Why I’m A Vegan Against Animal Welfare

Why I’m A Vegan Against Animal Welfare

Grant Barnes: Would you clarify your position
on welfarism. Sure. I feel like a politician: clarify my position. Hi it’s Emily from Bite Size Vegan and welcome
to another vegan nugget. When I recently held back-to-back live Q&A
sessions on Facebook and YouTube, there were so many great questions but such limited time. If you missed either of the Q&A sessions,
the links to those videos are in the description below. So today I wanted to provide a more comprehensive
answer to an important question I received on the Facebook live stream: what is your
position on animal welfare, or more specifically, welfarism. If you haven’t guessed by this point: I
am not a welfarist. Shockingly, the title of this video is not
click bait. For those not familiar, animal welfare, animal
rights, and animal liberation are not synonymous terms or approaches. In this video, we’re not going to get into
the nuances of rights vs liberation, but I will explore that further in a separate installment. For the purposes of this video, I’ll just
use the term liberation. Both animal welfare and animal liberation
operate on the premise that non-human animals are sentient beings capable of suffering,
and thus deserving of consideration and protection. The exact nature of this consideration is
where the approaches diverge. Welfarism seeks to improve conditions for
animals within the existing systems of our food, entertainment, research, and commercial
industries, as well as provide protection for pets and wild species impacted by human
activity. In regards to so-termed “food animals,”
free-range, cage-free, grass-fed, and humane labels are products of welfarism. I address the welfarist/humane approach in
many videos, and I go into great depth in my speech “The Best We Have To Offer.” See the description for links. But I felt it would be valuable to address
this question in a dedicated video and in a more conversational manner than my more
highly academic, comprehensive speeches. There are several issues with the welfarist
approach. Welfare regulations are designed to spare
animals any “unnecessary” suffering—the unspoken implication being that some suffering
is necessary when it benefits humans. Animals are still relegated to property status,
every aspect of their lives and deaths dictated by humans. Animal liberation denies the superiority of
humans to other species and vehemently rejects the belief that one can kill with compassion. There has long been active debate between
welfare and liberation camps. There are vegans within the welfare camp who
argue that though the ultimate goal is total liberation, there is value in improving the
conditions for those animals currently in our systems of exploitation. While there is certainly validity in this
position, I find it vital to take an honest look at what welfare regulations actually
mean for the beings they are designed to protect. This is the entire premise of my speech from
Dublin Ireland. I spent many hours pouring over some of the
most advanced animal welfare laws in the world—the very best we have to offer—to determine
the actual implication for the animals. I’ll share a particularly telling example
that I covered in my response during the Q&A: So the EU had this whole thing of banning
battery cages for laying hens. And everyone was like ‘Ooh, laying hens,
eggs in the EU they’re not in battery cages – we’re great!’ And that’s what the public hears, but when
you actually look into the legislation, and people are like “well now, layer hens are
going to get 750 square centimeters each it’s going to be fantastic!’ What actually happened is instead of battery
cages—or “barren” battery cages—they now live in “enriched” battery cages,
which means battery cages with some furniture and maybe a little more space. So, it even says in the legislation 750 sq
cm per chicken, 600 of which are usable. So really each chicken has 600. A barren battery cage chicken has 550. So this groundbreaking thing that everyone
freaked out about gives chickens an extra 50 sq cm each. And now they have furniture to bump into and
because laying hens are bred to produce eggs insanely frequently, they have very brittle
bones, they are very prone to osteoporosis and fractures and now they have more stuff
to bump into and so they actually have higher fracture rates. And non-caged hens have twice the mortality
rate of battery-caged hens. So, when we look at this, what are we really
improving? What it seems that we are accomplishing with
welfare is making ourselves feel better about doing the exact same thing that we’ve been
doing, but now we don’t have to worry about it. That doesn’t really do much for the animals,
I don’t think. This was done, like 1999 or something, when
it came time so now the ban is supposed to be in place, there were, I think it was 9
that said either we’re not going to be ready or we might not be ready or probably not going
to be ready. This was 12 years later. They had 12 years to add 50 sq cm per chicken
and some furniture, and they couldn’t do it. I mean it’s astoundingly ineffective. And I think it does so much damage because
what the public sees, and what people see is: “eggs are now humane.” And when you look at it, the EU started eating
more and more and more eggs when this happened. So, it actually seems to make it worse for
the animals because now the demand is even higher. Humane stuff is, I think, incredibly dangerous
because it gives us the ability – I mean, we’re human, and we will do anything we
can to not have to change a darn thing about what we’re doing. If we can keep doing what we want to do and
feel good about it, that’s like the holy grail and that’s what welfarism allows us
to do. As far as what it does for the animals – I
don’t think much, honestly. This ability to continue exploiting animals
without guilt is what I mean when I say that welfarism and humane treatment are worse than
factory farming. Here is another concrete example from Ireland,
one of the most idealized countries for humane treatment of farmed animals. Just prior to this portion of the speech,
I’d covered how mother pigs are confined in farrowing crates throughout their pregnancy,
only to have their babies taken time and again: The sooner her babies are taken, the faster
she can “re-enter production.” At her “time of service,” the astounding
term for forceful penetration of her vagina with an instrument full of boar semen, she
may legally be chained in place, one of the number of exceptions allowing the tethered
restrained of pigs. Tethering stalls as a whole, where pigs were
chained in place all the time were outlawed by the EU in 1995, but as we’ll continually
see with all regulations, this came with ample exceptions, loopholes, and a 10 year window
for implementation. In 1998 91% of Ireland’s mother pigs were
still confined to sow stalls or tethered. And when sow stalls, also known as gestation
crates, were subsequently outlawed through a 2001 EU decision, again with ample fine-print
exceptions and only for a certain portion of their pregnancy, Ireland was one of nine
member states found to be non-compliant in 2013, with the European Commission stating
they’d “had twelve years to ensure a smooth transition to the new system and to implement
the Directive.” The ineffectiveness of welfare legislation
is not isolated to any one country or governing body, though the level of supposed protection
does vary greatly. For example, in the United States there are
no federal laws governing the treatment of animals in our food industry. Absolutely none. We do have an Animal Welfare Act, first passed
in 1966, but like so many welfare acts around the world, it completely excludes animals
raised for food, as do the majority of state anti-cruelty regulations. While animal advocates blame this lack of
legal protection for the allowance of such cruel practices as intensive confinement,
routine mutilation, including the removal of testicles, tails, horns, beaks, or toes
without any anesthetic, and the live grinding up of male chicks in the egg industry, among
other atrocities, welfare legislation does not by default eradicate such abuse. For example, it’s a worldwide standard to
dispose of male chicks by tossing them into a grinder while fully conscious. This isn’t a barbaric practice isolated
to corrupt, abusive facilities. Grinding babies is a welfare regulation. It’s part of the “necessary suffering.” If you’re wondering why this hasn’t been
exposed on the news, it has. And every time it’s people are appalled,
outraged, disgusted. They wonder how any person or industry could
be so barbaric. And they continue to eat eggs, not realizing
they’ve just answered their own question. The European Commission estimates that the
EU kills 330 million chicks every year, with global estimates at 3.2 billion. I could talk about this subject for days and
still not cover everything. And I’ll certainly continue to explore its
depths in future videos. But I think perhaps what may bring the most
clarity regarding the efficacy of welfarism, is imagining these measures being applied
to ourselves: I mean it really is absurd when we step back
and think about it. Do we have manuals on how to humanely rape
hamans? Or how to compassionately kidnap? Or ethically rob? Of course not because those are oxymorons. They cannot coexist. But when it comes to our treatment of animals,
we will bend over backwards and create massive paper trails of regulations to feel good about
what we are doing. We turn these living beings into data points,
flowcharts, and percentages—calculate to a decimal point’s certainty the exact cost
of every aspect of their lives and details for their deaths. We relegate the annual mass murder of over
3 billion day-old conscious, innocent babies to a footnote. A footnote in a study conducted for the welfare
regulations we’re so graciously creating. We deem them legally sentient, deserving freedom
from hunger, thirst, discomfort, pain, injury, disease, fear, distress and mental suffering,
as the EU did—then use this very recognition of their capacity to feel the same emotions
and sensations as we do to design—in language so disturbingly detached it’s nothing short
of sociopathic—the exact manner in which we may legally violate, imprison, cut, burn,
alter, and murder them. This is how profoundly illogical our thinking
is when it comes to animals. It goes against all basic human understanding. Knowing better but doing wrong anyway is worse
than having no knowledge. Yet we have the audacity to hold this legislative
recognition of non-human sentience on high as a giant step forward for the rights of
animals. As if systematically exploiting individuals
with fully admitted knowledge and comprehension of their capacity to suffer is something to
commend. Look what we offer ourselves as evidence of
progress: one news report extolled the reduction in animals slipping and falling on their way
to slaughter in one abattoir in one country. When we look at our actions from the other
side, the perverse absurdity of our deluded self-congratulations is astounding. If you were in the place of these beings,
how grateful would you feel if your captor laid down a bathmat on the ramp to your execution? Is this really the best we have to offer? Being the most courteous murderers? The most considerate rapists? Pouring untold resources into these convoluted
laws and regulations, all the while completely blind to the fact that there’s another option
entirely. I hope this video has more thoroughly illustrated
why I’m not a welfarist. I’d encourage you to see the links I’ve
provided below as well as on the blog post for this video to do your own further research. If you really want to dive in, see my full
speech from Ireland, and its respective blog post. As I’ve said many, many times, in order
to make informed decisions, to look ourselves in the mirror and ask if we are truly living
the values we purport to have, we must know the truth. We must educate ourselves about what is really
going on, not rely on what we’ve been taught. We must make decisions based on facts, not
fantasy. This is why I am so emphatic about putting
in the hours upon hours of research to get to the truth. To provide what the laws actually say, not
simply offer my personal opinion. I’ll leave you with the powerful words of
Alex Herschaft, the founder of the Farm Animal Rights Movement and a Holocaust survivor: “I don’t believe in small improvements to
the living conditions of the chickens and cows. Slightly increasing the sizes of the cages
is like giving me a hot meal while I’m imprisoned in the ghetto. It’s like asking an abusive man to continue
beating his wife but in a less brutal manner. The solution is for all of us to stop eating
meat, eggs and dairy products.” Please share this video with your friends,
family, and within any discussions of animal welfare, so that others may find solid, cited
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for fresh vegan content every week. Now go live vegan, don’t buy the humane
lie, and I’ll see you soon. Our rationalizations and justifications are
of no use to those whom we exploit. For the cow, the pig, the chicken, duck, turkey,
for the lamb or sheep—they don’t know the name of the company or person enslaving
them. They don’t know what size the farm is or
in what country. They are just as robbed of their rights and
their lives regardless of location.

100 thoughts on “Why I’m A Vegan Against Animal Welfare

  1. There's one thing I disagree with you about; it's that people feel guilty about eating meat and look to AW as an excuse to continue eating it. I don't see that at all. As the only vegan, I see it in my workplace every day. A few examples:
    -We have two women who are very proud of their cooking and every morning brag about the meat-laden dinners they had made the prior evening. Both women are very well-read, and one day the conversation veered toward commercial farming methods, and they both discussed, quite accurately, how chickens are raised and agreed that they "understood why someone would want to be veg." Then they just sort of shrugged and grinned and went right back to discussing how good chicken is, the next chicken dishes they're planning, etc. (And they neither eat nor even acknowledge "free range" meats.)
    -A coworker asked me why I don't eat dairy, and listened respectfully as I described the way cows are treated. That same day and those thereafter, he ordered his usual cheese-and-pepperoni pizza from a fast food pizza place for lunch.
    -I expressed concern to another woman about some stray cats I had seen. She replied, "I know that's your thing, but I just don't care about animals." Yes, that's the exact phrasing she used.
    So no, I don't think animal welfare helps assure vast numbers of people to continue eating meat, and that they'd consider veganism if not for them. What I see is people who have long ago made their choice and are comfortable with it. They either are firm in their conviction that God gave us animals to use, or that animal rights is essentially like a hobby–"sure, it's fine for you, that's your thing, but it doesn't interest me" sort of thing.

  2. Whats the difference between animal rights and animal liberation? they are both positive things rifght? i agree that wellfare is shit

  3. Do you know how I can find some animal abuse footage that has no copyright issues attached? I'm making a compilation video. Any help would be appreciated.

  4. The system only placates animal rights advocates to try and get a little good press so they can keep slaughtering sentient beings for profit. It never has anything to do with helping the animals. If it did, they'd shut down their business and stop what they're doing. I love what you're doing and the message you're spreading, Emily. Keep it up!

  5. This video is so helpful because a lot of people don't know what welfare even is this will just make me look into things more even as a vegan thank you!!!

  6. Thank you for this video, Emily. This isn't a topic talked about often, especially not with the level of care and detail that you put into this video on the subject. <3

  7. I've killed with compassion though; when dogs have gotten very old and are at the end of their lives, to prevent more suffering I have them humanely euthanized…if only we could all have that sort of death. Confining, enslaving and killing strictly to use them is what is wrong and can never be "humane." So I get your points and agree, but humane killing is really a thing, including for humans.

  8. Hi Emily! 🌱 can you do a video about eating disorders and going vegan. There's a lot of people saying vegan is an eating disorder 💚

  9. I'm against animal welfare too. Many vegans see animal welfare regulations as "baby steps", but that's not what they are. Those regulations only allow non-vegans to remain in denial until it comes to light that the regulation doesn't work. Then a new regulation is implemented and yet again ignored by the animal products industry. Meanwhile, nothing changes for the animals that are being brutally slaughtered. The only thing that has worked so far is people reducing their intake of animal products, that's it. Nothing else works.

  10. https://answersingenesis.org/are-humans-animals/should-animals-have-equal-rights-humans/?utm_source=facebook-aig&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=facebook-aig

  11. Excellent arguments and well done video, Emily. Thank you.

    For years, I have been pointing out the dangers of "welfarism" and why welfarism actually impedes abolition goals….not supports it. About 15 years ago, there was an article in a U.S. magazine dedicated to women's issues andthis article mentioned how egg consumption (by its readers who responded to a survey, if my memory serves me well) went up after battery hen welfare legislation was passed. It was crystallized in my mind then at that point that welfarism is clearly the wrong path to stumble down if the goal is to most meaningfully help animals.

    There are many reasons why welfarism is not the right answer to helping animals and I hope you can explore some more of them in upcoming videos, Emily. As usual, I'll be sharing this video.

  12. Well said. It sounds good to be for animal welfare, but it's not that clear after all. It does more damage than good, none of it is okay even if the label says 'humane' or 'free range'.

  13. Emily- thank you so much for yet another much needed, perfectly researched and curated video. I wish everybody on the planet would see it and take it to heart. Thank you for doing what you do.

  14. When I first went vegan, I thought that any improvement in conditions was a step forward, but after learning more about animal welfare regulations, I've realized it's just to make people feel better about themselves. I think many vegans are so frustrated by how long it's taking to make the world understand veganism, that they want to ease the suffering of those who are trapped in the system. But it unquestionably makes things worse. I think DxE has been doing a great job revealing what goes on at "humane" "organic" operations. Let the omnivores push for animal welfare. Vegans should be advocating for nothing less than total liberation.

  15. You have not addressed the argument made by vegans of welfarism not as a goal, but as means to get people to think about the animal perspective. And by at first choosing such options, that making them open to further consideration, more open to a conversation about veganism, on the grounds of consistency by his/her own actions. As his/her choice of the "humane" label states in action "I care about the experience of animals (to some extent)". Then one can mention if you care about them why to kill them and subject them to suffering when it is not necessary.
    As they read the deceitful labels, there is a mental image on the conditions the animals are going through, that would not pop in mind otherwise.
    Political discussion on animal welfare on some forms of exploitation may be another way to make people think about the topic.
    Of course that it may have also the effect of being laid back on the happy exploitation for some. Yet I guess welfaism may not be an enemy to liberation, but an adjuvant force. Even though I would not waste my time on such a petty form of activism.

  16. Thank you for this presentation. It has brought me to tears because I feel so hopeless. Many of my friends and family tell me they don't want to know. I want to crawl into a corner and cry.

  17. Thank you for this presentation. It has brought me to tears because I feel so hopeless. Many of my friends and family tell me they don't want to know. I want to crawl into a corner and cry.

  18. It's true, the 'improved conditions' just make people feel better about paying for the eventual stabbing in the neck of the animals

  19. Hey Emily I am also Emily weird right anyway I wanted to say that I really support you because you speak so much truth and I love that. I find it amazing that you can get the truth out no matter how hard it is for you. So I wanted to say thank you for all these videos you make!💗🐮🐷🐣. I also wanted to say that you really helped me through my transformation to being a vegan and it got really hard sometimes but you helped me realize that it was the best thing to do so also thank you for that.❤️🌎🐾

  20. You make a lot of good points, but the problem is that liberation is impossible in our current culture. As much as I wish we could outlaw all exploitation of animals, it's unrealistic and completely writing off legislative steps as ineffective instead of looking at better enforcement is ridiculous. I know it's hard to understand why people would reject any attempt at animal liberation when faced with the horrors of animal farming, because I struggle with that despite living with my completely non-vegan family. But still, isn't it slightly better to be enslaved with access to fresh water than without. I know it sucks, but we have to realize that it will take a lot more time to convince people of the merits of veganism than to convince legislators of the merits of slightly better conditions. If we can reduce their suffering even a little bit while we work on convincing humans that we need to end the suffering, isn't that worth something?

  21. it's not very humane of Ontario Humane societies to adhere to the pound seizure law as dictated by the provincial Animals for Research act :'(

  22. Thank you for this video!!! Never knew there was a difference in the terminology between welfare and liberation, but it's really good to know!

  23. I agree that small improvements in the animal farming industry isn't going to do anything impactful,but I do have criticisms.Firstly,I understand fully your position,but your solution is to make people stop eating meat/other APs all together.But,the issue is that isn't going to happen and it's FAR from realistic.So,you could do a few radical things:pass laws to ban animal consumption/agriculture or pass laws to improve animals in the agricultural process.The first option is ridiculous considering it would never pass and plus it would be bad considering its lack of personal choice in diet from a unbiased viewpoint.I think the best ways to is to help people with resources to transition to vegetarianism,veganism,or even flexitarianism.Then,support legislation to improve animal housing,supplying,and killing in agriculture in terms of laws that are fully understood of course.I love your message Emily of love,kindness,and support for animal and animal rights,but opposition to animal rights laws,encouraging vegetarianism,and shadowing negative assumptions on to meat-eaters.Not being rude towards you,your cause,or veganism but I'm just stating my opinion.

  24. Emily, I am an educator. I have several degrees, all in the education field. I would like to expand my teaching to include educating others about veganism and all that that implies. I have watched several of your videos and I like that you include facts, statistics, researched-based evidence, etc. Although I have children who are "tech-savvy" when it comes to YouTube, vlogging, videos, livestreams, etc., aren't really my milieu. My strong suit is actually writing. From what I've gathered from some of your speeches, your writing seems to be very articulate and educated as well. I was wondering if you would like to write a book, or at least an article with me, talking about the topics presented in your videos. You're probably very busy with your videos, speeches and other things, so if you don't have time to take on such a project, I completely understand. I would just like to play more of a significant role in creating big change for the sake of animals.

  25. Tangential note- the ad before the video was AirNZ. I have heard they do really great vegan special meals available on request and though we fly subload and cant request special meals the staff are always helpful. I flew Auckland to Perth and back this month with my two kids and both flights though I packed extensive food options we were taken care of by staff offering everything they had available

  26. Finally something of yours I can share on my timeline! This video will actually click bait a lot of meat eaters who are into animal welfare that ignore the other vegan posts..but I bet they will watch this as the tittle will annoy them enough to make them see why I'd say that.

  27. I think rather than see it as an 'either/or' scenario, you need to see it on a continuum. The bitter war between welfare reformists and abolitionists has to stop as it is really counter productive. Don't get me wrong, there is NO such thing as 'humane' meat, never has been, never will be. However we are currently living in a climate where 1.2 billion farmed animals are slaughtered every week, 95% of which were raised in factory farms, so we have a really long way to go before we are even close to a vegan world (despite the encouraging increasing popularity of the movement) and in the meantime pushing for reform is more achievable and realistic, and whilst it isn't the ultimate ideal or end goal, it is a substantial improvement.
    The most effective strategy to promote veganism and end animal suffering would be for abolitionists and reformists to work together, rather than the abolitionists wasting their energy on infighting with the reformists. In terms of which approach has so far been more influential on the lives of animals I think the reformists have managed to implement more change (ie bigger cages, banning of gestation crates etc) and whilst this is nowhere near close to enough, it has made things somewhat better for the animals in what is a less than perfect world which is not going to go completely vegan any time soon. The abolitionists should aim to work alongside the welfare reformists to ensure that the ultimate end goal (veganism) is not forgotten, and it doesn't just stop at welfare reform. We are stronger together rather than fighting amongst ourselves.

  28. Holy shit look what not being smart enough to eat a proper duet has stunted your growth and development .
    Those stupid low quality Tats show not eating right has effected your mind . Wearing tank tops to show off those tats is really childish

  29. Best of luck to you in selling the idea of animal liberation, truth is you will never win that fight, we still absolutely require animals for many key functions in law enforcement, search and rescue, the medical field, and dealing with the disabled, and no matter how much you insist otherwise some people do not take well to the vegan diet trust me I am one of them. Welfare while not perfect is acceptable to the general public, even omnivores like me agree with that. It is fine to have a larger goal and a dream but fight some battles that you can win and start changing things rather then this dictator vegan control or nothing BS.

  30. I do feel annoyance when I go into Whole Foods and see Animal Welfare signs around their animal products, but I honestly thought it's because I'm vegan and see the problem with "welfare"…but I honestly didn't know how bad it was, I should have realized, due to how many ridiculous loopholes surround even laws regarding human workers. 12 years? That's appalling. It is almost worse in a way, because it gives people a false sense of things getting better. People can't possibly know if animal welfare even exists unless they raise their own animals or know their neighbors who do.

  31. I love your channel! It's so refreshing (and sadly different) to hear an intelligent, well-researched, academic opinion on these issues. Thank you for dropping out of medical school for this! Your contributing so much to the vegan movement!

  32. I'd just LOVE to know quite exactly how you plan to feed 7 billion herbivores. Where will the farming land be? What about poor people who rely on animals to live? There is no way to completely end animal agriculture. (except maybe growing artificial meat)

  33. Emily,no axe to grind here,but whilst you say you are against animal welfare as you are for liberation, don't you think at least it is better to improve condition for animals,certainly in the food industry (don't believe in entertainment,but people aren't going to just quit eating animal) whilst people continue to eat meat?

  34. This is such an amazing channel on veganism and awakening from the animal industry. So excited to have found your channel keep up the good work 👍👍

  35. See I struggle with this. I am an aspiring Vegan. On one hand your words really resonate with me. It is also as though I am seeing everything through a whole new lens. On the other hand, I have so many questions. I just don't know if we would even be where we are today technologically without exploiting animals. Should we judge the people of the past who might have needed pelts or furs to keep warm or to eat? I mean even without eating them, we have used them for so many other things: oxen and horses for transporting goods for example. I guess it is something to be explored and I don't have to have all the answers right now.

  36. Thank you. I have considered myself both a welfarist and an abolitionist, thinking that small changes need to be made first and every step in the right direction is good, so that would ultimately lead to an end of almost all animal suffering purposely inflicted by humans. This video was very informative and opened my eyes. I don't have the time or patience for an absurdity like waiting decades for farmers to provide animals with a few inches more space. I just handed out a ton of Cowspiracy flyers today 😀
    I wonder, are you also an abolitionist regarding pets?


  38. People who agree with eating meat and factory farming call me an animal hater because I don't always want to be around the family dog all the time or I don't know if I really want a pet.

  39. I watched a featurette about a legal suit brought to court in the UnitedStates to grant 'Personhood' to Whales, Dolphins, Elephants and Primates. It is still in the courts, and has started the dialogue. It is some hope.

  40. I realized with dread the other day that we have so distorted the Animals grown as Agriculture that I have no idea what/where it is these animals do in their natural environment. Reading Agricultural Laws in the US, slaughter in particular, the Monitoring of Compliance towards these laws require funds for training, placing and maintaining. It is as frightening to me as the barbaric laws themselves. As Dombower once said, once one becomes Vegan it is Alice in Wonderland- as your journey takes you deeper and deeper into the hole.. My journey of awareness started in the 70s with the 'Silent Spring' by Rachel Carlson. I am still only peering thru cloudy lenses; the truth is continually clouded and veiled, counting on the implant of denial and complacency. Thank You for what you do.

  41. That's great and all, but how do you expect to achieve a world without animal suffering? Unless you kill everything with a nuclear bomb (because death is the only way to avoid all suffering), that's just not possible. Compromise tends to be the better option compared to making everyone fight against you and achieving nothing.
    Vegans with such unrealistic goals are the reason many people turn off their brains the moment the word veganism is mentioned, making it utterly impossible to educate them at all.

  42. You are a wonderful person! I couldn't agree with you more. Animals are the most abused creatures on the planet, with livestock having the worst of the worst treatment. Humans have this psychopathic view that animals are on this planet strictly for human use and so humans can do with them as they see fit. This couldn't be farther from the truth. Animals can feel happy, content, bond to others and display emotions. This means they also fear, feel pain, depression and unhappiness. We treat animals on a level or worse than the Holocaust, which was horrendous. So how can we subject animals to this same treatment, even creating profitable industries based on this horrendous treatment.

  43. Thank you for your enlightening video…breaks my heart how animals still suffer at the hands of humans. 😥

  44. Hello, i have a question for you. Not sure if you have made a video yet, but what are your views on wildlife conservation, especially the culling of elephants in southern Africa. Are animal rights organizations funding for alternative ways to reduce elephant populations?

  45. Animal welfare seems more defensible than animal "rights". If animals have rights then what about the rights of wild animals who have lost their homes due to agriculture and development?

  46. I will definitely gonna take steps towards this in future. Coz i dont lure myself that everything is good and every animal will be treated well when i grow up. So i m all prepared to stand against these cruelties.

  47. just to clarify
    just because you eat vegetables doesn't mean you are a vegan
    vegetables eat decaying matter and that contains other vegetables and animal matter
    like blood, fish, scales, bonemeal, decaying worms, decaying insects
    the soil if organic contains decayed matter and it is mostly plant matter decayed insects and every other organism that lived on this planet that dies and decayed
    so you eating veg thinking you are vegan? that is pure and utter ignorance and bullshit '

    you are eating veg that consumes meat proteins through the soil
    meat eaters eat veg from the animals that consume the veg
    veg eaters eat meat from the meat consumed by the veg

    so where does it start and where does it end?

    vegans are not vegans

    you are basically lying to yourself and ignorance is a disease

  48. I admire the abolitionist stance and their moral clarity, but I feel that they look at what they wish were true before what is, in fact, currently true. The main argument presented is that it promotes "continued exploitation minus the guilt" and some people go as far as saying that "welfarism" is even harmful to animals for this reason. The more mild and common argument is that there's only so much resources to go around, so you should focus on what's more effective rather than what's less effective.

    People who buy "cruelty free" products are a small minority who are somewhat aware about the issues, AND give a shit. Regular- read- 95%+ people routinely buy the "maximum cruelty, lowest cost eggs." In fact, if it were possible to be even more cruel to reduce the costs (I dunno, have prison inmates who are never getting out torture animals before butchering in lieu of pay), the public would buy it. If we lived in a world where the biggest problem was "people who were educated about the issues, deeply cared, but had the wrong tactics or the wrong ethical framework" then by all means, spend time calling out other activists. We don't live in this world. Vegans are 0.5-3%? Activist vegans are 3% of that? Surely the focus has to fall on the other 95% to be effective. Even though it's reviled by the more puritanical vegans, I'm absolutely certain that some program like "Meatless Mondays" or "Challenge 22" that target regular people and get them started on thinking about the issues has helped countless more animals than all of the bible-thumping quibbling between the hardcore vegans over the theoretical fringes.

  49. See, I think the way we kill animals is wrong but I'm not so sure about eating them. This isn't because I think our lives are valued more than them (even though we are also animals but for the sake of differentiation I'll call them animals and us humans). My problem is that just because the animals don't have our intelligence or forms of communication, doesn't means that they are lesser. They are living things.

    But similarly, plants are living things. And some creature boarder the plant and animal life. Where do we draw the line? How do we know plants can't feel their own death; their pain; their joy when they get fed with water and the sun's rays. Why are they lesser than animals?

    For that reason, I think (but I'm still not convinced completely) that eating animals maybe okay because eating plants is okay
    If we don't, then we all die. So maybe there is something to this sometimes hollow phrase "the circle of life." Maybe we must eat other living things to continue the cycle of inevitable death.

    But when is it too much? When have humans dominated more and forget to respect the things they eat, the things that ultimately give us life.

    I'm may not know what I'm talking about, but at least I can write this all out. I hope this can help the conversation. At the very least, it's helped me put some stuff out there

  50. I really appreciate your educational approach to spreading this message, and that you back up your opinions with legitimate facts. I wish more people stated their case as calmly and educationally as you do. Keep up the good work. Although I do consider myself a welfarist when it pertains to most situations in which animals are kept in human care, I do agree that the egg, meat, and dairy industries and laws applied to them are hypocritical when it comes to their approach to an animal’s well-being.

  51. this title is, unfortunately, misleading, and could put off people watching who really are very interested in helping and liberating animals. I was one of those.

  52. This is my first Bite Size Vegan video & all I can say is wow! Your knowledge & articulation of this subject is extremely impressive. You are my new inspiration for my personal growth & activism for the animals. I’m looking forward to watching your other videos! Thank you for all you do!

  53. So glad that you admit that you want animals extinct and help aid in banning humans from owning pets. PETA Moron.

  54. Commenting AS GVL Micro-Volunteer Genesis Network Advocacy System: Great informative Video as always Emily. The Advocate to watch. See GVL New additions. We Love You!

  55. i think you could have pointed out the main theoretical difference in the way Gary L. Francione does: that welfare focuses on the treatment of animals (humane, better, more space blah blah) while animal rights foucses on the use of animals – so all use is exploatation and so we fight against any kind of usage of animals, despite of how they are being treated.
    Nice video and thank you 🙂

  56. I don’t agree when I say “poor chicken 🐓” to my mum when she’s doing something with chicken meat (for herself and/or someone else/others, I’m pretty much vegan 🌱 ) and she says “I’m sure he had a good life though.” Even if the chicken did have a good life, it still isn’t acceptable to kill them unnecessarily. Would you say that it is acceptable to kill a dog 🐶 or cat 🐱 if they had a good life and you did it “humanely”? In fact, I watched an animal rights video and they said it about it being the “humanely raised”, “free range” animals that were the most freaked out at the slaughterhouse, because they weren’t used to those sorts of conditions…

  57. If the regulation is not good enough or is not enforced, do something to change this! What kind of a ridiculous excuse is that? So we cannot count on law now but we will be able to count on it when it comes to banning the entire animal agriculture, not just its cruel practices? Mhm…sounds legit to me.

  58. So because the law is not good enough and its enforcement is not good enough, there is no reason to fight for better laws and better enforcement? This is seriously the most retarded argument ever. If only vegans actually united and put their force into actually making animals' life better..if only. Instead you accept being brainwashed that it makes no sense to improve conditions because it makes the total abolishment harder, it makes it less convincing to people to choose veganism. Well, guess what, most people's reason to choose veganism are the atrocious conditions animals endure anyway. So you choose these conditions as your main argument for veganism and at the same time refuse to do sth to change them. It's called hypocrisy. And it's absolutely disgusting.

  59. Getting people to care MORE, when they now are unwilling to care so much that they'd actually go vegan must certainly be better for the animals in the long run.

    Better conditions for animals also means that it's more expensive for the industry to keep them, and as the demand for better standards regularly increases, so will it eventually become completely unprofitable.

    Now, I understand completely that for the animals right now, "Welfarism" isn't doing them any favours, and of course I WANT for them all to be saved immediately. But this is not within my power. All I can do is to live vegan myself, and try my best to inspire and convince others to do the same.

    Just what else do you suggest we do? Do we simply not accept that this isn't enough? What will change then? Isn't this already the result of our very best efforts?

    I think most of us are already trying to make people view animals as sentient, thinking beings, and that in fact no exploitation of them is ok. This also includes vegans for "Welfarism". So if you support this "Welfarism" or not – what is the actual practical difference for the animals?
    Now, I love Emily and her channel, and also this video. She is very logical, and I completely agree that Welfarism isn't enough – of course it isn't! Anything that doesn't instantly save them all isn't enough! The point is that we can only do our best.

    I just want to make it clear that in the above stated, I keep in mind that by being for the tiny developments that "Welfarism" amounts to isn't actually taking away from wanting the best for the animals, and that even though you're for it, it doesn't mean that you stop fighting for them in other ways or that you're not trying to completely challenge and change the attitude in people around animals as products.

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