christianity had for the Greek/Roman pantheon since the middle ages.

  45. Christian teachings are full of clichés, some of them are even immoral: Turn the other cheek (do not defend yourself), do not worry about the morrow (do not plan ahead), if you don’t follow me you shall be cast to eternal damnation (against the principle of proportionality), a god that cannot stop evil and human suffering (Epicurean argument). The Christian religion is based on the selfish worship of man by man who deified his egotistical self. A religion founded on scapegoating, whereby god sacrificed god to god to save god’s children from god’s wrath, because god could not just forgive us.

  46. This video is composed of false information from foolish understanding of Judeo-Christian values/religion and confusion erected form confused individuals making up their own stories that differ from what history really tells us. People argue that western civilization is from Romans and Greeks… Well, greeks practiced the orthodox christian religion for a very long time and romans adopted the roman catholic religion when the Roman Emperor Constantine tolerated it. "The Edict of Milan, a proclamation that permanently established religious toleration for Christianity within the Roman Empire. It was the outcome of a political agreement concluded in Mediolanum (modern Milan) between the Roman emperors Constantine I and Licinius in February 313 A.D." Then as time went on, the roman Catholic religion became prominent in the Roman Empire.
    So people who deny that Judeo-Christian values are not the based of the Western Civilization and insist it is based from the Romans and Greeks, well then, you have a dilemma. Because Roman (having the Catholic religion)and Greek (Orthodox religion) values are based from Christianity, which itself, is based from Judaism. Therefore, coming back to the same conclusion that WESTERN CIVILIZATION IS BASED FROM JUDEO-CHRISTIAN VALUES.

  47. Evangelicals overwhelmingly voted for a lying corrupt adulterer for president so some might question Judeo-Christian values.

  48. I wouldn't deny that the people making the claim that western morals are based on Judeo-Christian values do so in passing statements with little or no justification. The problem is that you don't seem to be doing much better.

    Saying that morality is just our avoidance of or pursuit of pain/pleasure (I'm not sure you glossed over it so quickly) and then moving on as if that's a fact does the same you're accusing the "Judeo-Christian" guys of doing. Just sprinting through what should be hours of discussion and reading without really examining it.

  49. Another problem with this lie is the fact that it only speaks of the politics and life of europeans.
    It never mentions the Politics and lifestyles of Huemans! Those Not White.

  50. Western Civilization was based on Roman and Greek principles, absolutely nothing to do Jews or Pagans or Christians.

    Also, you have a really poor understanding of Christianity and the Bible. Christians don't follow the Old Testament, FYI.

  51. Western values are based on humanity and science. Not any religion or race.
    I love western culture and follow it even living in a country like india❤

  52. Morality is just another BS human construct used as a means of control. Animals do not have morality, they only have instinct.

  53. While western culture was built on Judeo-Christian values, its government was secular. It was based on separation of religion and government. Religious law were not implemented into state law.

  54. What? The graeco-roman values survived in the christian church through the middle-ages. Vergil himself was Dantes guide through inferno, pugatory and into paradise in the Divina Comedia. The pagan traditions survived inside christianity in a new shape but with lots of its original content intact. Atheists have this horrendous idea that the middle-ages was this unproductive "hole" in history that is completely and utter nonsense and counter-factual. The very idea of humanism was formulared by priests in the reneissance (Thomas Moore and Erasmus et.al). The closer one came to the Vatican, the fewer witches were burnt. Thomas Aquinas could without any problems read the rediscovered (kept by the muslims) Aristotle and formulate what is basically the main fundament of catholic theology: scholasticism. He was canonized for this. To claim that the greek-roman values would have survived in any better condition without christianity is pure counterfactual speculation. I will go so far as to say that the judeo-christian values is inseperable from the hellenistic ideas of late antiquity and merely the one surviving version of them.

  55. But Mayan civilisation mass human sacrifices was immoral and Spanish morality put a stop to it a first principal of Judaism

  56. This is a very unbalanced view of history.

    4:46 No Christian, today, actually believes that someone should be stoned for blasphemy.

    5:01 Yes Christians prosecuted the Inquisition, but other Christians were instrumental in developing the theory and institution of freedom around the world.

    5:12 Judeo-Christians don't have to have been the first to come up with the idea, for the claim to be true. It's still a historically valid statement to say that Western Civilization is based on Judeo-Christian values, because during the Enlightenment, in particular, liberty became a fixture of Christian values, through the idea of Natural Law.

    5:19 Both the British Bill of Rights and the French Revolution were inspired by Classical Liberalism. Classical Liberalism, in turn, incorporated Natural Law as part of it's beliefs. Liberty was argued to be based on natural rights endowed into us by the Creator, and was argued out of Biblical beliefs. One such argument (there are actually many presented by Locke in his first treatise) was that all men are created in the image of God, therefore no, one man may rule over others absolutely.

    5:43 " . . . that so characterizes the West . . . "

    Except that slavery existed just about everywhere in the ancient world–not just in the West. For instance, in China, there's evidence of slavery going back 2000 years, in the Shang dynasty. There is also evidence of slavery in Ancient India. It would be more accurate to say that slavery is characteristic of the ancient and pre-modern world.

    6:19 And yet Christians were very prominent in having a hand in abolishing slavery:

    "Christian Abolitionism"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Abolitionism

    It's said that Christians were at the forefront of the movement.

    7:03 This is not entirely true. A theocracy is one ruled by priests and the Church. This is something that ended with King Saul. And some have argued that the seeds for today's democracy were present in Saul's and David's reign:

    "Comparing King David's Government and America's Government"
    http://www.jewishmag.com/144mag/king_david/king_david.htm

    It appears that, while both were appointed, they appear to have had popular support at the time. This could be said to be the seed of the idea that the consent of the people is required for rule. King Saul's reign is dated to about 11th century BC. The Athenian democracy is dated to about the 6th century BC. In other words, this idea of popular support seems to predate the Athenian by at least 5 full centuries.

    And what of freedom of speech? In 1 Samuel 11:12-13, the people of Jabesh Gilead wanted to put to death those that dissented from Saul's rule, but Saul wisely refused. This could be argued to be an early seed of freedom of speech. Again, this was a full 5 centuries before the Athenian democracy.

    It was also argued, by example of Nathan's rebuke of King David, after his affair with Bathsheba, the wife of Uriah, the Hittite, that there was a sort of checks and balances of sorts that may have been going on in David's kingdom. The king couldn't just do anything he pleased.

    7:57 It's resurgence in Enlightenment values was through Natural Law, which was based largely on Christian values.

    8:40 Although many did not, many Christians, arguing their beliefs, actually supported the women's suffrage movement:

    "The complex role of faith in the women’s suffrage movement"
    https://religionnews.com/2019/06/04/the-complex-role-of-faith-in-the-womens-suffrage-movement/

  57. I see where this guy is coming from, but I think he's not getting to the core of the argument here. I'm pretty sure shapiro and peterson arent talking about values like free speech or equality. They're talking more fundamental and bedrock morals like do not steal, kill, cheat on your spouse, lie to get other people in trouble (false accusations etc.). I could be wrong, but I think his point is being made around the actual argument without really addressing it

  58. Why have people started saying that the West was built on Judaeo-Christian values? This is a recent development as traditionally we refereed to our Western homelands as Christian countries not Judaeo-Christian. Judaism has played practically no part in our histories.If you toured Britain you will find a church in practically every village in the land and multiple churches in towns and cities . You will not find many Jewish places of worship and nearly all of those in London. Historical Jews have not been welcome in Britain and for long periods there were none residing within. The West was built on Christian values and this usage of the words ' Judaeo-Christian' to me is false. It's like Judaism is claiming a gold medal for a race it never ran in.

  59. Judaeo-Christian values don't depend on a God existing to be a thing, no matter what Dennis Prager says. Peterson has the right idea. We act on these values because they're second nature to us. They become second nature because you can't participate in society without them. Knowing where they came from is not required.

    Yes, you're right. These values did not originate in Christianity. They developed over time in many different religions and were absorbed into Christianity. But they're still what are regarded to be the values of Christianity. But then you're absolutely wrong to suggest Christianity ever ended, and that it wasn't in a philosophical state of flux from day one. It was alive and still evolving 200 years ago, and it's still alive and evolving today, resulting in most of this video revolving around a false premise. But I'll take it on anyway.

    Wait a minute, before the 10 commandments life was civilized and just peachy? I don't think we can say life is civilized and peachy right now. Slavery still exists in the world, you know. And then there's the odd suicide bomber. But at least we can say Christian values don't support that stuff anymore. And though you state dismissively that the advance to denouncing slavery happened a mere 200 years ago. (Stated as if that's like 2 minutes to you.) But isn't it lovely that Christian values contain something that makes them so adaptable that they could reject slavery. I mean, it's not like anything else in the world was going to do it. Odds are you'd be owning slaves right now if not for Christian values.

    Yes, we evolved social norms, and we made religions to enshrine them. Of course, some religions enshrine worse ideas than others. You could have been born in Iran and have been living under Muslim values all this time. You should be grateful for what you've got. Oh, sorry. That's a Christian value.

    Animals display moral behavior. How does that work? Do they give thanks before they eat each other? Me thinks you should cross the great green greasy Limpopo River and ask the crocodile about his morality.

    I don't think you've answered the question of where morality comes from at all. You've advanced an unproven theory, having given much less falsifying to it than it deserves. You know, there are different levels of moral development all over the world to be observed. Have you noticed that places not touched by Christian values tend not to develop them. Whether God has anything to do with it or not, one can certainly conclude that there is at least one value in Christianity that insures its moral advancement, makes it a really good thing that tends to work against barbaric instincts.

    Also, you did not make it clear whether those previous civilizations that developed laws were religious or not. If they were religious or not godless, your argument is invalidated. Boiled down to its basics, religion means rules. And you wouldn't have laws without a concept of rules. I'm no expert, but it seems highly probable that early laws were part of the religion.

    Is free speech a Christian value? Well, according to Jordan Peterson it's not only in The Bible, but it's the main point of the whole religion. Granted Christians didn't honor it until relatively recent history. But it was an idea that occurred to the Christian founding fathers. So where could they have gotten it except from meditating on The Bible?

    How do you get to free speech from The Bible, Jordan Peterson's idea aside? In Christianity you have The Golden Rule, which makes you measure every human indignity as if it were being done to you, and how you would like it. I dare say the entire Bill Of Rights came out of that. And who enjoys being told to shut up? So basically it's Christian values, not human nature, that makes us think, "This causes us pain. Therefore this is bad enough to denounce in law." Human nature says, "This causes pain. I can use this to threaten people and get my way."

    Slavery. Regardless of what happened previously, and enlightenment is only achieved through bad experiences, the abolition of slavery is a well documented Christian idea, whether you like it or not. Yes, there are passages in The Bible that recognize slavery and say nothing against it. But there is one passage in The Bible that reverses every other passage that can be in any way regarded as being unkind or unfair to others. And that is what could be referred to as the prime directive of Christianity. Or, as they call it, The Golden Rule, which ensured that slavery could not be endured forever, regardless of how many passages could be brought up to justify it. Therefore, anti-slavery became a Christian value.

    It's true Christianity didn't invent democracy. Indeed, the Christian founding fathers regarded it as a fatally flawed concept, worth the risk only with the most guarded of restraints. That's why America is not, and never has been, a true democracy. America has instead the rule of law. And all laws were theoretically to be created with the utmost care, with the hopeful guidance of God, or at least with the intent not to affront him. We could have a fun discussion of how long it took them to theoretically start offending God. But you can tell by the way they plastered his name on everything that they wanted to be constantly put in mind of a higher authority judging them. Thus, to suggest that anything they created at that point didn't have to be held up to their current understanding of Christian values is pure denial of history.

    Is equality a Christian value? Well, you can say this is supported by The Golden Rule as well, but the question that occurs to me is where else do you find it, other than countries with a notorious Christian history? You certainly don't find it in Islam. Someone might pop up and suggest that you'd find equality in a Communist state. But then some people are more equal than others, aren't they?

    Of course, we see today that people aren't happy with equality. They regard equality as bigotry. No, they want equity, which is a distinctly not Christian idea. Which is why activist groups are now not only anti-equality, but anti-Christian and anti-America. So, obviously they bundle equality with the Christian values they want to be destroyed. And if SJW's would proclaim equality a Christian value, I would not venture to dispute the matter.

  60. I like how you literally think christianity was completely irrelevent to history and to humanity's behavour today.
    An old ass slab does not "debunk" that. Go read Aion.
    Ffs christianity is influenced by Greek mythology too. Its all relevent, but that does not debunk its influence.
    Suck it up and accept religions influence on the world in the past and today, your not above it and never will be.

    And if its not religion its spirituality, like the cave paintings of god like creatures painted by cavemen.

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